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But their emails: Seven members of Trump’s team have used unofficial communication tools

hanger4 said:
I was deflecting to HRC, I corrected misstatements about HRC. At this time, there's nothing to denounce the Kushner's for. I suggest you and others wait till facts are presented as opposed to accusations.
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And this is why you just prove me correct. So you are telling me it is Kosher to use public email and public apps for official govenrment business?
 
Buzz62 said:
Ya know what...I agree.
Do it.
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The point of the post is that we know Tump won't do it.

Under a Trump run DOJ Hillary would have been in prison. If his kids are pulling the same stunts, where do you think they'd end up?

Lol, you expect too much from a supposed billionaire.



Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
HumblePi said:
The Mueller investigation is wrapping up, at least that portion that concerns Russia hacking the election. This is the end of the beginning but criminal investigations will be going out to one of several Attorney Generals in NY, D.C. and Manhattan, and it is the beginning of the end for many in Trump's orbit if not Trump himself. We'll see soon enough how much responsibility for intentional wrongdoing falls on the head of Jared Kushner for arrogantly ignoring the lessons the republicans tried to hand over to HRC for the same thing. Hillary Clinton was criticized for this and for a year and a half it hung over her. Jared was fully conscious of what the ramifications for Hillary Clinton were. Yet despite having full knowledge, he intentionally did it himself and he did it with complete arrogance and with a sense of impunity.

Here's the thing, did Hillary Clinton use her private cellphone and server with malice aforethought? Was she doing this to get around government regulations or around federal laws? Was she doing this to get around the archiving? Jared Kushner had the knowledge of what happened to Hillary Clinton, he was there at the RNC when Mike Flynn was leading the chant 'lock her up!' and he was there at nearly every rally when Trump was prompting his crazed crowd to scream at every rally because of what Hillary Clinton did. What Jared Kushner has done is far worse. The question remains how does the FBI not launch an investigation when there was clearly malice aforethought and Jared Kushner was intentionally trying to hide his communication with the Saudi Crown Prince who tortured, murdered and chopped up a Washington Post journalist. The hypocrisy of this would be stunning if it weren't for Donald Trump and because of him, we take **** like this for granted.
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*Here's the thing, did Hillary Clinton use her private cellphone and server with malice aforethought? Was she doing this to get around government regulations or around federal laws? Was she doing this to get around the archiving?*

Yes, yes and yes.

Here's the thing, did the Kushner's fail to archive ?? Did the Kushner's sent classified information via their private accounts ?? WE DON'T KNOW THAT. If they did then they should be held to account regardless of HRC being allowed to skate.
 
Hatuey said:
The point of the post is that we know Tump won't do it.

Under a Trump run DOJ Hillary would have been in prison. If his kids are pulling the same stunts, where do you think they'd end up?

Lol, you expect too much from a supposed billionaire.



Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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What I "expect" is that people who think of themselves as "intellectuals", actually exhibit intellectual and critical thought.
For instance...you don't know that "Under a Trump run DOJ Hillary would have been in prison.".
 
hanger4 said:
*Here's the thing, did Hillary Clinton use her private cellphone and server with malice aforethought? Was she doing this to get around government regulations or around federal laws? Was she doing this to get around the archiving?*

Yes, yes and yes.
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That is your OPINION and nothing more.

Here's the thing, did the Kushner's fail to archive ?? Did the Kushner's sent classified information via their private accounts ?? WE DON'T KNOW THAT. If they did then they should be held to account regardless of HRC being allowed to skate.
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We don't know if classified was aggregate due to his using public email or a public app and it is AGAINST govenrment regulation to use those for OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS. The fact you aren't calling him out on THAT shows that you are defending his obvious offense.
 
Praxas said:
And this is why you just prove me correct. So you are telling me it is Kosher to use public email and public apps for official govenrment business?
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The "I was" should have been "I wasn't" in my post you quoted. Try again.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The emails in question mishandled by Trump's administration also included classified information. Just be honest, the difference is that you're a a hyper partisan hack who applies different standards based on the R or D next to someone's name.

"But her emails!!" This was the major battle cry of conservatives for 2 straight years and now you're just going to shrug your shoulders and pretend you don't care.
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trump is proving time and time again what complete and utter assholes right winger and republican politicians are. Their hypocrisy is undeniable. They have no credibility. They are proving to be deplorables.

Guess what, nobody on the left cares about Hillary, or cares if she does go to jail. She is not in office,doesn't hold any positions.

And it proves that Fox is propaganda network, everyboyd else reporting on current member of white house that yelled about "lock them up" over emails abusing that, with reports of HIllary email. Kusher,a person who should not even have security clearance, shouldn't even be in the white house.

Christ almight, the right continue to look like complete ****heads for voting for him and defending him
 
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HumblePi said:
You're just blind and in denial. That's not helping anyone especially this country.
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No, I simply happen to know what was officially determined about Hillary, and she was not "exonerated" or "cleared of any wrongdoing," which are your contentions. Persisting in that kind of ignorance on your part doesn't "help anyone."
 
hanger4 said:
The "I was" should have been "I wasn't" in my post you quoted. Try again.
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That doesn't refute what I said. Using public email and public apps for official government business is against regulations. The fact you are still defending him over that obvious violation just proves me right.
 
HumblePi said:
But their emails: Seven members of Trump’s team have used unofficial communication tools

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/21/their-emails-seven-members-trumps-team-have-used-unofficial-communications-tools/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.7910afcfdccc

President Trump’s objections to Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server when she was secretary of state were never terribly convincing. He didn’t always seem to understand what she had done, and made claims about how she had deleted emails or wiped her server that suggested, at least, a lack of familiarity with technical details. At times, he claimed that Clinton, his Democratic presidential challenger in 2016, had tried to shield unethical activity by using a personal account. At others, he specifically criticized her for having shared classified material through her personal account.


Generally, though, Trump seemed to understand that nearly any sentence that included “Hillary’s emails” or “Hillary’s illegal server” had the same positive effect on his supporters as any other. It became a shorthand for all of the corruption he and his base saw in his rival’s candidacy. If Trump’s broad criticism was true, that the use of a private account to conduct official business is suspect — if not illegal — and represents an effort to mask illicit activity, then we have bad news for him: An awful lot of that same suspect activity is taking place in his administration.


On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and daughter Ivanka Trump, both advisers to the president, had used either personal email accounts or the messaging application WhatsApp to conduct official business, according to information from the House Oversight Committee.
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s a government employee, these people involved have been instructed to use only an official government email should be used in order to preserve information. There's no confusion about it and it's made very clear to them. Communicating with a foreign official using your personal email is exactly what they should not be doing because that's exactly the kind of information that should be captured. This is precisely what Hillary Clinton and others in the state dept were criticized for. Communications like that shouldn't be kept off a government server.

Hillary Clinton released tens of thousands of her emails so I'm looking forward to reading tens of thousands of Jared and Ivanka's emails when they release tens of thousands of them. And we can see if they're talking about recipes or climate change. Jared uses WhatsApp to communicate with foreign leaders like Mohammed bin Salman. WhatsApp is encryped so no record of these can be captured. This is a dangerous practice for the country. Remember that Jared Kushner is the one that requested a secret back channel method of communicating with the Russian Ambassador during the transition.

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Clinton also deleted 33,000 emails and only turned over the ones she wanted to. You'll be willing to apply the same standards to Trump personel?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The emails in question mishandled by Trump's administration also included classified information. Just be honest, the difference is that you're a a hyper partisan hack who applies different standards based on the R or D next to someone's name.

"But her emails!!" This was the major battle cry of conservatives for 2 straight years and now you're just going to shrug your shoulders and pretend you don't care.
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Does that mean they should be held to the same legal standard as Clinton was?
 
You know what's more important than the emails, the fact Kushner was viewed as being compromised and wasn't approved for security clearance, Trump pushed it.
The fact Trump has family members not in cabinet positions walking around the white house getting access to secret information is another thing. People who are financially benefitting from it

So as usual, the right can go F themselves
 
apdst said:
Does that mean they should be held to the same legal standard as Clinton was?
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You’re saying Hillary shouldn’t be in jail?
 
trixare4kids said:
Maybe you should just admit that you don't really know what Republicans give a **** about...
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Republicans don't even know, they change their tune with teh wind. Or what Fox news tells them to say
 
Praxas said:
That is your OPINION and nothing more.



We don't know if classified was aggregate due to his using public email or a public app and it is AGAINST govenrment regulation to use those for OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS. The fact you aren't calling him out on THAT shows that you are defending his obvious offense.
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1) It's opinion based in fact, HRC intentionally set up a private, off the gov grid email server to do State Dept business on. She knew FOIA requests would be woefully incomplete. She knew she'd be handling classified information via her private server. She knew what the Federal Records Act and Presidential Records Act required and she ignored said her entire tenure.

*We don't know if classified was aggregate due to his using public email or a public app and it is AGAINST govenrment regulation to use those for OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS.*

Exactly, we don't know. The fact that WE DON'T KNOW is exactly why I haven't call out the Kushner's.
 
Praxas said:
That doesn't refute what I said. Using public email and public apps for official government business is against regulations. The fact you are still defending him over that obvious violation just proves me right.
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*Using public email and public apps for official government business is against regulations.*

Not necessarily, if they fail to archive and sent classified information then they have a problem.
 
hanger4 said:
*Using public email and public apps for official government business is against regulations.*

Not necessarily, if they fail to archive and sent classified information then they have a problem.
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No it is not allowed period. There is no ability to encrypt email on public email or apps which is why it is against regulation to use those . Archiving has nothing to do with it, it is against government regulation period to use public email and apps for official government business.
 
hanger4 said:
1) It's opinion based in fact, HRC intentionally set up a private, off the gov grid email server to do State Dept business on. She knew FOIA requests would be woefully incomplete. She knew she'd be handling classified information via her private server. She knew what the Federal Records Act and Presidential Records Act required and she ignored said her entire tenure.

*We don't know if classified was aggregate due to his using public email or a public app and it is AGAINST govenrment regulation to use those for OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS.*

Exactly, we don't know. The fact that WE DON'T KNOW is exactly why I haven't call out the Kushner's.
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See above
 
trixare4kids said:
I cared so just stuff a sock in it.
You delude yourself into believing Republicans make light of those who are careless with classified information.
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Hilllary's emails were in the news for over 500 straight days. We've probably had 500 DP threads on the subject. Her emails were a constant source of criticism by Trump on the campaign trail and since he was elected. You remember "Lock her up!" chants, I assume. Congress has had who knows how many hearings on the emails and related. It was the subject of FBI investigations, IG investigations.

So the reason people are digging at Republicans is this has actually been known for a while, and those same Republicans, here and in Congress and in the media, do a collective, "Who cares?" when it's in the Trump administration. My goodness, Jared tried to set up a non-U.S. backchannel to the Russians. Did anyone in the GOP give a damn? No. Trump's FBI denied Jared's security clearance, Trump's Chief of Staff opposed it, Trump granted it anyway. Did anyone in the GOP care? No. Jared's OpSec communicating official business is to use a Facebook app and forward screen shots of it to somewhere in the government. Does anyone in the GOP care? No. Does any of this sound like a secure way to conduct the business of the United States? No, it's laughable. So was the point of years and years and years of BUTHEREMAILS!!! a legitimate worry about protecting/threats to national security, or was it just partisan pandering - a gotcha - and the deafening silence from GOP members of Congress about all the above and much more, and the whataboutism on this thread tell us the answer, and it was never about national security.

Let's reduce this to the evidence. How many hearings by the GOP on any of this? We don't have to guess or count because the number is ZERO. So we don't have to guess - we KNOW - the GOP "makes light of those who are careless with classified information." Just for starters, anyone who tried to set up a back channel outside U.S. to communicate with the Russians would never be allowed anywhere near classified information in any sane administration. Jared did just that and the GOP's response was......NOTHING. Did I miss something and cow-suer Nunes is joining Democrats in hauling Jared in front of Congress to explain? I don't think so.
 
HumblePi said:
We left it up to the FBI just as we'll leave it up to the FBI to find out what Jared and Ivanka have done.
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Actually, Democrats shouldn't leave it up to the FBI. It's not because the FBI can't or won't do the job because they're part of the Trump DEEP STATE but because we know the FBI looked into Jared, said, "NFW that reckless asshole should get a security clearance" and whatever they discovered was buried by Trump and Trump granted Jared a clearance above their objections. So we can't trust their investigation to 1) take place because of possible obstruction by Trump and his political appointees, and 2) can't trust the results will be made public.

So Cummings is doing his job here, and Congress should and is investigating. The question is have I missed GOP members of Congress signing onto his efforts? I'd love to find out I have.
 
Strangely i've never heard anyone on the right call out Bush 2 for the 22 million emails they sent on private GOP supplied servers instead of official government servers that automatically archived all the emails. I wonder why?
 
Unsurprising the silence from the right on this.

Lock them all the f up.
 
hanger4 said:
Right now you all accusations and no evidence. Did the Kushner's sent classified information via these private accounts ?? Did the Kushner's fail to archive as required ?? So NO, at this time, the Kushner's supposed sins and HRC's documented sins are uncomparable.
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That's exactly the point and the problem. The only assurance we have of what Jared did or didn't send over a Facebook app is what he decided to screenshot :)shock::shock::shock:) and forward to somewhere in the government. The whole point of using the Facebook app is because they're encrypted, and relying on the sender (Jared) to screenshot :)shock: !!!!) the classified stuff so we can catch him is just completely bonkers.
 
hanger4 said:
HRC sent and received a 7 email chain classified as TS-SAP.

Who said Jared sent classified information via his private account, othe than you ??
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Great, then I'm sure you'll show me where the GOP members of Congress are jumping on board with Cummings request to haul his spoiled ass in front of Congress, subpoena all his phone records, subpoena Facebook for WhatsApp records, etc. so we can know. Right?
 
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