Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat

lwf said:

My friend, you are swimming in the kool-aid. This is the first post I've seen longer than a few sentences where everything that was written is provably false. I mean usually there are at least a few facts sprinkled in to lend credence to your position, but you are completely misinformed. You need to get your information from more reputable and balanced sources.

Click to expand...

Yeah that has white supremists propaganda written all over it...

Trump has a core base that's roughly about 35%-37%, that will support him no matter what. Far right wing wacko's like these white nationalist types/nazi's (same ****), make up a a portion of his core support. He's very aware of this fact.

Grand Mal said:

Don't be an ass. Racism isn't a left-wing ideology. It's a cornerstone in the conservative temple.

Click to expand...

While blacks can't sit at a Starbucks without the cops being called.

Liberals are all about black people until one sits next them.

Casca XV said:

So another propaganda graph that has no link to the incident information they are counting.

We live in a world where when Leftist reports are actually solved, Jessie Smollett end up being the 90% rule not the exception.

We live in a world where almost every crime committed by a none leftist is counted as a right wing hate crime or terrorism and the daily attacks by Antifa are ignored.

Click to expand...

Daily attacks by Antifa?

Well, if you want to count such behavior as terrorism then you have to count every fistfight by Trump's "tough guys" outside of bars as terrorism too. There is a difference between a murder and a fistfight.

You want a link for statistics about right wing terrorism?

Here is one from GAO (which is bipartisan). Ing tis two years old but it gives the brand picture





Page 4

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

Since September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. As shown in figure 2, fatalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violet extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively).

Oborosen said:

It's good to see that I can still touch that same regressive nerve. So long as it remains so damn tender.

You seem to be ignore the same trap about identity politics, that the left has made their standard over the last three years. Not to mention the acts of sexism and the extended bigotry of low expectations.
Because in the last few years we've seen the left conflate racism with nearly anything and everything it could. Being it conservatism, all the way to nationalism itself. In the meantime embracing noted racist and sexist themselves.

Sarah Jeong and Farrakhan and even George Ciccariello-Maher. The lefts protected terrorist groups like Antifa and BLM, or even just criminals in general. So long as their stances have aligned with it's own.

Click to expand...

As for the BLM, the idea that it is a terrorist organization is ludicrous. This is a result of what you have heard from trolls (including Russian trolls) posing deliberately as BLM blacks spreading divisive messages

The largest Black Lives Matter page on Facebook was a scam - Vox

Trying to to equate the whole BLM crowd based on the actions of some black terrorists who kill police officers is like trying to equate the Trump crowd based on the action of some nuts who are obviously Trump supporters.

JANFU said:

Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat - CNN Video


Not a rising threat. Except FBI and such have stated it is rising threat.

FBI considers white supremacist groups as much of a threat as Isis | The Independent

Click to expand...

It's because it's a part of his base. Not every Trump voter is a white nationalist, but every white nationalist is a Trump voter. Trump ran the most bigoted campaign since George Wallace, yet he got more Republican Primary votes than any other candidate in history, and that was despite a very crowded field. That tells you all you need to know about the Republican base today.

They he announced his candidacy and made the following statement:

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

The day Trump made that statement his candidacy for president would have been over in a non-racist party. In the majority of political parties on earth, Trump's candidacy would have been over the day he announced. Yet in the Republican base, they love him precisely because they believe he hates the same groups they hate.

pamak said:

As for the BLM, the idea that it is a terrorist organization is ludicrous. This is a result of what you have heard from trolls (including Russian trolls) posing deliberately as BLM blacks spreading divisive messages

The largest Black Lives Matter page on Facebook was a scam - Vox

Trying to to equate the whole BLM crowd based on the actions of some black terrorists who kill police officers is like trying to equate the Trump crowd based on the action of some nuts who are obviously Trump supporters.

Click to expand...

Only a racist would argue that Black Lives Matters is a terrorist organization. The fact is, the Republican Party today is basically a white evangelical party. There are more minorities in professional hockey than in the Republican Party. Now why is that? If you ask the typical Trump voter, they will argue that minorities don't vote Republican because either:

1. They like free stuff

Or.

2. They are basically too stupid to know what is good for them.

They are so damn un-self aware, that they can look at the sea white people at a Trump rally, or for that matter at the Republican National Convention, and it never occurs to them that this lack of diversity in their party might be something they are doing.

JANFU said:

Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat - CNN Video


Not a rising threat. Except FBI and such have stated it is rising threat.

FBI considers white supremacist groups as much of a threat as Isis | The Independent

Click to expand...

What do you expect? White nationalists are part of trump's base. He's always going to tacitly support them while taking every opportunity to beat down Muslim folks and immigrants. It's what keeps the current, broken GOP going these days, unfortunately.

JANFU said:

Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat - CNN Video


Not a rising threat. Except FBI and such have stated it is rising threat.

FBI considers white supremacist groups as much of a threat as Isis | The Independent

Click to expand...

Here are some other statistics from the liberal and supposedly more tolerant NY

From

https://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/crimnet/ojsa/hate-crime-in-nys-2016-annual-report.pdf

Hate Crime in New York State 2016 Annual Report


Crimes Against Persons

Within the anti-religion category, anti-Jewish bias (49) and anti-Islamic bias (29) accounted for 78 of the 83 incidents.

If one takes in consideration the relative small Muslim population in NY (2% of the NY population) he can see that Muslims in NY are actually more vulnerable personally than even religious Jews (5% of the NY population) since the crimes against Muslim persons per capita in NY is actually higher.

Here is a site with the population percentages of the different religions in NY

The Religion and Politics of New York: A State Portrait from PRRI’s American Values Atlas | PRRI

Who do you think is attacking the Muslims in NY? Is it the extremist left or the extremist right?

slick said:

The 'destruction of prosperous societies' that I am aware of those in Rhodesia, South Africa
& Venezuela were definitely not caused by what you call 'white supremacy' those prosperous societies were actually created by
white statesmen and were destroyed by an ill equipped non-white majorities who now after that damage would take back their votes if they could in these states where democracy failed.

Click to expand...

BINGO!

1. After World War II, the people in many colonies made a BIG mistake in demanding immediate independence.

2. What they got was corrupt and brutal government instead of genuine independence.

3. If their European big brothers had been allowed to tutor them for a longer period, maybe some of those countries today (like Zimbabwe) would be prosperous, peaceful, and orderly nations.

(I have a suspicion that many Hong Kongers wish that their rulers were still the British.)

Muslims have celebrated 9/11 every year down the block from citi field. When i accidentally went down the block, i was jeered. I didnt know what was up till someone told me. When i understood what was going on, i was apprehended by nyc police before i jammed myself up. Obama pardoned terrorists that murdered nyc police. That murderer lead the puerto rican day parade with city council pres viverito endorsement Portrait of NYC? Who's attacking muslims in NYC? F you.

Where was Joe Biden when the caliphate was being formed and christians being exterminated?

The obama administration abandoned the kurds we armed as the russians bombed them, abandoned the ukrainians in crimea, abandoned the iranians during the grenn revolution, Yet i hear dems say trump is a puss". YOU endorse the epitome of *****dom. Feckless wankers that have no solution to anything aside from appeasement.

Winston said:

I mean Conservatives cannot simultaneously support Trump and the Constitution. It's logically impossible. 1+1 doesn't equal 3.

Click to expand...

So it's either full support or no support?

pamak said:

As for the BLM, the idea that it is a terrorist organization is ludicrous. This is a result of what you have heard from trolls (including Russian trolls) posing deliberately as BLM blacks spreading divisive messages

The largest Black Lives Matter page on Facebook was a scam - Vox

Trying to to equate the whole BLM crowd based on the actions of some black terrorists who kill police officers is like trying to equate the Trump crowd based on the action of some nuts who are obviously Trump supporters.

Click to expand...

So the repeated beating of innocent bystanders and the multiple counts of arson by said group mean nothing?

Oborosen said:

So the repeated beating of innocent bystanders and the multiple counts of arson by said group mean nothing?

Click to expand...

Did I say this?

I said that you cannot equate the lethal behavior of some groups with the non-lethal (but still criminal behavior) of other groups! This was for ANTIFA.

For the BLM you cannot blame the whole group for the actions of individuals. You do not do this with Trump supporters and right wing extremists, right?

Also, do you know that right wing extremism has actually killed more cops than tBlack extremists?

Here is the link from the ADL

https://www.adl.org/media/12480/download

Page 21

holbritter said:

So it's either full support or no support?

Click to expand...

I think if one could admit that Trump is problematic on the Constitution, they could still support both it and Trump. I just haven't seen anyone admit as much.

Winston said:

I think if one could admit that Trump is problematic on the Constitution, they could still support both it and Trump. I just haven't seen anyone admit as much.

Click to expand...

Fair enough. I'll admit he is problematic on the Constitution. I support some things and not others. Anyone that FULLY supports everything a president does, tends to be a bit radical, imo.

pamak said:

Did I say this?

I said that you cannot equate the lethal behavior of some groups with the non-lethal (but still criminal behavior) of other groups! This was for ANTIFA.

For the BLM you cannot blame the whole group for the actions of individuals. You do not do this with Trump supporters and right wing extremists, right?

Also, do you know that right wing extremism has actually killed more cops than tBlack extremists?

Here is the link from the ADL

https://www.adl.org/media/12480/download

Page 21

Click to expand...

No,but the left do, and democrats do......THATS the problem that most people have,

Right wing extremist nutjob...kills 49 people.....OMG thats trumps fault!

That's literally the narrative that is being pushed.

Yllin said:

Muslims have celebrated 9/11 every year down the block from citi field. When i accidentally went down the block, i was jeered. I didnt know what was up till someone told me. When i understood what was going on, i was apprehended by nyc police before i jammed myself up. Obama pardoned terrorists that murdered nyc police. That murderer lead the puerto rican day parade with city council pres viverito endorsement Portrait of NYC? Who's attacking muslims in NYC? F you.

Click to expand...

This ignorance of yours, and I don't mean 'ignorance' in an insulting way, I mean that you are not conscious of facts and that lack of understanding makes you believe something that's evil and dark when in fact it isn't at all.

There's no annual celebration of the WTC attacks on Sept. 11 by Muslims. This is absolutely not true, but I can understand how some people may have perceived it to be that way. Perhaps the year that you perceived what you thought were Muslims celebrating the terrorist attacks of 9/11 was in 2016 because that's the last year that one of the most celebrated Muslim holidays, Eid al-Adha, 'the feast of sacrifice', fell on Sept. 11th.

In 2016, Habeeb Ahmed, the president of the Islamic Center of Long Island, began to plan for that holy day, he noticed a potentially fraught coincidence: Eid al-Adha could fall on Sept. 11. “Some people might want to make something out of that,” adding that he could easily foresee how some might misunderstand the festivities, and say, “Look at these Muslims, they are celebrating 9/11.” This is exactly what you've done. You mistook the Muslim holiday which is one that is celebrated annually but not always on the same date.

Muslim leaders around the world look to the moon to predict the date for one of their most important holidays. Every year, the holiday takes place 10 days after the sighting of a new moon at the start of the month of Dhu al-Hijjah, according to the Islamic calendar. Exactly when the month begins depends on when a new moon is spotted.

Robert McCaw, director of government affairs at the Council on American-Islamic Relations said; “It’s on the minds of every Muslim leader in the country right now,” “We grieved like everyone else,” he added, referring to the Sept. 11 attacks. “We remember this day not because we’re Muslim, but because we’re American.”

This is how people twist things around and see something evil when there's no evil to be seen. This is what the ignorance of facts results in, hatred and division. There's usually a very simple explanation for something as profoundly wrong about propagating a bogus story such as this about Muslims 'celebrating 9/11'. It's harmful and dangerous.

Yllin said:

The obama administration abandoned the kurds we armed as the russians bombed them, abandoned the ukrainians in crimea, abandoned the iranians during the grenn revolution, Yet i hear dems say trump is a puss". YOU endorse the epitome of *****dom. Feckless wankers that have no solution to anything aside from appeasement.

Click to expand...

Welcome, enjoy your stay.......:2wave:

sjmay said:

No,but the left do, and democrats do......THATS the problem that most people have,

Right wing extremist nutjob...kills 49 people.....OMG thats trumps fault!

That's literally the narrative that is being pushed.

Click to expand...

Trump's fault is not condemning white nationalism. This is a perfectly valid criticism which is also used by the right when it tries to argue that some Muslim clerics do not harshly condemn Islamic terrorism which is also true for SOME of the Muslim clerics!

pamak said:

Trump's fault is not condemning white nationalism. This is a perfectly valid criticism which is also used by the right when it tries to argue that some Muslim clerics do not harshly condemn Islamic terrorism which is also true for SOME of the Muslim clerics!

Click to expand...

Except, again, for the umpteenth time,

HE HAS CONDEMNED IT.

JANFU said:

Trump on white nationalism: Not a rising threat - CNN Video


Not a rising threat. Except FBI and such have stated it is rising threat.

FBI considers white supremacist groups as much of a threat as Isis | The Independent

Click to expand...

Have the incidents of White Supremacist motivated crimes against humans and humanity increased since 1850? 1939? 1964?

Have the incidents of Nationalistic Exclusion of resident populations increased since 1850? 1939? 1964?

Have the incidents of genocide around the world increased since 1850? 1939? 1964?

It's difficult to discuss a topic with people who are not living in or even moderately aware of the real world.

sjmay said:

Except, again, for the umpteenth time,

HE HAS CONDEMNED IT.

Click to expand...

No, he has not. He has condemned the terrorist action, but he repeatedly avoided taking a stance against white nationalism.

He did it when he pretended that he did not now who David Duke was after he was informed that the latter was supporting him

He did it with Charletoville and with his remarks about the fine people within the alt-right

And he does it now by diminishing the threat that exists from white nationalists.

All the above happen at a time when the data show that extremist right rises in Europe

White supremacists and neonazi gain seats in European Parliaments

Right wing domestic terrorism in the US rivals that of the domestic islamic terrorism

Muslim Americans become more vulnerable to hate crime as I posted in the links earlier (https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...lism-not-rising-threat-16.html#post1069821516)