Shifting hopes as Republicans and Democrats await Mueller

Captain America said:

Wow. Tell us how you really feel. :lamo

If I had made that post, I'd be getting too many demerit points to count! :shock:

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when your DP message box starts lighting up.

Best of luck.

But, for future reference, should you find yourself befuddled as to why people like yourself are so often villified and insulted, I highly encourage you to refer back to the post you made in the above quote box.

But I feel ya. I can assure you the anger, frustration, impatience, and all the other negative verbiage you so eleguently shared with the class, is equally proportionate towards you, and your kind, from your declared enemies.

To me, that problem is bigger than any wall, any political party, or any other issue facing America today.

We are all so divided, that not only would be not piss up each others ass if our guts were on fire, we most likely would volunteer to light the match.

Back during the cold war, we were indoctrinated to believe the commies would defeat America from within. We should have listened.

We should have learned the lesson of the Trojan Horse too. Coulda, woulda, shouda.... <sigh>

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Even ones wearing faux super hero costumes right Cap? Should I highlight your past part in the division?

BTW, whatever I've got, or don't have coming my way isn't up to you...And I really don't care what you, or anyone else thinks of it...As far as I am concerned you can take it to heart or not I don't care....Should I find myself on break would just confirm some of my thoughts on that too...It's a message board dude...not Real Life...

Most of the beta males in here that spew some of the most vile trash talk would never say that to my face, that may or may not include you...I don't care...But, right now, **** the eggshells.

j-mac said:

Even ones wearing faux super hero costumes right Cap? Should I highlight your past part in the division?

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Hey! The costume is real!

(But I did get the shield on eBay.)

I believe my post history, as is everyone else's, is easly available to the public on my post history link.

I'm certain they reveal a past history of bitch-slapping those who needed bitch-slapped.

I have certainly gotten my fair share of demerit points in my past 13 years and over 20k posts here. And, to the mod's credit, I freely admit they were well deserved.

j-mac said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah....34 people....:roll: How many of these 34 were American's that will actually see a court room in the US? How many of those that will or have were convicted for "collusion"?

Congratulations, you have a two year **** show, that ripped the country apart, and cost millions to find NOTHING on the original charge that many like yourself just knew was going to be found....And you support that circus?

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The purpose behind the indictment of the Russian hackers wasn't that they would see the inside of a courtroom. By indicting them, Mueller was outing an ongoing Russian GRU operation that was being carried out to undermine our Democracy. In other words, it was a counterintelligence operation. But Trump supporters have so taken it upon themselves to protect Donald Trump at all costs, they were too blinded to see that Mueller was actually just doing his job and protecting the country.

Captain America said:

Hey! The costume is real!

(But I did get the shield on eBay.)

I believe my post history, as is everyone else's, available to the public.

I'm certain they reveal a past history of bitch-slapping those who needed bitch-slapped.

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Yeah....Or put another way flaming another member against the rules.

Cardinal said:

The purpose behind the indictment of the Russian hackers wasn't that they would see the inside of a courtroom. By indicting them, Mueller was outing an ongoing Russian GRU operation that was being carried out to undermine our Democracy. In other words, it was a counterintelligence operation. But Trump supporters have so taken it upon themselves to protect Donald Trump at all costs, they were too blinded to see that Mueller was actually just doing his job and protecting the country.

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Yeah, take a look back...The timing of those announcements was rather curious....

j-mac said:

Blah, blah, blah Jet...No one believes you people anymore....

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You don’t.

You’re a conspiracy theorist partisan hack, you hardly speak for everyone.

So full of it....This sort of statement only applies to Trump in your mind, and your posting history for the past two years shows just that.

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Untrue, during the Obama years there were plenty of allegations of wrongdoing and I always said if there was something to them, they should be investigated, recently even though I voted for his party years ago, with Trudeau...

I don’t do lip service to holding the powerful accountable, I actually believe in it.

Thank God I'm not sipping my coffee, I'd have spit it out....

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Shame you didn’t, you could have ruined your keyboard and we would have been temporarily spared from this fantastic display of stupidity you are putting on for us.

You have a long track record of attacking Trump supporters as dupes, dishonest, stupid, and any other vile thing

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Don’t know about all that, but many Trump supporters have been incredibly stupid and dishonest for sure and have excused many things he’s said and done that are inexcusable and that flows from the fact that they support a man who is stupid, vile and dishonest.

you could utter about your fellow American

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You’ve known me since WS and you think I’m American, Jesus... nothing gets passed you does it mate.

just because they don't believe like you that Trump should be removed and jailed

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Find for me, any quote where I’ve stated this, it doesn’t exist.

I think Trump is totally unfit to hold such office, he is an abhorrent individual without a moral fibre in his being, there is a thing I have tacitly supported here and there that he has done, but never, not once have I yet called for his removal from Office, if he had dismissed Mueller or the Mueller report had shown significant wrongdoing worthy of impeachment, that would have been the threshold, but we do not know this to be the case at this time.

and now Muller is failing you so what do you do? Come in here and try to say that you never said some of crap you've said in here....

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We have no idea what Muellers report will say one way or another, you are being premature.

How many years have we known each other in boards like these Jet? 15 years? lol...Yeah, not going to fly.

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Yes and yet you seem to have no idea that I wasn’t even American, nor what my positions really were.

Maybe at one time I would have given your statements the benefit of the doubt, not any more....You have shown that your only reason for being in here seems to be to bait, and flame other posters that don't agree with you...(spits) That's what I think of that.

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You have been shown here to be either ignorant or completely dishonest about who I am and what I think... you’ve always been a dishonest partisan hack for all the years I’ve known you and you will continue to be.

j-mac said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah....34 people....:roll: How many of these 34 were American's that will actually see a court room in the US? How many of those that will or have were convicted for "collusion"?

Congratulations, you have a two year **** show, that ripped the country apart, and cost millions to find NOTHING on the original charge that many like yourself just knew was going to be found....And you support that circus?

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Were you bitching about the Benghazi investigation too? That took a couple of years and cost millions to find NOTHING on the original charge as well. And how many indictments came out of that one?

lol

j-mac said:

Yeah, take a look back...The timing of those announcements was rather curious....

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I'm sure that if one's sole prerogative was to protect Donald Trump at all costs, then one could see some conspiracy in the timing of it (I don't actually know what you're talking about, btw). But if one were to see it for what it was...a counterintelligence investigation to end an ongoing GRU operation...then no conspiracy theory is required.

Jetboogieman said:

Most people just want the truth.

Whatever it may be.

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No, seems you're mistaken about that, in my impression the #nevertrumpers, #resist and assorted "anti-fascists" are the largest group, they certainly don't want the truth if this is that Trump never colluded with Russia. We will have to wait for the report and then watch the reaction, I expect there will be an amazing number of people unwilling to accept Mueller's conclusions, that he will be denounced for not producing evidence of Trump's collusion, it will be claimed he colluded with Trump to conceal the truth. This is what I expect, it would be pleasantly surprising if everyone saw the report, evaluated Mueller's conclusions and then realized how much speculation, inuendo, and outright falsity sustained a very exaggerated and wholly unsubstantiated claim.

It is impossible for Democrats, the #nevertrumpers, #resist and assorted "anti-fascists" to accept a conclusion there never was any collusion with Russia to defeat Hillary, because that would mean she lost for some other reason, and that other reason is unacceptable to them.

Plus Ultra said:

No, seems you're mistaken about that, in my impression the #nevertrumpers, #resist and assorted "anti-fascists" are the largest group, they certainly don't want the truth if this is that Trump never colluded with Russia. We will have to wait for the report and then watch the reaction, I expect there will be an amazing number of people unwilling to accept Mueller's conclusions, that he will be denounced for not producing evidence of Trump's collusion, it will be claimed he colluded with Trump to conceal the truth. This is what I expect, it would be pleasantly surprising if everyone saw the report, evaluated Mueller's conclusions and then realized how much speculation, inuendo, and outright falsity sustained a very exaggerated and wholly unsubstantiated claim.

It is impossible for Democrats, the #nevertrumpers, #resist and assorted "anti-fascists" to accept a conclusion there never was any collusion with Russia to defeat Hillary, because that would mean she lost for some other reason, and that other reason is unacceptable to them.

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I was 100% willing to accept Mueller's report in totum...even if it gave Trump a clean bill of health...before Rosenstein was replaced by two toadies in a row. Now the release of that report is suspect.

However, that doesn't mean it's impossible to regain my trust. If the full, unredacted report were to be shown to a closed door bipartisan committee and the Democrats on that committee agreed that only legitimate classified information had been redacted, I would trust the report again.

On a separate note, I think it's kind of funny that we're all waiting on Mueller to see if he concludes impeachable offenses while Trump shows himself to be unfit for office every day.

Cardinal said:

I think it's kind of funny that we're all waiting on Mueller to see if he concludes impeachable offenses while Trump shows himself to be unfit for office every day.

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And I think it is very unlikely anyone who every day finds Trump "to be unfit for office", would accept any report from Mueller indicating otherwise. You, any Democrat and certainly the #nevertrumpers, #resist and assorted "anti-fascists" are convinced Trump is unfit for office no matter what Mueller says.

Plus Ultra said:

And I think it is very unlikely anyone who every day finds Trump "to be unfit for office", would accept any report from Mueller indicating otherwise. You, any Democrat and certainly the #nevertrumpers, #resist and assorted "anti-fascists" are convinced Trump is unfit for office no matter what Mueller says.

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Ah, then allow me to repost the part of my post you oddly chose to delete:

I was 100% willing to accept Mueller's report in totum...even if it gave Trump a clean bill of health...before Rosenstein was replaced by two toadies in a row. Now the release of that report is suspect.

However, that doesn't mean it's impossible to regain my trust. If the full, unredacted report were to be shown to a closed door bipartisan committee and the Democrats on that committee agreed that only legitimate classified information had been redacted, I would trust the report again.

tRump said today that he’d like to see the jnredacted report released.

“So we'll see what the report says. Let's see if it's fair.” - by which we all decode tRumpspeak to mean ‘let’s see if it documents my crimes.’

Thelion said:

tRump said today that he’d like to see the jnredacted report released.

“So we'll see what the report says. Let's see if it's fair.” - by which we all decode tRumpspeak to mean ‘let’s see if it documents my crimes.’

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Well, we know for certain, that one week before the election, he used personal funds to pay Hush Money to a porn star and a tabloid. The week before the election. Anybody who says this is not campaign-related financing, is either hopelessly ignorant or the most biased of the biased.

Captain America said:

Well, I'm thinking that anything in the report detrimental to Trump Corp., will be redacted anyways so what's the point?

We probably won't ever find out the true depths this P.O.S. of a POTUS has ventured.

And certainly not before 2020. By then he will most likely have already been voted out.

I think the dem's will play it smart just letting sleeping dogs lie until the next election is behind us. It truly is not worth the trouble, all things considered, in the long run.

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Where have you been, have you not heard Adam Scheff lately, he doesn't care what Mueller's report says he's going after Trump.

Adam Schiff is going after Donald Trump’s money
Adam Schiff is going after Donald Trump's money - Palmer Report

The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) will be investigating the dark Trump secrets that answer why the president is carrying out pro-Russia policies.
Adam Schiff Terrifies Trump By Going After His Darkest Russian Secrets

Schiff is chair of the House Intelligence Committee and was the committee’s ranking member when the security conference in Colorado took place. Schiff said Wednesday he has a broad plan to investigate Trump, including whether foreign actors have leverage over the president, his family or associates.
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People who already know the Trump is a shyster, already know. Those who don't will never be convinced no matter what.

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And the nonbeliever is Adam Schiff

j-mac said:

So, here it is...All official like....As Pelosi shift to saying things like "he's not worth it" is pure defeat from the drooling hatred that just months ago Democrats just knew that Sir Muller was to ride in on a white horse to smite the monster Trump.....lol...

Choke on it libs.

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The Problem Is: trump is still à horses ASS, and most Americans know it, hard to get over that Fact........

Cardinal said:

Republicans universally hated Mueller until November, 2018.

Gee, what happened in November, 2018?

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Actually can I clarify,

I personally didnt hate Mueller, and I dont know if many actually "hate Mueller either" (in all honestly what has Mueller actually done wrong)


What they hated was the ENACTMENT of a Special council with a broad scope. The Document published by Rosenstien was very direct with its intent to investigate "RUSSIA's" interference.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download


"APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS "

But add a subtext line under which was SO BROAD that makes no sense. Why? Because the intial is to investigate Russian Interference. NOW if there is a justifiable predicate to further the matter you extend the scope, NOT extend the SCOPE prior to the INITIAL investigation. WHAT predicate PRIOR to them even investigating the HEADLINE TITLE "Russian interference with the 2016 Presidential election." What predicate indicates links and coordination with the Trump campaign if the are Just creating a SC.

(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a)
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So Soldier or Mr Mueller I dont hate him. I hate the false narrative created to enact the special council forcing Mueller to do an investigation that has no predicate of a crime relating to a collusion, plot, ploy or agreement between Russians and Americans.

At this TIME NO American has been charged with ANY crime RELATED to the INTIAL SC order no. 3915-2017

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS

Mueller has funding till September. There's no reason to believe he's nearing the end of his investigations. There's still a lot of leads to follow and criminals to arrest.

Verax said:

Funny watching Trump defenders get so cocky thinking this is all over and Republicans are going to live happily ever after. :lol:

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I've been living happily ever after since 2016!

Casper said:

The Problem Is: trump is still à horses ASS, and most Americans know it, hard to get over that Fact........

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YES he is a horses ass, I know it...

But

1) did he coordinate, ploy, plot, pay, shake hands with a Russian/Russians to intervene in the 2016 elections - Yes or No
2) Per the Scope has any American in the Campaign, Coordinated, ploy, shake handes, pay, strong arm to intervene in the 2016 elections - Yes or NO

3) Trumps policies not his Twitter, Not his dumbass horse of an ass comments just his policy are they consistent with what he ran on? Yes or No (Cause I voted for him due to what he said he would do by policy)

4) Has any OTHER American been charged with colluding, coordinate, plotting, a ploy, hand shake etc to intervene in the 2016 elections - Yes or No?

Does anyone seriously think the report will turn up nothing at all?

I believe the best possible outcome for Trump is that despite demonstrating he and his lawyer committed fraud, despite the fact that members of the campaign did indeed collude with Russian agents to influence the election and despite the demonstrable fact that he has repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice, that there may not be a smoking gun that proves he personally directed the collusion from the start. That'll be the absolute best case scenario and it will still be devastating for him (though apparently not for his base).

All other likely outcomes are probably even worse than that.

j-mac said:

So, here it is...All official like....As Pelosi shift to saying things like "he's not worth it" is pure defeat from the drooling hatred that just months ago Democrats just knew that Sir Muller was to ride in on a white horse to smite the monster Trump.....lol...

Choke on it libs.

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Interesting interpretation. Most others take it as an astute move on her part to show temperance in recognition that the political environment for impeachment as not yet mature. It will require a more complete indictment of Trump.

Other's have interpreted Trump's current incoherent Twitter anger rant as his personal frustration rooted in his knowledge of the impending collapse of his world. The charlatan is about to be undressed on the world stage.

Verax said:

Funny watching Trump defenders get so cocky thinking this is all over and Republicans are going to live happily ever after. :lol:

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Especially at a time when Trump is completely melting down, taking his fake bone spur disability ass and having fit fights with a dead war hero.

Exactice said:

YES he is a horses ass, I know it...

But

1) did he coordinate, ploy, plot, pay, shake hands with a Russian/Russians to intervene in the 2016 elections - Yes or No
Yes
2) Per the Scope has any American in the Campaign, Coordinated, ploy, shake handes, pay, strong arm to intervene in the 2016 elections - Yes or NO
Yes,
You already know those to be, no matter..... I am
3) Trumps policies not his Twitter, Not his dumbass horse of an ass comments just his policy are they consistent with what he ran on? Yes or No (Cause I voted for him due to what he said he would do by policy)
LOL, remind me who does he want to pay for his"Wall"??? Just so ya know, there is an endless number of Lies he has said, I can continue as long as you can make excuses for him.
Have a Wonderful Evening...

4) Has any OTHER American been charged with colluding, coordinate, plotting, a ploy, hand shake etc to intervene in the 2016 elections - Yes or No?

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Best Answer yet, WE will wait till the report comes out!