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New Zealand PM says she will never utter suspect's name

TU Curmudgeon

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From United Press International

New Zealand PM says she will never utter suspect's name
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March 19 (UPI) -- New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Arden told Parliament Tuesday that she will never utter the name of the man who killed 50 people and injured 50 others during last week's shooting at two Christchurch mosques.

[Ed. "The New Zealand Nut] has been charged with one count of murder for the Friday shootings. More charges are expected to follow.

Arden told Parliament that the person behind the Friday shooting sought to achieve many goals from his act of terror including notoriety, and that is why she will never say his name, urging others to instead remember the names of those who were killed.

"You will never hear me mention his name. He is a terrorist. He is a criminal. He is an extremist but he will, when I speak, be nameless and others I implore you, speak the names of those who are lost rather than the name of the man who took them," she said. "He may have sought notoriety but here in New Zealand we will give him nothing -- not even his name."

COMMENT:-

As you might have guessed, I am in full agreement with Ms. Arden on this one.

What do YOU think?
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Why does uttering the suspects name mean anything to the events that occurred? It neither enhances or diminishes what happened.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
"You will never hear me mention his name. He is a terrorist. He is a criminal. He is an extremist but he will, when I speak, be nameless and others I implore you, speak the names of those who are lost rather than the name of the man who took them," she said. "He may have sought notoriety but here in New Zealand we will give him nothing -- not even his name."

COMMENT:-

As you might have guessed, I am in full agreement with Ms. Arden on this one.

What do YOU think?
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I don't think it was a good idea for Ms. Arden to display her ignorance to the world...

His name isn't even really important.

That asshole made sure the event would be remembered.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Why does uttering the suspects name mean anything to the events that occurred? It neither enhances or diminishes what happened.
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It isn’t just about the name, it’s about the direction discussion of the event takes. It’s a simple fact that we will relate more to something about specific individual than we would a generic group (especially one we’re not part of). If we talk about this incident from the context of the individual attacker, we will instinctively relate to him, however much we (hopefully!) wouldn’t want to. If we instead talk about the incident from the context of the victims, we will instinctively relate more to them. That is especially significant in this context where the victims are part of a group which is commonly demonised and dehumanised, something the attacker clearly sought to feed. Acknowledging them as the individual human beings they are is a simple but powerful way to counteract that kind of generalisation and the consequences of it.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Why does uttering the suspects name mean anything to the events that occurred? It neither enhances or diminishes what happened.
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Quite right, but it can "enhance or diminish" The New Zealand Nut's self image.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
I don't think it was a good idea for Ms. Arden to display her ignorance to the world...

His name isn't even really important.

That asshole made sure the event would be remembered.
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Yes, and, as far as I am concerned, I'll do everything I can to ensure that The New Zealand Nut is NOT remembered as a person.

I'd even support establishing a "standard form" along the lines of "Stupid Loser Killer #____" so that they don't get even the slight "acknowledgement" of having a name the differs from every other stupid loser killer.

As or the rest of your post, I'll give it all the attention and consideration that it deserves.
 
The shooter are weak, cowardly, and worthless human beings.

They ought to be executed for their crimes. I'd say vivisection with no anesthesia.
 
Obscurity said:
The shooter are weak, cowardly, and worthless human beings.

They ought to be executed for their crimes. I'd say vivisection with no anesthesia.
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Can't go along with that (although there is some pleasure in the thought that the courts could simply declare "Stupid Loser Killer #____" to be a "varmint" which would expose them to all the legal remedies that people have of making their property/area "varmint free").

No, simply life in jail with no prospect of parole will do.

However, I would censor all of his incoming mail to ensure that he received no "risque" pictures, proposals of marriage/sex, or laudatory comments for the rest of his life.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Can't go along with that (although there is some pleasure in the thought that the courts could simply declare "Stupid Loser Killer #____" to be a "varmint" which would expose them to all the legal remedies that people have of making their property/area "varmint free").

No, simply life in jail with no prospect of parole will do.

However, I would censor all of his incoming mail to ensure that he received no "risque" pictures, proposals of marriage/sex, or laudatory comments for the rest of his life.
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Not harsh enough. This clown walked around like he was a military man and shot civilians. He is the lowest of the low, and so are his accomplices.
 
I dont like this PM. From refusing to say the killer's name to tightening gun control laws, none of what she's doing is really amounting to anything.
 
I'll take "Who is Brenton Tarrant" for 200, Alex.
 
PoS said:
I dont like this PM. From refusing to say the killer's name to tightening gun control laws, none of what she's doing is really amounting to anything.
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Very true.

But she has to be seen as doing something.

The media, I note, are all praising her.


She is after all a politician. And politicians want to be beloved and voted for.
 
Jacinda Ardern called for the country to remember the names of the victims of the Christchurch shootings instead of the terrorist who sought notoriety through the attacks. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Good for her. I'm on the same page. I said this 4 days ago....

Serenity said:
I refuse to use that animals name. He wanted to be "famous". His every move appears to have been deliberate, calculated, and designed to grab attention.

To all of those sharing his manifesto and going out of their way to watch all of the graphic content, congratulations. He might now be in custody but your actions will ensure that he hasn't been silenced. You're giving him a platform to continue his insane rantings. You're giving him exactly what he wants. You're making sure he continues to be heard.

Think about that.
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Obscurity said:
Not harsh enough. This clown walked around like he was a military man and shot civilians. He is the lowest of the low, and so are his accomplices.
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I think that letting him know that the rest of the world:

  • despises him; and
  • laughs at him;

would be more punishment.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I think that letting him know that the rest of the world:

  • despises him; and
  • laughs at him;

would be more punishment.
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Sharing his manifesto on Fox News wasn't done by accident. His manifesto is a clarion call to the westerners who feel threatened by Islame.

At the end of the day it's a mistake to share his ideology and name and perspectives with the public at large.
 
PoS said:
I dont like this PM. From refusing to say the killer's name to tightening gun control laws, none of what she's doing is really amounting to anything.
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"Stupid Pathetic Loser Killer #19-03" wanted fame, notoriety, and adulation.

Giving it to him/her is giving him/her what he/she wanted.

As far as the "tightening gun control laws" is concerned, you are likely correct.
 
TheParser said:
Very true.

But she has to be seen as doing something.

The media, I note, are all praising her.


She is after all a politician. And politicians want to be beloved and voted for.
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Ms. Arden appears to be doing more than Mr. Trump is doing.
 
Obscurity said:
Sharing his manifesto on Fox News wasn't done by accident. His manifesto is a clarion call to the westerners who feel threatened by Islame.

At the end of the day it's a mistake to share his ideology and name and perspectives with the public at large.
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FOX News can publish whatever it wants and I am free to read, or not read, whatever of what FOX News publishes as I like.

(You might note that I do read FOX News but I do that along with 28 other media sources.)

It isn't a "mistake" to share his warped and perverted views with the public at large, but it is a "mistake" to share them as if they were EQUALLY valid and you are presenting them in a spirit of FAIRNESS.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
FOX News can publish whatever it wants and I am free to read, or not read, whatever of what FOX News publishes as I like.

(You might note that I do read FOX News but I do that along with 28 other media sources.)

It isn't a "mistake" to share his warped and perverted views with the public at large, but it is a "mistake" to share them as if they were EQUALLY valid and you are presenting them in a spirit of FAIRNESS.
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For what purpose do you think Faux News released his manifesto?
 
PoS said:
I dont like this PM. From refusing to say the killer's name to tightening gun control laws, none of what she's doing is really amounting to anything.
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I don’t even think she should have pushed the knee-jerk law changes. What exactly do you think the New Zealand Prime Minster should have done in immediate response to think attack though?
 
HonestJoe said:
I don’t even think she should have pushed the knee-jerk law changes. What exactly do you think the New Zealand Prime Minster should have done in immediate response to think attack though?
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Cracking down on white supremacists and other extremist groups, also ordering an independent inquiry as to why the security forces failed to anticipate or prepare for such an attack.
 
PoS said:
Cracking down on white supremacists and other extremist groups, also ordering an independent inquiry as to why the security forces failed to anticipate or prepare for such an attack.
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The former isn’t specific – you’d need to know what they’re already doing and exactly what other things you believe they should do. Anything else would be more knee-jerks for political show. The latter couldn’t be started until after the legal process around the attack itself has concluded and indeed, if there is anything which comes out of that process which suggests the need for any kind of inquiry, it will be recommended in the judges conclusions.
 
HonestJoe said:
The former isn’t specific – you’d need to know what they’re already doing and exactly what other things you believe they should do. Anything else would be more knee-jerks for political show. The latter couldn’t be started until after the legal process around the attack itself has concluded and indeed, if there is anything which comes out of that process which suggests the need for any kind of inquiry, it will be recommended in the judges conclusions.
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On the first part there's plenty of things you can do- infiltrate, get informants, and find out if there are more attacks coming. On the second part I wouldnt wait until the legal process is finished, that needs to be looked at immediately. It's a top down failure as well as a lack of coordination with Australian authorities it seems like.
 
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