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Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

The New Zealand gunman, 28 year old Brenton Tarrant said he was a supporter of Donald Trump as a 'symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose'.

Trump didn't pull the trigger but Trump has been a leading force and inspiration for white supremacy since he took office. I place all the blame for the increase in white supremacy directly at Trump. Tarrant posted an 87 page manifesto to social media before he went on his murder rampage. That manifesto details his twisted grievances, why he picked the mosques in Christchurch and how he was inspired by Norway mass killer Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 in 2011.

It's time to shout it out loud and clear, Trump is the single most influential person responsible for encouraging white supremacy in the world.


You have literately lost any sense that you might of had at one time. In some sick deluded way
every thing that you believe is wrong in the world is somehow blamed on president Trump.
You post never ending swill without an ounce of credibility and somehow they always blame the
Trump administration.
 
You have literately lost any sense that you might of had at one time. In some sick deluded way
every thing that you believe is wrong in the world is somehow blamed on president Trump.
You post never ending swill without an ounce of credibility and somehow they always blame the
Trump administration.

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Trumps ancestors were probably responsible for the Bubonic Plague

The real point is...if The Donald claimed that they were...you'd believe it.
 
He connected himself to dividing America into civil war, to slandering American conservatism and to loving communist China's form of brutal government. How does the deranged rantings of a madmen give democrats fodder for their own unjust assaults on America conservatism? It doesn't.

Yep he did...based, at least in part, on his following of The Donald and his words. He gives The Donald credit.
 
Yeah right. Rush suggested today, without any evidence, that it was a false flag attack committed by a leftist to smear conservatives. For people who keep telling others to take personal responsibility, conservatives never seem to take their own advice.

Who said anything about Rush Limbaugh? The press has run a long campaign trying to tar Trump as racist, and the dimwitted White Nationalists have been just as duped by it as the dimwitted left.
 
maxparrish;1069825281[B said:
]None the less, one cannot ignore that among all the world's major religions, Muslims as a violent religious movement are at war with everyone else. Buddhists, Hindis, Christians, Jews, and largely secular societies have all been targets of Islamic religious fanaticism and terrorism. Be it the Philippines, China, Russia, Israel, or much of Europe where Muslims flourish, violence against non-Muslims is inevitable.
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Moreover, you can't blame it on the "lack of modernity" because being pre-modern is not a cause but the EFFECT Islam. Islam has been a counter-vailing force to secular and democratic development, and has largely failed to develop a democratic and secular government anywhere. Turkey, a European country, has struggled for more than a century with trying to prove it can be modern and, as we have seen most recently, is still a proto-Islamo authoritarian state under a President that has openly declared that he is working against Democracy.

In any event, only Islam retains its medieval and barbaric Jihadist culture (which in many expressions more barbaric than ever), and as a religious ideology is both primitive and dangerous.

It's bad enough to blaring "calls to prayers" and Pavlov like trained humans throwing down prayer rugs and genuflecting six times a day to a mythical Allah, but its worse when they take their fundi view of a duty to kill infidels seriously.

The religion is an existential danger to humanity, and the sooner it is crushed the better it will be for everyone else.

Oe cannot ignore that in the US, this is not the case! Notice that the vast majority of Muslim countries are actually quite young and people there do not have a tradition of governing themselves and developing effective institutions. Recall also the issues that many of these countries had under SECULAR dictators from Nasser to Sadat to Arafat to Saddam and Gaddafi. In fact for much of the time, the Islamists were hunted down by the previous dictators and were acting more as a resistance with their countries. It is not that such countries developed problems only after Islamic government gained power in the government.
 
Responding more or less to each of your paragraphs...


I grew up in a country fighting Muslims for centuries (Greece) way before it became trendy in the US to bash them. If your friends are the way you say, then you have bad friends which can be explained by the fact of your toxic personality. Personally, I think that you are BS us about your Muslim friends. You do not sound like the type of person who is actually interested in meeting people outside of your bubble.

I told you before that the issue in some Muslim countries is not a religious one. It is an issue of modernity. Muslims in Afghanistan treat their women different from Muslims in Turkey. And the violence of the Old Testament has been used consistently to violate the rights of people in the "promised land" with the blessing of the Evangelicals who interpreter the Old Testament literally.

And you should actually open the new Testament and read what Paul says about the treatment of women by their husbands in his Epistles. You can also read what he says to the slave Christians when he tells them to obey their masters like they obey God. Faith is ALWAYS an issue of interpretation.

The idea that white supremacists have meetings in secret is a joke. You can find in internet what they do and you can even see their speeches in youtube!


So, you are about a big government spying on everybody. I prefer more freedom and have surveillance only on targets where there're specific indications and not simply because they are mosques or paramilitary groups or groups of civil war battle recreation just because one expects to find some nuts there!

There you again. Making every possible excuse for dangerous and hateful ideologies while simultaneously questioning why some people could make excuses for other dangerous and hateful ideologies. This is exactly what I've been saying.

You're outraged that Trump didn't denounce this attack or tries to find deeper, hidden meanings behind the motive, yet you do the exact same thing in response to Muslim terrorist attacks. Can't have it both ways. Sorry.
 
My apologies then. And what about ISIS? Responsible for the terror attacks they inspire, or not responsible?

ISIS is an established terrorist organization, which is responsible for tens of thousands of murders in the last several years. Who are you comparing to ISIS? White people with different beliefs from your own?
 
Yep he did...based, at least in part, on his following of The Donald and his words. He gives The Donald credit.

Let's say the murderous moron and leftist American morons blame president Trump for the massacre. That'll never hold up in court because that ridiculous claim is so outrageously stupid as to be borderline insane.
 
There you again. Making every possible excuse for dangerous and hateful ideologies while simultaneously questioning why some people could make excuses for other dangerous and hateful ideologies. This is exactly what I've been saying.

You're outraged that Trump didn't denounce this attack or tries to find deeper, hidden meanings behind the motive, yet you do the exact same thing in response to Muslim terrorist attacks. Can't have it both ways. Sorry.

You are ridiculous!

I defend the concept of free religion by arguing that there is nothing particularly wicked or dangerous about Islam's religion! This has NOTHING to do with refusing to condemn bigotry when Islamist terrorists use ideology to attack victims of any type!


If I am to use your bigotry and try to equate extremists and regular believers, then I will have to come with a claim which says that the anti-immigration ideology is dangerous because extremists use it to execute innocent victims in order to support this ideology! It is THIS type of stupid connection you try to make with your attempt to go after the Muslim belief and its believers in general!
 
Let's say the murderous moron and leftist American morons blame president Trump for the massacre. That'll never hold up in court because that ridiculous claim is so outrageously stupid as to be borderline insane.

Trump's 28 unhinged tweets today beg to differ.
 
Let's say the murderous moron and leftist American morons blame president Trump for the massacre. That'll never hold up in court because that ridiculous claim is so outrageously stupid as to be borderline insane.

Who said anything about 'court?' This POS shooter is going down, for life, period.

Doesnt negate the fact that he followed The Donald's "leadership", knowing that he was conforming to his views. Maybe he wished he was an American?
 
Trump's 28 unhinged tweets today beg to differ.

"Unhinged?" You should admit that you do not like anything without a propagandist democrat flavor to it. We know what the democrat party is all about and why they constantly focus on Trump and speak evil of him and seek ways to hinder what he is doing in fulfillment to his promises to the American people if they elected him.
 
Who said anything about 'court?' This POS shooter is going down, for life, period.

Doesnt negate the fact that he followed The Donald's "leadership", knowing that he was conforming to his views. Maybe he wished he was an American?

No, he was not following Trump. If you are so intent on connecting good people with the deeds of crazies for stupid unjust reasons, how about at least owning up to the fact that black murderers have killed dozens of innocent cops in America since black lives matter protesters marched down city streets calling for the murder of innocent American cops?
 
Who said anything about 'court?' This POS shooter is going down, for life, period.

Doesnt negate the fact that he followed The Donald's "leadership", knowing that he was conforming to his views. Maybe he wished he was an American?

He thinks Trump is a symbol, but can't stand his policies or leadership. He's more about big government and environmentalism.

As for going to jail, it's not like the loner psycho terrorist was dumb enough to publish a manifesto that reads like a confession or allow video record of the horrific act or leave witnesses or get caught in the act. The trial is going to be a squeaker.
 
Who said anything about 'court?' This POS shooter is going down, for life, period.

Doesnt negate the fact that he followed The Donald's "leadership", knowing that he was conforming to his views. Maybe he wished he was an American?

A garbage post, watch it, libel is a risky thing to post.
 
He thinks Trump is a symbol, but can't stand his policies or leadership. He's more about big government and environmentalism.

As for going to jail, it's not like the loner psycho terrorist was dumb enough to publish a manifesto that reads like a confession or allow video record of the horrific act or leave witnesses or get caught in the act. The trial is going to be a squeaker.

They are invested in turning this tragedy into political hay, facts be damned. It's ghoulish
 
They are invested in turning this tragedy into political hay, facts be damned. It's ghoulish

Trust me, I've noticed. I've tried to bring some logic into a few discussions just to get some pretty bad projection. It's pretty disgusting.

I cannot believe how desperate some of the stretches have been to try and assign it to Trump or anything right wing. The post I was answering didn't seem nearly that bad, though. I kind of came in late in the discussion, though. Don't know if I missed something.

One guy was so desperate to engage me that after I told him multiple times I wasn't going to engage him, he used language and offensive terms bad enough that I had to report him.
 
Trust me, I've noticed. I've tried to bring some logic into a few discussions just to get some pretty bad projection. It's pretty disgusting.

I cannot believe how desperate some of the stretches have been to try and assign it to Trump or anything right wing. The post I was answering didn't seem nearly that bad, though. I kind of came in late in the discussion, though. Don't know if I missed something.

One guy was so desperate to engage me that after I told him multiple times I wasn't going to engage him, he used language and offensive terms bad enough that I had to report him.

It is bad, partisan vultures cant resist.

When some bigots blame ALL muslims for acts of terror committed by one or a few radicals, the same type of people scream "Racist and Islamaphobe"

The partisan double standard on the pile of corpses is disgusting.

I have a novel idea, we blame individuals for their own choices and actions. All of Islam is not to blame for 9/11. All of the right is not to blame for the NZ shooting.
 
I defend the concept of free religion by arguing that there is nothing particularly wicked or dangerous about Islam's religion!

Right - and Trump and myself are defending the concept of free expression by saying there's nothing particularly wicked or dangerous about right-wing white culture. Why is it not OK when we do it?

This has NOTHING to do with refusing to condemn bigotry when Islamist terrorists use ideology to attack victims of any type!

Sorry, but most liberals and Islamic apologists do refuse to condemn attacks when they occur. And btw - you can be a right-wing white supremacist and still think it's not OK to kill people. Many right-wing white people who are firmly against immigration were deeply saddened by the Christchurch shootings. I may hold similar views to the shooter about being vigilant of Islam's cultural takeover (as has happened before) but you'll never see me commit any form of violence against others.

Every excuse you're making for Islam can and should also be made for right-wing white supremacy. The fact that you don't want to shows you're a hypocrite who doesn't care about innocent lives any more than you do about pushing a political agenda.

Do you agree or disagree that Islam can be interpreted violently but usually isn't, and right-wing white supremacy can also be interpreted violently but usually isn't?
 
Right - and Trump and myself are defending the concept of free expression by saying there's nothing particularly wicked or dangerous about right-wing white culture. Why is it not OK when we do it?

Here we do not talk about some belief in a white AngloSaxon culture. We talk about an ideology of white SUPREMACY which is a fringe one within the anti-immigrant conservatives in general.


Sorry, but most liberals and Islamic apologists do refuse to condemn attacks when they occur. And btw - you can be a right-wing white supremacist and still think it's not OK to kill people. Many right-wing white people who are firmly against immigration were deeply saddened by the Christchurch shootings. I may hold similar views to the shooter about being vigilant of Islam's cultural takeover (as has happened before) but you'll never see me commit any form of violence against others.

Every excuse you're making for Islam can and should also be made for right-wing white supremacy. The fact that you don't want to shows you're a hypocrite who doesn't care about innocent lives any more than you do about pushing a political agenda.

Do you agree or disagree that Islam can be interpreted violently but usually isn't, and right-wing white supremacy can also be interpreted violently but usually isn't?

BS! Liberals have consistently condemned Islamic terrorism. They never tried to say that there are "fine people" among Islamist extremists as Trump tried to say with the alt-right immediately after one of them killed a demonstrator. Liberals, as I said, defend the concept of Islam in general from people like you who try to connect it to terrorism with gross generalizations . The liberals also have not pushed yet for an immigration ban of people coming to the US who may have political beliefs hostile to Muslims or to the immigration of non-whites in general. When the rights of white supremacist or of anti-immigrant crowd start being violated in such ways, you can come here and ask for our protection.

But if you or other people like you dare to imply that Islam should not be protected by the First Amendment because it is not a religion like others and that we should ban Muslim immigrants or whatever, I will push back. Unless you want me to adopt your attitude and start also advocating that white supremacy is not like other ideologies and should not be protected by the Constitution, which is what ANTIFA believes!
 
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Here we do not talk about some belief in a white AngloSaxon culture. We talk about an ideology of white SUPREMACY which is a fringe one within the anti-immigrant conservatives in general.




BS! Liberals have consistently condemned Islamic terrorism. They never tried to say that there are "fine people" among Islamist extremists as Trump tried to say with the alt-right immediately after one of them killed a demonstrator. Liberals, as I said, defend the concept of Islam in general which people like you try to connect to terrorism with brand generalizations. The liberals also have not pushed for an immigration ban of people coming to the US whoa may have political beliefs hostile to Muslim immigration. When the rights of white supremacist or of anti-immigrant crowd start being violated in such ways, you can come here and ask for our protection. But if you or other people like you dare to imply that Islam should not be protected by the first amendment because it is not a religion like others and that we should ban Muslim immigrants or whatever, I will push back.

So, three lies in one post.

Which should be addressed first. The fine people comment, the immigration ban, or implying that Islam shouldn't be protected?
 
So, three lies in one post.

Which should be addressed first. The fine people comment, the immigration ban, or implying that Islam shouldn't be protected?

Do you want me to type your post for you?
 
Do you want me to type your post for you?

If you can make a point this time around without either taking something grossly out of context, or misrepresenting it entirely.
Then be my guest.

Fine people comment, Immigration ban, or the implication that Islam as a faith shouldn't be protected... pick one and we can go from there.
 
BS! Liberals have consistently condemned Islamic terrorism.

And right-wing whites have consistently condemned right-wing terrorists.

They never tried to say that there are "fine people" among Islamist extremists as Trump tried to say with the alt-right immediately after one of them killed a demonstrator.

Trump is one person who's not even part of the right-wing group anyway. He certainly doesn't speak for all. There are plenty of Muslim leaders who praise and support ISIS and other terrorists.

Liberals, as I said, defend the concept of Islam in general from people like you who try to connect it to terrorism with gross generalizations .

Conservatives defend the concept of right-wing whitehood from people like you who try to connect it to terrorism with gross generalizations.

The liberals also have not pushed yet for an immigration ban of people coming to the US who may have political beliefs hostile to Muslims.

No, they've just restricted free speech, access to education, resorted to violent protests when they're candidate doesn't get elected, and a sleuth of other things against conservatives who happen to be against immigration.

Also, for every Muslim that comes to the West (lots), there are less of us white people who are able to immigrate too. So yes, by pushing for a mass immigration of Muslims you're decreasing White immigration.

When the rights of white supremacist or of anti-immigrant crowd start being violated in such ways, you can come here and ask for our protection.

Believe me, nobody is missing your protection. Besides, nobody is trying to take away Muslim rights. You're conflating different ideas again. I'm merely saying we need to start calling out Islam on its dangerous and violent beliefs (the same which was done to Christianity, which lead to countless reforms). Doing so does not impede on the rights of Muslims, in fact given what this has done to Christianity and Judaism it is a very good bet this would be good for the entire Islamic faith in the long run. But we all know Dems don't give a damn about that either. Heaven forbid the Muslims learn to think for themselves instead of staying marginalized so they keep voting left.
 
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