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Court files reveal role of McCain, aide in spreading anti-Trump dossier

Kobie said:
WHOA.

There is no such thing as too much porn.
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Never watch porn and eat Cheetos at the same time. You could end up with an orange .... Err you could be mistaken for Trump.
 
SLC said:
Never watch porn and eat Cheetos at the same time. You could end up with an orange .... Err you could be mistaken for Trump.
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Ah, that long-suffered malady cheeto phallus
 
lurchadams said:
I'll try that Las Carnitas, thanks! Can never get enough Tex-Mex! I've been to the Alamo several times. I stay at a hotel that's walking distance from it.
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One of my Grand fathers was a Texas ranger and his group captured Santa Anna. By the way did you see Santa Anna's uniform. He was tiny.

I realize the sources are biased, but what trump did in Helsinki was nationally televised. We all saw it. If you don't think bashing our own intelligence agencies publicly while kissing up hard to a brutal dictator that just attacked us - you obviously perceive things differently than I.
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You have to realize Trump wasn't about to call Putin a liar to his face. And Trump has a skepticism about our IC because they spied on him. They actively tried to wreck his campaign by using Stefan Halper to spy in his campaign. Clapper and Brennan should be in jail IMHO. I think Brennan is probably the one that got the whole mess started. But I digress. I think Trump just didn't want to call Putin a liar on the News world wide.

Regarding trump lying about "no deals in Russia": Based on what I know about trump, I think it's pretty likely that's true.
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Trump has no deals in Russia he tried but it didn't come to fruition.

I'm headed to Northern CA on Tues. I might take the skiis with me to get one of the bigger resorts in the Sierras while ski season is still happening!

Have a great week!
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Don't hit any trees :)
 
eohrnberger said:
The assertion made was that it was Cohen who went to Prague. This has been demonstrated, and testified to, that it wasn't him.
Who knows who it was, or even if it was. Some are saying that it was a Ukrainian intel office who leaked this, and now can't be found.

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that Trump has a mild case of bacterial-phobia, so why would he want to, agree to, being pissed on?
This doesn't add up in the least.
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No, Dude. The hookers were pissing on each other while Trump watched. I’m assuming he was out of the “splash zone”. Allegedly...allegedly.
 
JMR said:
I do not see in the article where it claims that McCain gave the dossier to the media. It claims an "associate" of his shared it with the media. It is not news that McCain gave it to the FBI.

I assume most of McCain's actions in regard to Donald Trump were attempts to save the nation from a crazy person.

If Trump had released a similar document about Clinton, his base would be cheering.
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You are correct—the article never says that McCain gave the dossier to Buzzfeed. The article is deceptive in that by saying an associate of McCain gave it to Buzzfeed means that McCain gave it to the associate. Fox relies on its readers to not notice this, and jump to a conclusion that is not evidentially there. It’s a bit deceptive, and many posters on this thread fell for it.

For those of you that misread the article, don’t feel bad, that’s what Fox News wanted—to distort reality and get y’all outraged. It worked.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Yeah and I suppose you were there for it all. Now who is posting **** that they don't know. You've got some proof of that, Jack? If not you can take that same advice.
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It is the role for which Steele's services were contracted. You hire a fisherman to fish.
 
Lutherf said:
The FBI was collaborating with Steele to put the thing together at the point you mention. Basically, everybody and their uncle knew it was around and knew it was crap but McCain, the one guy in the whole world more butthurt than Hillary that Trump won, decided he had an obligation to piss all over the Constitution, justice in general and the American people as a whole by making an issue out of the thing.
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He was the Admiral's Son, the same guy who jokingly lit the Forrestal flight deck on fire. Sure, he reached across the aisle, but that does not forgive all the stupid things he did.
 
ralphcdp said:
He is hardly a hero just because he was decorated. US war criminals are often decorated.
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McCain was a war hero that shed his blood for this country and for that I respect him. As for his political service it has stained his memory.
 
SLC said:
McCain was a war hero that shed his blood for this country and for that I respect him. As for his political service it has stained his memory.
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I suggest you reserve that judgment until the whole story is available.
 
lurchadams said:
You're from MO, and "show you"?

Well, I'm from WA, so bl _ _ me! <-- just kidding :)

I mean - courtroom level evidence? What courtroom level evidence has inspired the right's convicting the Clintons of all kinds of horrible **** over the past 30 years including an underground pedophile den in a pizza parlour in NY?

Our president's a piece if ****. You know it I know it. The difference between you and I is that I have come to terms with it.
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Oh I'd say the Director of the FBI saying they found multiple examples of classified documents on Hillary's email server is definitely "courtroom level evidence." :lol:

Our President is a flawed man but who's politics I generally agree with. The difference between you and I is that I have come to terms with it. Besides most of our Presidents have had their own personal flaws.
 
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SLC said:
The difference between you and I is that I have come to terms with it. Besides most of our Presidents have had their own personal flaws.
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You accept his bad behavior without correcting.

You're ethically complicit. Why do you try to avoid responsibility? Is that a new Trump-era quality of the Republican party?
 
SLC said:
Oh I'd say the Director of the FBI saying they found multiple examples of classified documents on Hillary's email server is definitely "courtroom level evidence." :lol:

Our President is a flawed man but who's politics I generally agree with. The difference between you and I is that I have come to terms with it. Besides most of our Presidents have had their own personal flaws.
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Well, if it was courtroom level evidence compiled against the Clintons of criminal activity then why are they not in jail?

"most of our presidents have had their own personal flaws"? Dude, this guy is off the charts and you know it. trump is a traitor and a criminal as well, I'm certain of it.
 
Mycroft said:
He's been a Congressional Elite his whole government career. He knew from the day Trump came down that escalator that he was the biggest threat to the Elites that has ever come along.

It's not surprising that he played his part in attempting to prevent Trump from getting elected.

Government corruption at its finest.
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I do not think this was corruption, it may have been dishonest but why is it corrupt to release information about a political opponent.

And I think he was more afraid of the damage he would do to conservatism and the republican party, some might say he was absolutely right.
 
Peter King said:
I do not think this was corruption, it may have been dishonest but why is it corrupt to release information about a political opponent.

And I think he was more afraid of the damage he would do to conservatism and the republican party, some might say he was absolutely right.
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At the time McCain was taking his action against Trump he was running for Congress and telling his voters that he supported Trump and wanted to kill Obamacare.

That's dishonest.

The fact is, McCain had no intention of killing Obamacare and he had every intention of preventing Trump from killing Obamacare. So much so, that he actively tried to prevent Trump from getting elected by working with the corrupt Obama administration by aiding their illegal activities against Trump and his associates.

Face it...McCain was as crooked as the rest of the corrupt DNC and Obama administration pukes.
 
Mycroft said:
At the time McCain was taking his action against Trump he was running for Congress and telling his voters that he supported Trump and wanted to kill Obamacare.

That's dishonest.

The fact is, McCain had no intention of killing Obamacare and he had every intention of preventing Trump from killing Obamacare. So much so, that he actively tried to prevent Trump from getting elected by working with the corrupt Obama administration by aiding their illegal activities against Trump and his associates.

Face it...McCain was as crooked as the rest of the corrupt DNC and Obama administration pukes.
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Sorry, but your claim is a three-Pinocchio falsehood.

[h=3]The recurring GOP myth about John McCain's 'no' on Obamacare repeal[/h]
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Nov 21, 2018

John McCain's 'thumbs down' vote against repealing Obamacare: An oral history ... “We actually got rid ...
 
Mycroft said:
At the time McCain was taking his action against Trump he was running for Congress and telling his voters that he supported Trump and wanted to kill Obamacare.

That's dishonest.

The fact is, McCain had no intention of killing Obamacare and he had every intention of preventing Trump from killing Obamacare. So much so, that he actively tried to prevent Trump from getting elected by working with the corrupt Obama administration by aiding their illegal activities against Trump and his associates.

Face it...McCain was as crooked as the rest of the corrupt DNC and Obama administration pukes.
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Hilarious and that coming when one of the most corrupt and dishonest administrations is in power. Sorry, but the level of dishonesty, corruption and lies coming from this administration in just a few years is astounding. The Obama administration was saintlike when comparing it to this administration. It of course was not saintlike, the Obama administration was a normal political administration with it's scandals and it's dishonesty, but compared to this administration well, let's just say that Trump is the most dishonest president in the last 30 years.
 
Mycroft said:
I can't...it's WaPo.
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Here you go:

The Facts

. . . The House narrowly passed the American Health Care Act (AHCA), 217 to 213. An earlier version had failed, but amendments were added that brought along conservatives who had previously balked. The Senate, however, was not happy with the AHCA and crafted its own version of the law, the Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA).
There were significant differences between the two versions, though both sought to reduce projected Medicaid spending by instituting a per capita cap on spending. (Scalise called it a block grant in the interview, but that was only an option for states.)
Currently, states and the federal government share in the cost of Medicaid, but the proposed laws would have capped federal funding per enrollee. There were differences in how each body would have calculated the caps, but the net result is that federal spending on Medicaid would have dropped significantly — $772 billion over 10 years in the BCRA and $834 billion in the AHCA.
That was too much for many senators, and Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) introduced an amendment that would have restored $100 billion of Medicaid funding. But even after that was added, the BCRA was rejected by the Senate by a vote of 43 to 57, including “no” votes from nine Republicans.
McCain actually voted for this version of the bill, which needed 60 votes for passage because the Senate parliamentarian determined that certain provisions violated rules that otherwise would have allowed passage with 51 votes (50 votes plus the vice president casting the tiebreaker).
So that’s not one vote short. It’s 17 votes short.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) offered a plan to repeal Obamacare and then delay implementation for two years while lawmakers worked out the details. That would have only needed 51 votes for passage, but it was rejected, 45 to 55, with seven Republicans (including McCain) voting against it.
Finally, there was a vote on “skinny repeal.” This would have repealed the individual and employer mandates but it would have left much of the rest of the law intact, including Medicaid expansion. In other words, this would not have put any cap on Medicaid spending. This is the bill that McCain, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) voted against, along with all Democrats, so it only had 49 votes.
Even if it had passed, the differences between the AHCA and the skinny repeal would have been stark and perhaps insurmountable. Given the votes on the floor, Senate negotiators would not have been empowered to accept a major cap on Medicaid spending — and if the bill included that, it probably would have gone down in defeat in the Senate. (Similarly, a bill without a cap on Medicaid spending might have lost conservative votes in the House.) McCain had said he voted against the skinny repeal because he wanted the legislation to go through a regular committee process, so a jammed-together conference process might not have won him over. . .
 
Jack Hays said:
Here you go:

The Facts

. . . The House narrowly passed the American Health Care Act (AHCA), 217 to 213. An earlier version had failed, but amendments were added that brought along conservatives who had previously balked. The Senate, however, was not happy with the AHCA and crafted its own version of the law, the Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA).
There were significant differences between the two versions, though both sought to reduce projected Medicaid spending by instituting a per capita cap on spending. (Scalise called it a block grant in the interview, but that was only an option for states.)
Currently, states and the federal government share in the cost of Medicaid, but the proposed laws would have capped federal funding per enrollee. There were differences in how each body would have calculated the caps, but the net result is that federal spending on Medicaid would have dropped significantly — $772 billion over 10 years in the BCRA and $834 billion in the AHCA.
That was too much for many senators, and Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) introduced an amendment that would have restored $100 billion of Medicaid funding. But even after that was added, the BCRA was rejected by the Senate by a vote of 43 to 57, including “no” votes from nine Republicans.
McCain actually voted for this version of the bill, which needed 60 votes for passage because the Senate parliamentarian determined that certain provisions violated rules that otherwise would have allowed passage with 51 votes (50 votes plus the vice president casting the tiebreaker).
So that’s not one vote short. It’s 17 votes short.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) offered a plan to repeal Obamacare and then delay implementation for two years while lawmakers worked out the details. That would have only needed 51 votes for passage, but it was rejected, 45 to 55, with seven Republicans (including McCain) voting against it.
Finally, there was a vote on “skinny repeal.” This would have repealed the individual and employer mandates but it would have left much of the rest of the law intact, including Medicaid expansion. In other words, this would not have put any cap on Medicaid spending. This is the bill that McCain, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) voted against, along with all Democrats, so it only had 49 votes.
Even if it had passed, the differences between the AHCA and the skinny repeal would have been stark and perhaps insurmountable. Given the votes on the floor, Senate negotiators would not have been empowered to accept a major cap on Medicaid spending — and if the bill included that, it probably would have gone down in defeat in the Senate. (Similarly, a bill without a cap on Medicaid spending might have lost conservative votes in the House.) McCain had said he voted against the skinny repeal because he wanted the legislation to go through a regular committee process, so a jammed-together conference process might not have won him over. . .
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Big deal.

He still voted no. He still lied to his voters.

Look. You can trot out all the "explanations" you want to...the facts remain.
 
Mach said:
You accept his bad behavior without correcting.

You're ethically complicit. Why do you try to avoid responsibility? Is that a new Trump-era quality of the Republican party?
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Mach, Mach,Mach :lol: Flaws in character like philandering do not necessary make a bad president. As long as he keeps it out of the work environment that is up to him and his wife. His saleman like penchant for exaggeration I personally could do with out and the same goes for his ego. But lots of Presidents have been unfaithful and some even within the Whitehouse. And lots have had strong egos. It’s the politics that are important and I like Trump’s for the most part
 
SLC said:
Mach, Mach,Mach :lol: Flaws in character like philandering do not necessary make a bad president. As long as he keeps it out of the work environment that is up to him and his wife. His saleman like penchant for exaggeration I personally could do with out and the same goes for his ego. But lots of Presidents have been unfaithful and some even within the Whitehouse. And lots have had strong egos. It’s the politics that are important and I like Trump’s for the most part
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Why would you pick one of a hundred issues with Trump, as though his ****ing porns stars, and lying about it, and paying them off as a possible violation of campaign finance, is his only issue?

What about the lies?
The Russia cover-up (Trump tower, etc.)
The loving on Putin over U.S. intelligence.
The constant tweets attacking critical free press
the constant tweets attacking (insert another 100 inappropriate topics)

Salesman like penchant for exaggeration. LOL. That's some funny **** right there. You do know he's a POTUS right? You do know it extends beyond some "sales like exaggeration" right?
Sure you do.
 
Thoreau72 said:
He was the Admiral's Son, the same guy who jokingly lit the Forrestal flight deck on fire. Sure, he reached across the aisle, but that does not forgive all the stupid things he did.
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I voted Republican from 1972-2004 but could never vote for anyone as card carrying stupid as McCain. Every avenue he intruded into
before & after his ill-fated 2008 run at the presidency was a god-forsaken failure.

What is the name of the jihadi group McCain supports in Syria that ran away from the weapons he insisted we supply them with knowing
full well that our enemies would eventually have them. That is almost as bad as ramming a plane into our own ship. Bombs away, McCain.

He was toast to me after the Keating Five scandal, somehow avoided Abscam and recently ran a
presidential campaign that any brain damaged Democrat could have beat him.

Benedict Arnold did far, far more for this country before he turned traitor than mclame…and Arnold didn't
waste the equivalent of 3 or 4 multi multimillion dollar aircraft in the process.

I think he's was a cRaZy old coot that needed to retire when he joined forces with teddy Kennedy back in '05 to promote amnesty.

I could go on & on about McCain but it sickens me to even waste more than one second on him!
 
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