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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    Did you know that "A __[fill in the blank]__ is a symbol of __[fill in the blank]__ because that is what people think it is." is exactly what I said?

    That means that, if I want to use a peanut butter and jelly sandwich as a "symbol of freedom" and if I can convince enough people to think that that peanut butter and jelly sandwich "represents freedom" then that peanut butter and jelly sandwich BECOMES a "symbol of freedom".

    PS - The flag of the United States of America has many uses OTHER THAN "as a symbol of freedom", please look up what they are. You can probably start your research at what could well be the largest display of American flags in your area - a used car lot.
    Okay.... so... when people question you about why you are using peanut butter sandwhich as a "symbol of freedom"...your response is... "well its because I say it is.. and I can get you to agree then it is?"..

    Yeah... somehow.. I bet the logic of you using peanut butter and Jelly sandwich as a "symbol of freedom"..is going to run into snags. Especially when you start protesting people eating your symbol of freedom etc.

    Are you seeing just to what extraordinary lengths of illogical reasoning you are going through here to try and support your premise?

    Come on man.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    In other news, the alleged hero who picked up a discarded gun and used it to stop the shooter from killing more people is actually a criminal, as self-defense is not a valid reason to use gun in NZ.

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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Okay.... so... when people question you about why you are using peanut butter sandwhich as a "symbol of freedom"...your response is... "well its because I say it is.. and I can get you to agree then it is?"..

    Yeah... somehow.. I bet the logic of you using peanut butter and Jelly sandwich as a "symbol of freedom"..is going to run into snags. Especially when you start protesting people eating your symbol of freedom etc.

    Are you seeing just to what extraordinary lengths of illogical reasoning you are going through here to try and support your premise?

    Come on man.
    Since you do not seem to understand that what makes a "symbol" into a "symbol" is the fact that people THINK of it as a "symbol", all I can fall back on is "I can EXPLAIN IT TO you, but I cannot UNDERSTAND IT FOR you." and wish you a happy millennium.

    Remember, at one time some people saw


    as a symbol of THEIR freedom.
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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    If guns don't equal violence.. then how can they be a symbol of violence?
    Because guns are not a cause for violence they are a tool used by the violent.

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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Ummm… you have to explain this to me... If you don't think that banning those guns is going to stop crime or prevent this from happening etc.

    Why would you be upset that pro gun groups stalled and run interference to prevent a ban that won't do anything?
    But the ban did do something. Not that a country like yours bred for violence would understand. And upsetting the pro gun group is a questionable statement. Your actually looking at a handful of people who are incapable of giving an intelligent reason as to why they should have sucha gun.

    You and others here are making the mistake of assuming nz has the same cultural outlook about guns that america has.

    We do not have a pro gun group as such. We have a few fanatics who blog about their rights with guns. They are not a powerful voice in nz as they are in america.

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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    Since you do not seem to understand that what makes a "symbol" into a "symbol" is the fact that people THINK of it as a "symbol", all I can fall back on is "I can EXPLAIN IT TO you, but I cannot UNDERSTAND IT FOR you." and wish you a happy millennium.

    Remember, at one time some people saw


    as a symbol of THEIR freedom.

    Dude.. flags are symbols. Thats what they are designed for... you are the one now saying peanut butter and jelly sandwiches make the same symbol of freedom.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    Because guns are not a cause for violence they are a tool used by the violent.
    Just as cars are used by the violent.; ropes, knives, gasoline, fertilizer, cell phones, pressure cookers, baseball bats, tire irons, even sporks...See how foolish you are?
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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    But the ban did do something. .
    Well then please explain to me exactly what this ban did to prevent violence from happening.

    Oh and as far as a handful of people incapable of giving an intelligent reason as to why they should have such a gun... well.. based on that.. you could ban just about anything. Why does anyone need a car that go go above the speed limit,, a motorcycle... a bicycle. why does one need alcohol for drinking.. or tobacco for that matter... the list of things that aren;t necessary for human survival is quite large.

    Nope.. sorry but the folks that are incapable of giving an intelligent answer are... well folks like yourself... who cannot give an intelligent reason as to why taking away the property of law abiding citizens.. that have done nothing wrong... makes sense.

    You even admit that it won;t stop violence.. it won;t stop even this type of shooting happen again.. you already admit that.

    And yet.. its supposed to be some "symbol".... well.. After all the answers that you have given... I guess you have convinced me that New Zealanders banning the property of law abiding citizens is a symbol..

    Honestly.. its a symbol of the stupidity of NZ.
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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Dude.. flags are symbols. Thats what they are designed for...
    Pretty close to true.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    you are the one now saying peanut butter and jelly sandwiches make the same symbol of freedom.
    Only to those who are functionally illiterate (or deliberately distorting what I actually did say).

    IF you can convince people that a peanut butter and jelly sandwich "stands for freedom" THEN a peanut butter and jelly sandwich BECOMES a "symbol of freedom".

    IF you can convince people that the flag of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea "stands for freedom", THEN the flag of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea BECOMES a "symbol of freedom".

    IF you can convince people that the flag of the United States of America "stands for a heavy-handed regime that has no respect for anyone outside of the United States of America and has a history of supporting crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators as long as those crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators will do whatever they are told to do in order to further the financial interests of American companies" THEN the flag of the United States of America BECOMES a "__[fill in the blank]__ of a heavy-handed regime that has no respect for anyone outside of the United States of America and has a history of supporting crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators as long as those crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators will do whatever they are told to do in order to further the financial interests of American companies".

    IF you can convince people that a peanut butter and jelly sandwich "no longer stands for freedom" THEN a peanut butter and jelly sandwich IS NO LONGER a "symbol of freedom".

    IF you can convince people that the flag of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea "no longer stands for freedom", THEN the flag of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea IS NO LONGER a "symbol of freedom".

    IF you can convince people that the flag of the United States of America "NO LONGER stands for a heavy-handed regime that has no respect for anyone outside of the United States of America and has a history of supporting crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators as long as those crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators will do whatever they are told to do in order to further the financial interests of American companies" THEN the flag of the United States of America IS NO LONGER a "__[fill in the blank]__ of a heavy-handed regime that has no respect for anyone outside of the United States of America and has a history of supporting crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators as long as those crass, venal, murderous, rapacious thugs and dictators will do whatever they are told to do in order to further the financial interests of American companies".

    Obviously you do not quite understand what a "symbol" is.
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    Re: violent video games should be banned.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    Well then please explain to me exactly what this ban did to prevent violence from happening.
    The change in the laws of New Zealand "decreased the social normalization of violence" by stressing that the people of New Zealand did NOT see mindless violence motivated by bigotry as something that they were prepared to tolerate in their society - and did so by concrete actions rather than empty platitudes.

    If you think that the knowledge that you will be regarded as some sort of "moral leper" for indulging in acts of mindless violence (rather than becoming an instant "cult hero") doesn't have any effect whatsoever on how people act, then you are sadly mistaken.

    PS - The actions of the New Zealand government do not make sense to anyone who values inanimate objects over human lives.
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