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Bernie Sanders in the 1970s urged nationalization of most major industries

MrWonderful said:
Speaking of "allergic to facts," you are a Regressive. "Progressive" is a one-word oxymoron.
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That's so clever. Did you think of that? Must've burned out all the brain-cells coming up with it because it is such an unbelievable whopper of an insult.
 
MrWonderful said:
Tryptich? You're Tryptich?

There is a ghastly painting named after you, or perhaps before you, I know not which. You can see it somewhere on
http://WhenCrapIsArt.blogspot.com

"Art" has been made another one-word oxymoron by the Leftists who have bastardized it for decades.
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There you go again. Attacking labels and ignoring the topic. :lol:
 
danarhea said:
To me, it's more than that. Bernie is a populist, and we are already seeing the results of having a populist in office. I have no doubt that Bernie's style would not be that much different from Trump's in catering to the most radical elements of his party, by hook or by crook.
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I disagree. Bernie's populism isn't geared towards fear and hate. It's popular with people who care about policy and can think.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Bernie Sanders is a drooling moron, and a loser. He managed to lose to the worst presidential candidate in recent history. For all the whining about the DNC screwing him (why should they prop up someone who just opportunistically joined the party in order to run???), he was millions of votes behind that other moron, Hillary Clinton.
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Deeeerp!
 
jimbo said:
I never made a claim that there was a free market.
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So the "free market" is merely a mythical beast then? Where trade happens between the Loch Ness monster and Big Foot?

I agree.
 
j-mac said:
meh, just listen to the young social democratic voters of today...Meet the depressed today just had a poll where they cited that only 38% of young people are adverse to Socialism....Now you tell me, are we sliding? I think we are, and this latest push is only a continuation down the same path, and allowed to go unchecked, won't end up with more freedom, that's for sure....You can tell me all you want that the proposed programs by today's Socialist democrats aren't Socialism, but I want less government control of my life, not more.
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It's always easier to sell free stuff than to insist you pay for your own stuff. That's the popularity of socialism. What's missing is sooner later you run out of other people's money.
 
jimbo said:
It's always easier to sell free stuff than to insist you pay for your own stuff. That's the popularity of socialism. What's missing is sooner later you run out of other people's money.
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Is this how you are going to debate in here? Stealing other peoples' worn out pablums and rebranding them as your own repeatedly?
 
poweRob said:
Is this how you are going to debate in here? Stealing other peoples' worn out pablums and rebranding them as your own repeatedly?
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I take it you have nothing constructive to add?
 
j-mac said:
meh, just listen to the young social democratic voters of today...Meet the depressed today just had a poll where they cited that only 38% of young people are adverse to Socialism....Now you tell me, are we sliding? I think we are, and this latest push is only a continuation down the same path, and allowed to go unchecked, won't end up with more freedom, that's for sure....You can tell me all you want that the proposed programs by today's Socialist democrats aren't Socialism, but I want less government control of my life, not more.
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The favoritism of ideologies wavers for a variety of reasons - most of them due to their impacts on society; we've teetered back an forth with levels of government involvement. I don't see the government as the problem, but there has to be involvement from the people to keep the government in check. That's our responsibility as citizens; an area where many have become complacent. I don't see socialism or capitalism as a problem unless either systems go unchecked; we have clear examples of what can happen when either dominate. Looking at developing nations is a good way to understand the dynamic. Many people in those countries support socialism as a way of balancing unchecked capitalism; which in developing countries often leads to severe income inequality. Socialism is an answer to many because the focus is on the people who not only have little, but don't have the means to excel in their respective societies.

I think we can definitely find a balance between capitalism and socialism in this country. I'm not an advocate of government take over of industry, but do favor common sense regulation to keep those driven solely by profit from causing harm to the general population. I also think that people contributing to their own well being through the government can be beneficial. If we're paying higher taxes in order to send our kids to school tuition free, or receive basic healthcare at low cost, I would definitely be in favor of finding something that works toward that end. I've always found it weird that some feel patriotic toward the country, but don't want to invest in its people.
 
j-mac said:
Of course you would.
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Yes, of course I would. If presented the choice between Sanders and Trump, who would you expect me to vote for?
 
Hatuey said:
... you and I aren't the same type of man.

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I can only say that this type of crap from people like you should make you glad that this is a message board, and not just sitting in a pub having a beer....Might prompt you to use better manners.
 
Cardinal said:
Yes, of course I would. If presented the choice between Sanders and Trump, who would you expect me to vote for?
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Oh, far be it from me to tell you who to vote for, but isn't it interesting that for the past two years you have denigrated Trump voters for voting for him given the choice, yet you find it insulting when the same is suggested in your direction....
 
j-mac said:
Oh, far be it from me to tell you who to vote for, but isn't it interesting that for the past two years you have denigrated Trump voters for voting for him given the choice, yet you find it insulting when the same is suggested in your direction....
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Where did I "find it insulting when the same is suggested" in my direction?
 
Cardinal said:
Where did I "find it insulting when the same is suggested" in my direction?
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Right there in your response....I'm not going to play these games with you today Cardinal....
 
j-mac said:
Right there in your response....I'm not going to play these games with you today Cardinal....
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The one trying to play games was you, when all I was asking is who I could possibly be expected to vote for if presented the choice between trump and Sanders? Do you realize how bad Sanders would have to get before the choice was a difficult one?
 
Cardinal said:
The one trying to play games was you, when all I was asking is who I could possibly be expected to vote for if presented the choice between trump and Sanders? Do you realize how bad Sanders would have to get before the choice was a difficult one?
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I know that you agree with him, therefore that is logical that you would vote for him...But, asking me who you should vote for? That is the same answer I have given you when you ask me why I voted for Trump....What's the difference?
 
j-mac said:
I know that you agree with him, therefore that is logical that you would vote for him...But, asking me who you should vote for? That is the same answer I have given you when you ask me why I voted for Trump....What's the difference?
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Whether or not I agree with him completely misses the point. Let's say I don't agree with him. Socialism bad. So with that said, is that bad enough to get me to vote for Trump? Quite obviously not.

Trump was put into office to

a)achieve Conservative agendas at all costs because traditional bipartisan and Democratic norms and institutions weren't doing it quickly enough, and
b)act as an expression of hatred against those that Conservatives hate (an example of a person that Conservatives hate would be me).

So with those two things in mind, you're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than a belief about socialism that Sanders expressed forty years ago to overcome the above.
 
j-mac said:
I can only say that this type of crap from people like you should make you glad that this is a message board, and not just sitting in a pub having a beer....Might prompt you to use better manners.
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You are telling me one party can run away from 40 year old beliefs, actions and statements and the other can't. As I said, id rather be from the party running away from ideological statements by geriatric mummies, than the one defending rape because of Mary and Joseph.

We all know where you stood, homeslice.

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Hatuey said:
You are telling me one party can run away from 40 year old beliefs, actions and statements and the other can't. As I said, id rather be from the party running away from ideological statements by geriatric mummies, than the one defending rape because of Mary and Joseph.

We all know where you stood, homeslice.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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No, "homeslice" you don't know me....You only know how YOU want to characterize me....To that I say, save it...I'm not interested.
 
j-mac said:
No, "homeslice" you don't know me....You only know how YOU want to characterize me....To that I say, save it...I'm not interested.
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Tell us again that 30 year old allegations of rape don't matter but political stances do.

:)

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Hatuey said:
Tell us again that 30 year old allegations of rape don't matter but political stances do.

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Were the allegations ever proven? or is this another we must believe?
 
j-mac said:
Were the allegations ever proven? or is this another we must believe?
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Your post is based on the premise that rape allegations can't be true even though dozens of women allege the same story over and over, but a political ideology is set in stone.

Spare us all your half baked ideological elucidations. The Republican party is the party of rape justification and justified moral depravity. If you think you're somehow superior to a geriatric mummy who nobody will fault for being young and extreme you're fooling yourself.

You've justified every possible crime that the Trump administration, campaign, organization and charity have been party to. Now you want to disqualify someone because they said things you disapprove of 40 years after he said them?

Lol who are you kidding?

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Dozens of women: In the 1970s-80s-90s-00s, Trump-Moorr created the same atmosphere of sexual harassment as Harvey Weinstein.

J-mac: Lol, I need more that to believe ya.

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1970s Bernie: Nationalize!

1970's j-mac: meh.

2010s j-mac: Zomg!!!! Total socialists! Disqualified! Can't vote for em!!!

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1980s Trump: Death penalty for these dudes!(they were innocent)

2010s j-mac: lol, too long ago, irrelevant.

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That's this thread.

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Hatuey said:
Your post is based on the premise that rape allegations can't be true even though dozens of women allege the same story over and over, but a political ideology is set in stone.

Spare us all your half baked ideological elucidations. The Republican party is the party of rape justification and justified moral depravity. If you think you're somehow superior to a geriatric mummy who nobody will fault for being young and extreme you're fooling yourself.

You've justified every possible crime that the Trump administration, campaign, organization and charity have been party to. Now you want to disqualify someone because they said things you disapprove of 40 years after he said them?

Lol who are you kidding?
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I kid nobody...I am simply asking a question that you yourself would ask given the circumstance in the inverse...Have any of the allegations been proven? The answer to that is no. period......So, you want to use claims as proof that the entirety of a group of people are tainted in some fashion, but inversely, you want to dismiss the very same when it is aimed at a group you are in....That sir, is the epitome of dishonesty.
 
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