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New Zealand to Ban All Semiautomatic Guns, Jacinda Ardern Announces

Yes, I'm sure you will continue to throw tantrums over people having a different opinion than you. Thankfully, said tantrums are meaningless.

You are the one throwing a fit because the people of New Zealand don't share an American "value".

It is lame for you to claim anyone who doesn't buy into your fascist views "as throwing tantrums". I guess when you don't have a rational argument, you try to cover that fact with such a stupid claim. We know that NZ doesn't have our values. One of our values is the right to comment as we please. We also see anti gun statist posters braying that what NZ did was proper. That certainly gives us even more right to bash that action.
 
It is lame for you to claim anyone who doesn't buy into your fascist views "as throwing tantrums". I guess when you don't have a rational argument, you try to cover that fact with such a stupid claim. We know that NZ doesn't have our values. One of our values is the right to comment as we please. We also see anti gun statist posters braying that what NZ did was proper. That certainly gives us even more right to bash that action.

Again, New Zealand is not "fascist" and you shrieking about "fascism" is, in fact, throwing a tantrum. New Zealand is not obligated in any way, shape or form to pander to the beliefs of Americans. You screaming and shrieking does not change the facts.
 
let me be clear: if you are naive enough to allow and trust the government to have that much power over you without the threat of retaliation, you will deserve the hell you get to live in. I'll be glad to die before that.

If you think your own guns will protect you against the power of the government, you are only fooling yourself.
 
Then why would there be a need to defend against that kind of government? The problem is that those “rightful” governments give way to tyrannical ones. Happens all the time. And if you gave up your right to possess weapons under that rightful government, your grandchildren and their descendants will regret it for centuries.

This is a myth you have fallen for and are attempting to perpetuate. Your guns will mean nothing against a tyrannical government who is determined to squash you like a bug. your guns will be of no help to you and you will be squashed.
 
So you think it is proper when thousands of people buy something legally, never misuse it-and are then told they can no longer own it because of the actions of one nutcase? The good news is such idiocy cannot take place in this country.

Freedom dies with thunderous applause.
slaughter the rights of millions of people over
a couple of nut jobs is always bad policy.
 
It seems that Roberts will rule for big government and the institutional, political class every time. If he sees a compelling interest for government to have a certain power he'll likely decide that way rather than for the individual liberty focused way.

He isn't the justice i thought he would be.
 
This is a myth you have fallen for and are attempting to perpetuate. Your guns will mean nothing against a tyrannical government who is determined to squash you like a bug. your guns will be of no help to you and you will be squashed.

Well...why do you think this is a myth?
 
Again, New Zealand is not "fascist" and you shrieking about "fascism" is, in fact, throwing a tantrum. New Zealand is not obligated in any way, shape or form to pander to the beliefs of Americans. You screaming and shrieking does not change the facts.

It is you who is SHRIEKING. I agree that NZ can be as stupid as it wants. DO you even bother to attempt to comprehend what people write before howling?
 
He isn't the justice i thought he would be.

Me neither-he decided the most important thing to him was being seen as "clever" or "wise" but the leftwing legal commentators. The ACA decision was an example of that.
 
Freedom dies with thunderous applause.
slaughter the rights of millions of people over
a couple of nut jobs is always bad policy.

We have lots of lefties who absolutely don't care about the constitution as long as they can stick it to conservative gun owners.
 
If leftists actually believe in this then when can we expect them to ban alcohol and drop their fight to legalize drugs? As we both know alcohol and drugs took more lives in the time I wrote this post than in all the semi automatic rampages combined. Sure most people can handle alcohol but once in a while some drunk kills a family when he veers off the highway. To our board leftists, when is the ban happening on those?

This is not a god analogy. NZ did not ban guns in general. It banned a particular type of gun, so to use your analogy, it is more like they decided that cocaine should not be a legal drug anymore for private consumption. As for alcohol, notice that it is regulated to the point where in most states it is illegal for a 18 year old to drink while it is perfectly legal for the same person to buy an assault rifle.
 
It is you who is SHRIEKING. I agree that NZ can be as stupid as it wants. DO you even bother to attempt to comprehend what people write before howling?

New Zealand as a whole is far more intelligent than morons who accumulate small arms out of a fantasy of fighting “tyranny”, or who scream “fascism” while defending white supremacists.
 
The Kiwis do not have the same idol worship of firearms as in the United States, nor are they obligated to.

The number of Americans having tantrums over this is quite amusing.

You have the strictest gun laws in America in Chicago, and you have the biggest gun problem in the America, too.

Hmmmm.

If somebody comes into your house, what are you going to do? Call the police so they can come clean up the blood for the next family who moves in?

New Zealand does not have the cultural and social issues that America does. Not to mention a tiny fraction of the population.

America is crawling with cockroaches. Guns are necessary to keep the peace we have, or it'll be south Chicago everywhere.
 
New Zealand as a whole is far more intelligent than morons who accumulate small arms out of a fantasy of fighting “tyranny”, or who scream “fascism” while defending white supremacists.

1) are you suggesting most of us who oppose stupid gun laws that liberals propose for harassment purposes-are accumulating small arms to fight "tyranny"

2) you seem to believe that most of us who defend the second amendment are "white supremacists". Do you have any proof of this idiotic belief

3) are tyrants or storm troopers immune to rifle fire?

4) Do you believe that enacting a knee jerk law-a law that punishes thousands of innocent people, in reaction to the depraved action of one person-an action that has never really happened before, is the sign of intelligence?
 
You have the strictest gun laws in America in Chicago, and you have the biggest gun problem in the America, too.

Hmmmm.

If somebody comes into your house, what are you going to do? Call the police so they can come clean up the blood for the next family who moves in?

New Zealand does not have the cultural and social issues that America does. Not to mention a tiny fraction of the population.

America is crawling with cockroaches. Guns are necessary to keep the peace we have, or it'll be south Chicago everywhere.

It gets to the point that it seems the only way the anti gun extremists will ever understand is if they are put in a situation where a violent criminal is seeking to harm them, and they are unarmed.
 
Then apply this absurdity across the board, please.

I want legal weed. Stop telling me I can't have it, since weed kills far less people, in its entire history, than the history of firearms.
I want legal abortion. Stop telling people they can't get one.

I mean, we can go on, if you'd like.

With the exception of abortion, I am with you. I think all drugs, prostitution, polygamy, etc should be legalized.
 
You have the strictest gun laws in America in Chicago, and you have the biggest gun problem in the America, too.

Hmmmm.

If somebody comes into your house, what are you going to do? Call the police so they can come clean up the blood for the next family who moves in?

New Zealand does not have the cultural and social issues that America does. Not to mention a tiny fraction of the population.

America is crawling with cockroaches. Guns are necessary to keep the peace we have, or it'll be south Chicago everywhere.

Chicago’s gun violence is a problem, no doubt, but it has also been vastly over-exaggerated by conservative hacks.


I agree. Most of the cockroaches are thugs who like to shriek about how Muslims are “invaders” and wave flags of white supremacist regimes such as the Confederacy. Funnily enough, for all of the guns we have in this city, there ain’t a whole lot of peace.

Vigilantism has never been useful for keeping the peace, despite what Batman would have you believe. It tends to be more like the Johnson County War, where conservative big ranchers imported death squads from Texas.
 
I have already explained it in previous posts.

Well...I already responded to your point in my previous posts, but that doesn't seem to have stopped you. Anyway, the only "explanation" I see is your insistence on the greater force that a tyrannical government can bring to bear, which doesn't convey any more content than saying it's a myth that guns will help citizens in the event a tyrannical government wants to squash them. That is, there are two propositions here:

1. It's a myth that guns will help citizens in the event a tyrannical government wants to squash them
2. Tyrannical governments can bring to bear overwhelming force against citizens armed with mere semi-auto/automatic weapons

Neither of these explains the other--someone who believes 1 almost certainly believes 2, and vice versa. What you've really done, instead of explaining, is just re-stated your point. Again, I've already responded to that point, in two ways:

1. Actually, it's false, as contemporary examples show: Afganistan and Iraq. Previously, Vietnam was another good example. Guerilla warfare and asymmetric methods work.
2. In any case, if your argument works at all, it works as an argument for why private citizens ought to be much better armed than they are at present--why it ought to be legal for me to go purchase a tank or an Apache helicopter or something, and why the government ought to subsidize such purchases by private citizens.

And now let me add yet a third response:

3. Furthermore, the question of who would win a pitched battle is not the only relevant question. Pursuant to my point about guerilla warfare, the question is not just whether if we lined up private citizens on one side with their semi-auto/auto rifles, and the military with all its artillery, missiles, armor, air support, and so on, on the other, who would win. If a tyrannical government (and it's not just government. Corporations, or any powerful entity, are potential threats here) did decide to enslave citizens, it has to calculate the costs of doing so against asymmetric methods. It has to calculate how likely it is that citizens armed to a certain level might be able to capture heavier weapons. It has to calculate the odds that private citizens know the local landscape well enough to be able to harass an army repeatedly, and then melt away into the hills. And that calculation becomes a lot easier when the citizenry is unarmed, or virtually unarmed. A group of ten guys with some survival training, lots of ammo, knowledge of the local terrain, and time to prepare, stand a very good chance against a hundred infantrymen without those advantages, provided those ten guys can lay down quick pinpoint fire into enfilade positions from concealed defilade positions. You can do that with semi-auto or automatic weapons. You cannot with bolt action or single shot rifles.

In short, quite a large number of considerations play in here, and that's the whole basis for asymmetric warfare. Your chances go up if you and your buddies are armed with AR-15s with semi-auto and burst-fire options. Your chances go down if you and your buddies have to work a bolt to fire a single shot--and those two points are true regardless of how the enemy is armed.
 
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Chicago’s gun violence is a problem, no doubt, but it has also been vastly over-exaggerated by conservative hacks.


I agree. Most of the cockroaches are thugs who like to shriek about how Muslims are “invaders” and wave flags of white supremacist regimes such as the Confederacy. Funnily enough, for all of the guns we have in this city, there ain’t a whole lot of peace.

Vigilantism has never been useful for keeping the peace, despite what Batman would have you believe. It tends to be more like the Johnson County War, where conservative big ranchers imported death squads from Texas.

what absolute mendacious nonsense-unless your definition of a "thug" requires white racism. Most thugs are not white supremacists. And you apparently haven't a clue what vigilantism is-SELF DEFENSE is not a vigilante action.
 
1) are you suggesting most of us who oppose stupid gun laws that liberals propose for harassment purposes-are accumulating small arms to fight "tyranny"

2) you seem to believe that most of us who defend the second amendment are "white supremacists". Do you have any proof of this idiotic belief

3) are tyrants or storm troopers immune to rifle fire?

4) Do you believe that enacting a knee jerk law-a law that punishes thousands of innocent people, in reaction to the depraved action of one person-an action that has never really happened before, is the sign of intelligence?

1) Plenty of you lot are, and moronic conspiracy theories to that end are very popular amongst conservatives.

2) I was specifically referring to your desperate defense of white supremacist morons previously.

3) Tanks are. So are attack helicopters. Funnily enough, actual tyrants have no hesitation about using either against their people. As I had already proven, even when one is heavily armed——as in the Warsaw Uprising—- it means nothing.

4) Again, since it’s what the people of New Zealand want, that is what actually matters.
 
what absolute mendacious nonsense-unless your definition of a "thug" requires white racism. Most thugs are not white supremacists. And you apparently haven't a clue what vigilantism is-SELF DEFENSE is not a vigilante action.

Lol yeah “self defense”.

“In March 1892, the cattlemen sent agents to Texas from Cheyenne and Idaho to recruit gunmen and finally carry out their plans for exterminating the homesteaders.[1] The cattle barons have always used hired guns from Texas to take out suspected rustlers and scare away the nesters in Wyoming. One particular act of violence perpetrated by the Texans was recounted by cowboy John J. Baker, where the Texans ambushed and killed nine trappers whom they mistook for rustlers in Big Dry Creek, Wyoming.[17] They received a $450 bonus for the slaughter.

Soon, 23 gunmen from Paris, Texas and 4 cattle detectives from the WSGA were hired, as well as Wyoming dignitaries who also joined the expedition. State Senator Bob Tisdale, state water commissioner W. J. Clarke, as well as W. C. Irvine and Hubert Teshemacher, who had both been instrumental in organizing Wyoming's statehood four years earlier, also joined the band.[26][27] They were accompanied by surgeon Charles Bingham Penrose as well as Ed Towse, a reporter for the Cheyenne Sun, and a newspaper reporter for the Chicago Herald, Sam T. Clover, whose lurid first-hand accounts later appeared in eastern newspapers.[24] A total expedition of 50 men was organized which consisted of cattlemen and range detectives, as well as the 23 hired guns from Texas. To lead the expedition, the WSGA hired Frank M. Canton. Canton's gripsack was later found to contain a list of 70 county residents to be either shot or hanged, and a contract to pay the Texans $5 a day plus a bonus of $50 for every rustler, real or alleged, they killed.[28] The group became known as "The Invaders", or alternately, "Wolcott's Regulators".[7][29]”
 
Well...I already responded to your point in my previous posts, but that doesn't seem to have stopped you. Anyway, the only "explanation" I see is your insistence on the greater force that a tyrannical government can bring to bear, which doesn't convey any more content than saying it's a myth that guns will help citizens in the event a tyrannical government wants to squash them. That is, there are two propositions here:

1. It's a myth that guns will help citizens in the event a tyrannical government wants to squash them
2. Tyrannical governments can bring to bear overwhelming force against citizens armed with mere semi-auto/automatic weapons

Neither of these explains the other--someone who believes 1 almost certainly believes 2, and vice versa. What you've really done, instead of explaining, is just re-stated your point. Again, I've already responded to that point, in two ways:

1. Actually, it's false, as contemporary examples show: Afganistan and Iraq. Previously, Vietnam was another good example. Guerilla warfare and asymmetric methods work.
2. In any case, if your argument works at all, it works as an argument for why private citizens ought to be much better armed than they are at present--why it ought to be legal for me to go purchase a tank or an Apache helicopter or something, and why the government ought to subsidize such purchases by private citizens.


And now let me add yet a third response:

3. Furthermore, the question of who would win a pitched battle is not the only relevant question. Pursuant to my point about guerilla warfare, the question is not just whether if we lined up private citizens on one side with their semi-auto/auto rifles, and the military with all its artillery, missiles, armor, air support, and so on, on the other, who would win. If a tyrannical government (and it's not just government. Corporations, or any powerful entity, are potential threats here) did decide to enslave citizens, it has to calculate the costs of doing so against asymmetric methods. It has to calculate how likely it is that citizens armed to a certain level might be able to capture heavier weapons. It has to calculate the odds that private citizens know the local landscape well enough to be able to harass an army repeatedly, and then melt away into the hills. And that calculation becomes a lot easier when the citizenry is unarmed, or virtually unarmed. A group of ten guys with some survival training, lots of ammo, knowledge of the local terrain, and time to prepare, stand a very good chance against a hundred infantrymen without those advantages, provided those ten guys can lay down quick pinpoint fire into enfilade positions from concealed defilade positions. You can do that with semi-auto or automatic weapons. You cannot with bolt action or single shot rifles.

In short, quite a large number of considerations play in here, and that's the whole basis for asymmetric warfare. Your chances go up if you and your buddies are armed with AR-15s with semi-auto and burst-fire options. Your chances go down if you and your buddies have to work a bolt to fire a single shot--and those two points are true regardless of how the enemy is armed.

This is not Viet Nam.

This is not Iraq.

This is not Afghanistan.

I live in the United States of America. What about you?

In the USA, there are lots and lots of ways the government can squash you like a bug if they decide to. Your little stash of private guns will mean little in stopping that. It is a myth, a fiction, a belief that you cling to in order to make yourself feel better about your political choices.

There will be no "pitched battle".

You have no buddies. You have no chances. There are no odds.

You are willfully deceiving both yourself and others with this myth.
 
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This is not Viet Nam.

This is not Iraq.

This is not Afghanistan.

I live in the United States of America. What about you?

In the USA, there are lots and lots of ways the government can squash you like a bug if they decide to. Your little stash of private guns will mean little in stopping that. It is a myth, a fiction, a belief that you cling to in order to make yourself feel better about your political choices.

There will be no "pitched battle".

You have no buddies. You have no chances. There are no odds.

You are willfully deceiving both yourself and others with this myth.

All you're doing is repeating the same claim over and over, without any attempt to engage my points.
 
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