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Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

Hatuey said:
If only.

Everyone I expected to have a problem with my words, had a problem with my words.

If anything, it's just an average day at DP for me. Lol, who is shooting up places to ensure the survival of the Stalinist regime? Who is here talking about the need to preserve Stalinism?

Lol don't be goofy.

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Aside from the random Stormfronter that pops up and goes away fairly quickly, who are you referring to? So far as those here who espouse collectivist ideology similar to Stalin, there are many but I'm not actually going to accuse them of supporting mass murder and liken them to actual Stalin because that would be dumb.
 
Rucker61 said:
Australia has had more massacres since 1996 than they did in the 22 years before 1996.
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Massacres are not the same as mass shootings. Many of those were massacres through stabbings, arsons, vehicles, or blunt instruments. You can bet the murder rate would be higher with lax gun laws.
 
slick said:
The shooters manifesto talks of environmental justice and he admits to being a communist.
that's why lefties are being hush hush about this.

for a while I thought the looneys were being a little too slow to blame the alt-right.
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The blame coming from leftists and some others on this thread is reprehensible.
They are no better than Gateway Pundit who continues to publish propagandized garbage.
 
trixare4kids said:
Nobody cares about your non-stop, pathological, mindless Trump hate.

FYI, the guy with the manifesto said he was inspired by Anders Breivik.
Now if you can find a way to connect terrorist Breivik to Trump, have fun.
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While it is non-stop (as it should be), it isn't pathological or mindless. It's a clear connect-the-dots.

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Rucker61 said:
Where does motive come into play in the differences between first and second degree murder?

In NZ, terrorism as a criminal charge includes many more actions other than murder.
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That's the point. Every legal system in the world is based on the premise that motive for an act does matter.

A man kills someone trying to hurt his family: self defense.
A man kills someone at a mosque who did nothing: murder/terrorism or if you're really goofy: mental illness.

The point is then that motive does matter.

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nota bene said:
So President Trump is responsible for this horror? Unbelievable.
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Yes he is in part very responsible for the encouragement these radical fringe elements get directly from Trump. If this man, Brenton Tarrant actually stated that Trump is "a symbol of White Supremacy" that means he holds Trump up as an example of his own hatred for Muslims. Brenton Tarrant was very clear in who inspired him and claimed that he was motivated by “far-right extremism he saw in the United States to carry out the attack at Al Noor Mosque.” If the president of the United States denounced white supremacy from the beginning and called it what it is, an abomination to every minority in the world, this man would not be holding Trump up as an iconic figure in his war against Muslims. Who was it that first called for "a complete and total ban on all Muslims entering the country"? Oh right, that was Trump. Point made.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Go ahead, belabor those fine points of murder differentiation you learned from watching TV crime shows. The dead victims remain dead.
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No kidding.... you mean people are dead after they are killed?

No reason to establish differences based on intent then, OldFatGuy has spoken.

Everyone needs to go home, this guy figured it out for lawyers and judges alike.


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austrianecon said:
He also praised China, eco-fascism and hated the 1%. Sooo hey..
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This has already been addressed.

China is basically a racist fascist country which is not the least bit left wing or democratic, except in name. He thinks the kind of racist policies employed to benefit the Han Chinese in China, such as the colonization of Tibet should be employed by the superior White in Europe who should cleanse themselves of the Muslim invaders.

Ecofascism is Right Wing as well, it merely adopted the "Eco" in order to try and steal from the Green Party in the UK by integrating environmentalism, which is just another motivation for terror for some.

And not all Fascists are Capitalist, he thinks the 1% serve themselves and the core element of Eco-Fascism is the elevation of the people, in this case white people over everything else including self.

These are the same tactics employed by the Nazis, and fools in this thread continue to fall for it and do their work for them in trying to paint this movement as a kind of unifier of Right and Left wing ideas, just as the National Socialists lied and said they were doing. It is clear to me in this thread who has studied Fascism and who is merely speaking out of their rear.
 
Geoist said:
I know, I was just furthering a point.
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I know, I didn't feel like pursuing it any longer as this is not a gun control thread.
Again, my apologies for my original gun comment.
I am no longer talking guns on a thread meant to be about the innocent victims and the terrorists.
 
slick said:
The shooters manifesto talks of environmental justice and he admits to being a communist.
that's why lefties are being hush hush about this.

for a while I thought the looneys were being a little too slow to blame the alt-right.
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Not every political ideology can be wrapped up in a perfect cute little American package:

‘Bio-Nazis’ go green in Germany – POLITICO
 
Geoist said:
Not every political ideology can be wrapped up in a perfect cute little American package:

‘Bio-Nazis’ go green in Germany – POLITICO
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Its hilarious, the establishment Right is so anti-environment they think any kind of environmentalism equals Left Wing. Fascists will get their followers from whoever, and will tell any lie and paint any false picture they need to seize power.
 
nota bene said:
So President Trump is responsible for this horror? Unbelievable.
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Directly? No. But his dog whistles aren't fooling anyone with half a brain:

"I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."
 
Geoist said:
Directly? No. But his dog whistles aren't fooling anyone with half a brain:

"I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."
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The most reprehensible quote uttered by probably any president ever.
 
Fishking said:
Aside from the random Stormfronter that pops up and goes away fairly quickly, who are you referring to?
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Hahahahahahaha.

The mistakes you've made in this thread all stem from a comment not directed at anyone specifically, but that triggered you and others into defending and bitching about the attacks on white supremacists and their ideology.

Good job, you have failed.

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MTAtech said:
While it is non-stop (as it should be), it isn't pathological or mindless. It's a clear connect-the-dots.

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From the 'mouth' of the Donald's own anointed....

With an incredibly tragic outcome.
 
TrueScotsman said:
This is when you know someone has really nothing substantial to respond with. I'm not pontificating on my own definitions, I'm actually educated in Political Philosophy so I know a thing or two about what I am talking about.

Terrorism is not simply analogous to murder.

There is a clear legal distinction defined by law on what terrorism is, here let me educate you a little more.

"the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;"
Source: 22 U.S. Code SS 2656f - Annual country reports on terrorism | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

This massacre was:
1) Premeditated
2) Politically motivated (see 87 page manifesto)
3) Perpetrated against noncombatant targets

They sought to use violence to elevate their ideology and promote copycats to do the same on the same political basis, which is for a weak subnational group who otherwise does not have power sought to increase their power and influence through the use of violence. This is TERRORISM, everyone is calling it terrorism and it is distinct from murder in its motivations which make it more severe.
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Funerals are for the living.
 
Hatuey said:
It is risky to openly support the KKK in America. It is not as risky to claim there are fine people marching with the KKK. That's how far we have come since Obama. I'll take it over law enforcement officers or government representatives having doubts that the KKK is racist at all.

In any case, none of that has anything to do with this. It's the ideology that is the problem, let's talk about the ideology so that Fishking can act offended.




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I'll let you carry-on with the fairy tales.

Trump denounces KKK, neo-Nazis as ‘repugnant’ as he seeks to quell criticism of his response to Charlottesville

President Trump denounced the Ku Klux Klan and neo-Nazis by name Monday, declaring racist hate groups “repugnant to all that we hold dear as Americans,” as he sought to tamp down mounting criticism of his response to the killing of a counterprotester at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville over the weekend.

“Anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable,” Trump said in brief remarks to reporters in the Diplomatic Reception Room of the White House, where he returned after a week of vacation in Bedminster, N.J. “We condemn in the strongest possible terms the egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America.”

Trump added: “Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to all that we hold dear as Americans.”
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trixare4kids said:
Comments like his are reprehensible.
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Strange that someone like that who wrote that manifesto would "admire" Donald Trump.

Shouldn't be obvious that Donald is NOT responsible for anyone who says they follow/support/admire him.
Apparently the loons disagree!
 
Hatuey said:
No kidding.... you mean people are dead after they are killed?

No reason to establish differences based on intent then, OldFatGuy has spoken.

Everyone needs to go home, this guy figured it out for lawyers and judges alike.


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Funerals are for the living. Now two of you know.
 
Geoist said:
While it is partly the culture (gun-obsessed culture of the USA, for example) NZ does have stricter gun laws than the USA and they have far fewer in relation to population (I think it is 1 for every 4 people while the USA has 1 per person).
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When you look at the *potential* for active shooter incidents tho...none of that matters (except maybe the culture part).

It only takes ONE guy with ONE hunting rifle (and lots of ammo) to easily kill 50+ unarmed people. (The Norway shooting is another clear example)

So...it doesnt really matter how many guns are in a country or even what type. We are talking the most basic of elements of legality in owning a firearm: owning one. (Yes, obvious). And one of the most common purposes for owning one...hunting.

These circumstances exist in any country in the world, dont they? They have the potential for having a horrific shooting of innocents every day too.

And yet they dont. Why? So yes, we're back to culture and apparently a surfeit of POS loser males that see themselves as victims.
 
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HumblePi said:
The New Zealand gunman, 28 year old Brenton Tarrant said he was a supporter of Donald Trump as a 'symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose'.

Trump didn't pull the trigger but Trump has been a leading force and inspiration for white supremacy since he took office. I place all the blame for the increase in white supremacy directly at Trump. Tarrant posted an 87 page manifesto to social media before he went on his murder rampage. That manifesto details his twisted grievances, why he picked the mosques in Christchurch and how he was inspired by Norway mass killer Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 in 2011.

It's time to shout it out loud and clear, Trump is the single most influential person responsible for encouraging white supremacy in the world.
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Stop blaming others for your hate, embrace it, own it it's yours.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Funerals are for the living.
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This was an act of Right Wing Fascist terrorists who believed white genocide was happening, the circumstances of the funeral matter. Notice how your diagnoses includes basically doing NOTHING about this atrocity.
 
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