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Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier

A lot of the Dossier turned out true and we've caught a lot of crooks from the investigation it helped start.

McCain is an even better person in my mind now.
 
JMR said:
That is interesting....also that the statement you refer to appears on page 83 of the original transcript, and then Pages 84-90 are not included, we go to page 91.
It states that the dossier was given to Kramer at the request of McCain. It does not claim that McCain instructed Kramer to disclose it to the media. And then 6 pages are skipped, perhaps to save the identity of a source.

At that time the existence of the dossier was well known in Washington. It was a matter of time before it published.

It is also of interest to me that only Fox News and the Washington Times are heavily invested in reporting this "story." I'd like to see how coverage of this develops.
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A. As we have stated in our English
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proceedings, I provided copies of the December
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memo to Fusion GPS for onward passage to David
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Kramer at the request of Senator John McCain, and
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also to a senior British national security
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official.

page 15 of 29 of Steele Deposition

Remember, Kramer met with Steele at the request of John McCain...
"In another filing, David Kramer -- a former State Department official and McCain associate -- said in a Dec. 13, 2017, deposition that the dossier was given to him by author and former British spy Christopher Steele, which he then provided to more than a dozen journalists at outlets including CNN, BuzzFeed and The Washington Post."
 
eohrnberger said:
Well, if you can believe Vanity Fair,

This just happened to be the first hit in Google, but I've heard this particular claim from other sources as well.
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I read the entire Steele Deposition and he names no sources.
 
trixare4kids said:
Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier



Regardless of how one feels about John McCain, the man, the long time senator who reached across the aisle to Democrats, a decorated war hero, a beloved father and husband, friend of many, I knew his hands were dirty when it came to the dossier and he lied about being involved in releasing an UNVERIFIED dossier to the media.

IMO, Trump's remarks about McCain not being a hero fueled McCain's vindictiveness. What a petty, false equivalency on McCain's part to give an unverified dossier about a sitting president to the media. Was he consumed with sour grapes or what?
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LOL! This is not exactly "breaking news". Maybe Fox thinks it is. But it's not. It's been a well known fact for quite a long time that an associate/intermediary of Senator McCain, who was a member of the intelligence Gang of Eight, went to England to receive the 'dossier'from Steele and brought it back to the US.
 
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trixare4kids said:
I read the entire Steele Deposition and he names no sources.
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Well, I wouldn't figure that his sources would be in the dossier itself. Form where Vanity Fair got these quotes is a fair question.
 
eohrnberger said:
Well, I wouldn't figure that his sources would be in the dossier itself. Form where Vanity Fair got these quotes is a fair question.
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I wouldn't trust Vanity as far as I could throw them.
 
GDViking said:
Because this is not breaking news, it was common knowledge that McCain turned over a copy to the FBI as soon as it was given to him...
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I heard him admit he's the one that turned it over. Not sure where it comes from that he lied. Must be Fox, right?
 
jghiretire said:
I heard him admit he's the one that turned it over. Not sure where it comes from that he lied. Must be Fox, right?
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Could just be one of those viral emails cultists like to share and believe...
 
trixare4kids said:
This dossier should have never been released to the media.
The public should have never even known about it until the congressional judiciary committee and the GAO told us how the FBI used it to spy on US citizens illegally. And then they should have only known there was an unverified document that FBI used as a tool to go after Trump and the Trump admin; the latter they squeezed to go after Trump.

The public should have never seen the document but thanks to McCain and his vindictiveness and Trump vendetta, here we are.
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I'm a little confused about what the standard for the media is here. Fox News (and many other right wing outlets) ran with the "Democrats murdered Seth Rich" bull**** for weeks. Why is that fair game, but not the dossier? Same with Jerome Corsi's book about the Obama birth certificate - it was bull**** from start to finish but right wing outlets went with that nonsense for YEARS. Why should the public be shielded from the dossier, but not Corsi's bull****, and I'm assuming for the sake of argument the dossier was all false?
 
eohrnberger said:
Actually, if you watch the video, read the transcript, Trump was saying that if you are famous you can get away with doing that, not that he had done that himself.

But since when would anyone expect any sort of accuracy from the media when it comes to their reporting on Trump. Right? So often wrong they've been, almost count on it.
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That's too much to let slide. He was obviously boasting about what HE gets away with. He might have been full of crap, but there's no question he's referring to DJT:

Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the *****. You can do anything.
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:roll:
 
GDViking said:
The Prague thing has not been debunked, just not verified.

Cohen claims it wasn't him, however we do not know that it was not someone else, and I am still not sure it wasn't Cohen...
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You can't prove a negative. Even Isikoff admits that parts of the dossier are likely false. He said reporters have scoured Prague and can find no evidence that Cohen has ever been there.
 
trixare4kids said:
Good question.

According to Wiki,

Doesn't seem likely Comey had the dossier before then.

Trump–Russia dossier - Wikipedia

If you know of something else, let us know.

That's because it was unverified. McCain didn't care though....He just wanted to get it out there, lie about his role, and ruin Trump.
The dossier was given to David Kramer -- a former State Department official and McCain associate. He was responsible for getting copies of the dossier to a dozen journalists at outlets including CNN, BuzzFeed and The Washington Post. McCain denied and lied that he had a role in the dossier getting to BuzzFeed.
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Glenn Simpson said Steele went to the FBI (in Europe, first, Greece as I recall):

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180118/106796/HMTG-115-IG00-20180118-SD002.pdf

MR. SIMPSON: He originally said: I think we should go -- this information
is national security information. I think we should report it to the FBI. That was
in July or late June, shortly after the first memo.
MR. ROONEY: Sixteen?
MR. SIMPSON: Sixteen.
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Later on Simpson puts it around July 5 or 6.
 
eohrnberger said:
So in other words, this particular copy of the Steele dossier was never vetted by US intelligence analysts before being used by the FBI?

Considering its foreign source (From Russian Intel to Steele to the FBI), one would have thought this to be standard practice and a wise precaution, considering where it was going to be used, i.e. FISA court in support of a FISA warrant.

Me thinks someone dropped the ball here, perhaps on purpose.
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Steele met with the FBI in early July 2016. This is well known, so I'm not sure why you're talking about copies of the dossier released months later.
 
trixare4kids said:
I don't know.

There is no proof the information in the dossier even came from Russian INTEL. If you read Steele's testimony from the scribd link, he wouldn't say who his sources were and apparently Comey's FBI didn't care either. :shock:

Damn right.
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Don't make crap up. That's obvious nonsense.
 
trixare4kids said:
Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier



Regardless of how one feels about John McCain, the man, the long time senator who reached across the aisle to Democrats, a decorated war hero, a beloved father and husband, friend of many, I knew his hands were dirty when it came to the dossier and he lied about being involved in releasing an UNVERIFIED dossier to the media.

IMO, Trump's remarks about McCain not being a hero fueled McCain's vindictiveness. What a petty, false equivalency on McCain's part to give an unverified dossier about a sitting president to the media. Was he consumed with sour grapes or what?
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Well, if petty and vindictive is McCain's worst quality, and it really bothers you, then you must really hate Donald Trump.
 
trixare4kids said:
IMO, Trump's remarks about McCain not being a hero fueled McCain's vindictiveness. What a petty, false equivalency on McCain's part to give an unverified dossier about a sitting president to the media. Was he consumed with sour grapes or what?
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Maybe a guilty conscience?
 
GDViking said:
All but Cohen in Prague, and the piss tapes...
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Still doesn't tell me which parts of the dossier have been proven to be true ... especially when a trip by a US citizen to the Czech Republic in 2016 was the easiest to prove/disprove; but people up to this date still argue whether Cohen went to Prague or not.

If Cohen did not go to Prague, then the subsequent info from the dossier is also incorrect:

"... Michael Cohen met with Russian officials in Prague, at the headquarters of a dubious Russian state-run agency.
An unnamed “Kremlin insider” identifies Duma deputy Konstantin Kosachev as “an important figure” in the Trump-Kremlin liaison operation. Kosachev “may have” also attended meetings with Cohen in Prague. ..."


Everything in that dossier is a mishmash of unverified info and pure speculation, seasoned with a few actual dates and meetings, and topped off with the most ludicrous "fact": golden showers.

:lamo
 
eohrnberger said:
I'll quote someone who's commenting on something similar with the party affiliations reversed.
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Let's take the dossier and the sources. Post ANY evidence that the FBI from July 2016 through (pick a date - your choice) didn't care about who Steele's sources were. Anything. Post any evidence, testimony, etc. that Steele didn't share his sources in that first meeting in July 2016. I'll wait right here while you cannot do it. :roll:

It's made up - evidence free.
 
Lutherf said:
FWIW - Here's a link to what was actually released - Steele deposition -- Exhibit 66 | Deposition (Law) | Justice

It's really starting to piss me off that fewer and fewer outlets that hold themselves out to be providers of "News" fail to provide an indication of where one can find the supporting documentation for their commentary.
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Is there a nugget in this book to which you linked that pertains to the idea that McCain was involved in releasing information to anyone outside the investigation?
 
Integrityrespec said:
I have felt that this might be the case for a while and his action on ACA just helped to convince me. I suspect he was a never Trumper from the start.
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IMO, Trump was the head of the Never Trumpers... McCain's problem was always McCain.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, the Prague thing. So the one claim that was discredited over two years ago remains the only discredited claim today. For such a thoroughly utterly "debunked" dossier that's filled with so many claims, you'd think one or two more claims would be discredited by now.
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What's been verified in the Dossier?
 
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