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Supreme Court set for case on racial bias in jury selection

TU Curmudgeon

TU Curmudgeon

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From Associated Press

Supreme Court set for case on racial bias in jury selection
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JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Curtis Flowers has been jailed in Mississippi for 22 years, even as prosecutors couldn’t get a murder conviction against him to stick through five trials.

Three convictions were tossed out, and two other juries couldn’t reach unanimous verdicts.

This week, the Supreme Court will consider whether his conviction and death sentence in a sixth trial should stand or be overturned for a familiar reason: because prosecutors improperly kept African-Americans off the jury.

The justices on Wednesday will examine whether District Attorney Doug Evans’ history of excluding black jurors should figure in determining if Evans again crossed a line when he struck five African-Americans from the jury that most recently convicted Flowers of killing four people.

COMMENT:-

Without commenting on whether or not Mr. Flowers is actually guilty, what do you think of the pattern that his trials appear to be following?

PS - If the pattern of his trials is following the pattern it seems to be following, what do you think of the "intelligence" of the Mississippi prosecutors assigning someone who has already been found to have conducted "biased" trials in respect of Mr. Flowers to re-prosecute Mr. Flowers
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TU Curmudgeon said:
From Associated Press

Supreme Court set for case on racial bias in jury selection
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JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Curtis Flowers has been jailed in Mississippi for 22 years, even as prosecutors couldn’t get a murder conviction against him to stick through five trials.

Three convictions were tossed out, and two other juries couldn’t reach unanimous verdicts.

This week, the Supreme Court will consider whether his conviction and death sentence in a sixth trial should stand or be overturned for a familiar reason: because prosecutors improperly kept African-Americans off the jury.

The justices on Wednesday will examine whether District Attorney Doug Evans’ history of excluding black jurors should figure in determining if Evans again crossed a line when he struck five African-Americans from the jury that most recently convicted Flowers of killing four people.

COMMENT:-

Without commenting on whether or not Mr. Flowers is actually guilty, what do you think of the pattern that his trials appear to be following?

PS - If the pattern of his trials is following the pattern it seems to be following, what do you think of the "intelligence" of the Mississippi prosecutors assigning someone who has already been found to have conducted "biased" trials in respect of Mr. Flowers to re-prosecute Mr. Flowers
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Literally all of this is troubling including the that minorites with racial similarities between jurors and accused have a correlation with not guilty verdicts
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From Associated Press

Supreme Court set for case on racial bias in jury selection
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JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Curtis Flowers has been jailed in Mississippi for 22 years, even as prosecutors couldn’t get a murder conviction against him to stick through five trials.

Three convictions were tossed out, and two other juries couldn’t reach unanimous verdicts.

This week, the Supreme Court will consider whether his conviction and death sentence in a sixth trial should stand or be overturned for a familiar reason: because prosecutors improperly kept African-Americans off the jury.

The justices on Wednesday will examine whether District Attorney Doug Evans’ history of excluding black jurors should figure in determining if Evans again crossed a line when he struck five African-Americans from the jury that most recently convicted Flowers of killing four people.

COMMENT:-

Without commenting on whether or not Mr. Flowers is actually guilty, what do you think of the pattern that his trials appear to be following?

PS - If the pattern of his trials is following the pattern it seems to be following, what do you think of the "intelligence" of the Mississippi prosecutors assigning someone who has already been found to have conducted "biased" trials in respect of Mr. Flowers to re-prosecute Mr. Flowers
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I advise drink more scotch and smoke plenty of cigars.

5 trials? Good lord. The Government should get one and done. Thats it. They cant make it stick too bad.
 
Crovax said:
Literally all of this is troubling including the that minorites with racial similarities between jurors and accused have a correlation with not guilty verdicts
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And including the that "majorities" with racial DIFFERENCES between jurors and accused have a correlation with guilty verdicts?

Or do we not mention that in polite company these days?
 
5 trials? That's absolutely absurd.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I advise drink more scotch and smoke plenty of cigars.

5 trials? Good lord. The Government should get one and done. Thats it. They cant make it stick too bad.
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Set aside the "hung juries" for a moment.

If the government has ONE trial tossed for procedural improprieties, no problem with a second (provided that it is handled by a different prosecutor).

If the government has TWO trials tossed for procedural improprieties, then that should be it.

Back to "hung juries".

If the FIRST trial gets tossed because of a "hung jury", no problem with a second.

If a SECOND trial gets tossed because of a "hung jury", then that means that there simply has to be some "reasonable doubt" and further prosecution would be an abuse of process.
 
Crovax said:
Literally all of this is troubling including the that minorites with racial similarities between jurors and accused have a correlation with not guilty verdicts
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His problems are prosecutors who won't give up until they get the right jury to convict them.

Let's say all cases were carried out that way. Let's give every court prosecutor dealing with white collar crimes infinite chances at real estate tycoons and their businesses, let's give them infinite chances to go after media moguls.

Let's see how quickly some people then change their minds about their support for whatever law allowed this.



Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Set aside the "hung juries" for a moment.

If the government has ONE trial tossed for procedural improprieties, no problem with a second (provided that it is handled by a different prosecutor).

If the government has TWO trials tossed for procedural improprieties, then that should be it.

Back to "hung juries".

If the FIRST trial gets tossed because of a "hung jury", no problem with a second.

If a SECOND trial gets tossed because of a "hung jury", then that means that there simply has to be some "reasonable doubt" and further prosecution would be an abuse of process.
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One and done is better. It forces the prosecutors to be diligent.
 
The article doesn't say why he has been in jail for 22 years without a conviction?
Does that sound just as crazy to anyone as 6 trials.

I don't know if he committed this crime but he's probably a criminal now after 22 years in prison.
 
Middle_Ground said:
The article doesn't say why he has been in jail for 22 years without a conviction?
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He is being held for trial because he is a flight risk and a risk to commit other crimes if released. Besides he hasn't posted his bail yet.

Middle_Ground said:
Does that sound just as crazy to anyone as 6 trials.
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All strictly according to the law.

Middle_Ground said:
I don't know if he committed this crime but he's probably a criminal now after 22 years in prison.
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A "good" argument for lifetime incarceration for any crime in which the sentence is more than __[fill in the blank]__ years in jail?

On the other hand, the US government stands behind it wholeheartedly with respect to the people who have been incarcerated at Guantanamo - even the ones who have subsequently been cleared of all of the original "terrorism" allegations (including those who the US government has acknowledged should never have been incarcerated in the first place).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
He is being held for trial because he is a flight risk and a risk to commit other crimes if released. Besides he hasn't posted his bail yet.



All strictly according to the law.



A "good" argument for lifetime incarceration for any crime in which the sentence is more than __[fill in the blank]__ years in jail?

On the other hand, the US government stands behind it wholeheartedly with respect to the people who have been incarcerated at Guantanamo - even the ones who have subsequently been cleared of all of the original "terrorism" allegations (including those who the US government has acknowledged should never have been incarcerated in the first place).
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Our whole justice system is bat**** crazy.
 
Hatuey said:
His problems are prosecutors who won't give up until they get the right jury to convict them.

Let's say all cases were carried out that way. Let's give every court prosecutor dealing with white collar crimes infinite chances at real estate tycoons and their businesses, let's give them infinite chances to go after media moguls.

Let's see how quickly some people then change their minds about their support for whatever law allowed this.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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:allhail
 
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