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Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

I actually went to Steven Crowder's website to read part of the manifesto this guy wrote because I was having a hard time finding it anywhere else. I'll link the manifesto shortly, but Crowder has it available to look at. Some of the stuff that was asked that the shooter answered about himself in this manifesto (and it's quoted) and the parts Crowder posted:

"Were/are you a conservative?
No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.

Were/are you a christian?
That is complicated.
When I know, I will tell you.

Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I
am sure the journalists will love that.
I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an
Eco-fascist by nature.
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the
People’s Republic of China."

This guy doesn't identify clearly as Left Wing, Right Wing, nor Socialist. He likes the idea of Trump because he's white, but doesn't like Trump nor his policies (he makes that VERY clear). He also talks about birth rates and overpopulation destroying the environment and that's linked to climate change. There's even a wheel that this guy made and it touches on almost everything he says. Based on what that wheel and the statements he made in his manifesto, I don't know where the Left is getting this idea that this guy is a Right Wing extremist, when, in many ways, he sounds like an environmentalist, racist, Marxist, Left Wing nut job, even though this guy basically says he's both Right and Left wing (and doesn't say he's a Socialist). My opinion: regardless of where he stands politically, this guy's mentally insane and deserves to live out the rest of his life in a psych ward with armed guards around him 24/7.

This is why you wait until there are details on cases like this. This, by itself, is pretty damning because it's coming from the guy's own mouth (in print form). But what's going to happen is this story will fade away quickly, since it's not some crazy Right Wing guy wanting to kill some Muslims the Left was hoping for. Anyway, here's the manifesto, and, wow, this guy's a raving lunatic. The Great Replacement: New Zealand Shooter Brenton Torrant's manifesto
 
calamity said:
What, you don't like that a white supremacist is being called a white supremacist?

Oh, wait! He's the victim. Amirite?
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That's what's being pointed out. Don't write douchey stuff as well, I know it can be hard for you.
 
Fishking said:
That's what's being pointed out. Don't write douchey stuff as well, I know it can be hard for you.
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"Oh noes...the poor misunderstood white supremacist!"
 
Hatuey said:
Lol, I've ruffled feathers. Everyone coming at me was expected.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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You said something negative about Trump's "very fine people." Obviously the base will attack.
 
Hatuey said:
It's disgusting to say he explicitly planned this to protect white culture and white identity?

Please don't open up a history book 2 years from now. You will be very disgusted by how everyone who isnt a Daily Stormer subscriber or regular Tucker Carson viewer will go about this incident.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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There is a difference between knowing history (which I'm sure you don't, especially regarding collectivism) and condemning an ideology and then trying to pant people you disagree with here on the forum as being equal to this scum. Utterly pathetic.
 
Page 4 of the shooter's manifesto: This is a white genocide; here is my plan to stop it.

Apdst, Fishking, jmotivator, TAAC, Bucky forming like Voltron: Let's talk about Stalin/socialists/Muslims/leftists/eco-facists/Rambo and Hatuey.

Lol, okay.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
Hatuey said:
Yikes - apdst doubles down and misses again. Apdst, who was Atlantis/Bucky calling a Rambo wannabe?

Vanilla extract moment - and all so you won't have to discuss white nationalism.



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Atlantis was referring to a mosque member, that shot at the attacker. :lamo
 
Fishking said:
There is a difference between knowing history (which I'm sure you don't, especially regarding collectivism) and condemning an ideology and then trying to pant people you disagree with here on the forum as being equal to this scum. Utterly pathetic.
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incorrect
 
Hatuey said:
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Apdst fail level: googol.





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I stand by my comments. Based on the video I saw it looked like a damn video game! The shooter must be a gamer. He was patrolling the scene like a video gamer. I was in no way trying to praise the shooter.
 
Fishking said:
There is a difference between knowing history (which I'm sure you don't, especially regarding collectivism) and condemning an ideology and then trying to pant people you disagree with here on the forum as being equal to this scum. Utterly pathetic.
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I am condemning white nationalism and white supremacy. I am claiming that people here often espouse the same views as white nationalists. Both of these things are true. You brought up Stalin. Nobody is shooting up mosques, and churches for Stalin.

Do you want me to stop so you can feel better?

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
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Fishking said:
There is a difference between knowing history (which I'm sure you don't, especially regarding collectivism) and condemning an ideology and then trying to pant people you disagree with here on the forum as being equal to this scum. Utterly pathetic.
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This guy belongs to the group Trump publicly stated contains some "very fine people."

If you support Trump, a man who publicly defends the KKK and Neo Nazis, of course you're going to accused of being part of the problem of White Nationalism. What the hell did you expect?
 
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apdst said:
Atlantis was referring to a mosque member, that shot at the attacker. :lamo
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"No one is comparing this guy to Rambo" (paraphrase) - apdst.

"Bucky did" - Me

Bucky:

Bucky said:
I stand by my comments. Based on the video I saw it looked like a damn video game! The shooter must be a gamer. He was patrolling the scene like a video gamer. I was in no way trying to praise the shooter.
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You guys are terrible at gaslighting.

-5 points.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
Herkamer63 said:
I actually went to Steven Crowder's website to read part of the manifesto this guy wrote because I was having a hard time finding it anywhere else. I'll link the manifesto shortly, but Crowder has it available to look at. Some of the stuff that was asked that the shooter answered about himself in this manifesto (and it's quoted) and the parts Crowder posted:

"Were/are you a conservative?
No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.

Were/are you a christian?
That is complicated.
When I know, I will tell you.

Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I
am sure the journalists will love that.
I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an
Eco-fascist by nature.
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the
People’s Republic of China."

This guy doesn't identify clearly as Left Wing, Right Wing, nor Socialist. He likes the idea of Trump because he's white, but doesn't like Trump nor his policies (he makes that VERY clear). He also talks about birth rates and overpopulation destroying the environment and that's linked to climate change. There's even a wheel that this guy made and it touches on almost everything he says. Based on what that wheel and the statements he made in his manifesto, I don't know where the Left is getting this idea that this guy is a Right Wing extremist, when, in many ways, he sounds like an environmentalist, racist, Marxist, Left Wing nut job, even though this guy basically says he's both Right and Left wing (and doesn't say he's a Socialist). My opinion: regardless of where he stands politically, this guy's mentally insane and deserves to live out the rest of his life in a psych ward with armed guards around him 24/7.

This is why you wait until there are details on cases like this. This, by itself, is pretty damning because it's coming from the guy's own mouth (in print form). But what's going to happen is this story will fade away quickly, since it's not some crazy Right Wing guy wanting to kill some Muslims the Left was hoping for. Anyway, here's the manifesto, and, wow, this guy's a raving lunatic. The Great Replacement: New Zealand Shooter Brenton Torrant's manifesto
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The conspiracy theories are Right Wing.

Not all Right Wing Ideology is based out of Liberal Conservatism in the Anglo-American tradition. Fascism which this man openly admits to, is historically primarily a Right Wing phenomenon and he modeled himself off of Oswald Mosley who was right in line with the other nationalist authoritarian Fascists of his time.

China is basically a racist nationalistic fascist regime, which controls the beliefs of its people down to an individual level, and is busy colonizing regions such as Tibet with Han Chinese in order to solidify its hold on the region.

And what is Eco-Fascism?

Ecofascism is a theoretical political model in which a totalitarian government would require individuals to sacrifice their own interests to the "organic whole of nature" and which would rely on militarism, expansionism, and possibly racism to defend the land.[1] Throughout human history there has never been an ecofascist government.[1]

The term is also used as a rhetorical pejorative to undermine the environmental movement[2] and in the United Kingdom, it has been used to describe far-right efforts to gain influence within the Green Party.
Source: Ecofascism - Wikipedia

EcoFascism isn't the least bit Left Wing, it is yet another Far Right wing ploy like the National Socialists to try and steal from a faction on the left, instead of Socialists they went after the environmentalists. Sad that once again fools are falling for this obvious ploy to characterize their Fascist movement as something that unites both ideologies. It doesn't, it replaces both with the total domination of a militaristic and racist regime, that treats you like less than pond scum if you are not of the favored group or do not serve the cause with your life.
 
TrueScotsman said:
The conspiracy theories are Right Wing.

Not all Right Wing Ideology is based out of Liberal Conservatism in the Anglo-American tradition. Fascism which this man openly admits to, is historically primarily a Right Wing phenomenon and he modeled himself off of Oswald Mosley who was right in line with the other nationalist authoritarian Fascists of his time.

China is basically a racist nationalistic fascist regime, which controls the beliefs of its people down to an individual level, and is busy colonizing regions such as Tibet with Han Chinese in order to solidify its hold on the region.

And what is Eco-Fascism?

Ecofascism is a theoretical political model in which a totalitarian government would require individuals to sacrifice their own interests to the "organic whole of nature" and which would rely on militarism, expansionism, and possibly racism to defend the land.[1] Throughout human history there has never been an ecofascist government.[1]

The term is also used as a rhetorical pejorative to undermine the environmental movement[2] and in the United Kingdom, it has been used to describe far-right efforts to gain influence within the Green Party.
Source: Ecofascism - Wikipedia

EcoFascism isn't the least bit Left Wing, it is yet another Far Right wing ploy like the National Socialists to try and steal from a faction on the left, instead of Socialists they went after the environmentalists. Sad that once again fools are falling for this obvious ploy to characterize their Fascist movement as something that unites both ideologies. It doesn't, it replaces both with the total domination of a militaristic and racist regime, that treats you like less than pond scum if you are not of the favored group or do not serve the cause with your life.
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Thank you for the coherent response to the shooter's "manifesto."
 
Herkamer63 said:
I actually went to Steven Crowder's website to read part of the manifesto this guy wrote because I was having a hard time finding it anywhere else. I'll link the manifesto shortly, but Crowder has it available to look at. Some of the stuff that was asked that the shooter answered about himself in this manifesto (and it's quoted) and the parts Crowder posted:

"Were/are you a conservative?
No, conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.

Were/are you a christian?
That is complicated.
When I know, I will tell you.

Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist. I
am sure the journalists will love that.
I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an
Eco-fascist by nature.
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the
People’s Republic of China."

This guy doesn't identify clearly as Left Wing, Right Wing, nor Socialist. He likes the idea of Trump because he's white, but doesn't like Trump nor his policies (he makes that VERY clear). He also talks about birth rates and overpopulation destroying the environment and that's linked to climate change. There's even a wheel that this guy made and it touches on almost everything he says. Based on what that wheel and the statements he made in his manifesto, I don't know where the Left is getting this idea that this guy is a Right Wing extremist, when, in many ways, he sounds like an environmentalist, racist, Marxist, Left Wing nut job, even though this guy basically says he's both Right and Left wing (and doesn't say he's a Socialist). My opinion: regardless of where he stands politically, this guy's mentally insane and deserves to live out the rest of his life in a psych ward with armed guards around him 24/7.

This is why you wait until there are details on cases like this. This, by itself, is pretty damning because it's coming from the guy's own mouth (in print form). But what's going to happen is this story will fade away quickly, since it's not some crazy Right Wing guy wanting to kill some Muslims the Left was hoping for. Anyway, here's the manifesto, and, wow, this guy's a raving lunatic. The Great Replacement: New Zealand Shooter Brenton Torrant's manifesto
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You do understand that a fascist is a right wing, right?
Do you also understand, that the alt-right neonazi and fascists who support Trump do it only because his policies align with their beliefs and not because they actually like Trump? I have heard a video with an interview of one of them explaining that Trump after all gave his daughter to a Jew...

Also, your acrobatics with basic facts regarding his ideology cannot change the fact that his ideology included Islamophobia, and the latter is a staple of the extreme right
 
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AlphaOmega said:
Another leftist dodges answering the question with facts. Are socialists left wing or right wing?
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This is how people fall right into the hands of Fascists, the National Socialists German Workers Party branded themselves which was in reality a lie. They sought to integrate the Socialists by including the title in the party name, at the protest of Hitler, but it was still used to siphon votes from the German Communist Party. Hitler wanted to obliterate Marxism from the world and thought its internationalist ideas were a one way road to the destruction of Western Civilization. Ultimately what Fascists are trying to do is create a modern day Empire, built on racial identity and a worldview in which the peoples of the earth compete in a dog-eat-dog world and the strongest must obtain living space for themselves in order to survive and thrive.

The Nazis were the antithesis of Left Wing, the first people they locked up with the Left Wing leadership in Dachau. Just the same this guy saying that they are "environmentalists" and "socialists" is in line with the same Fascist behavior to lie about the nature of their regime in order to recruit across ideological lines.
 
Hatuey said:
"No one is comparing this guy to Rambo" (paraphrase) - apdst.

"Bucky did" - Me

Bucky:



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You guys are terrible at gaslighting.

-5 points.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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Rambo is a shooter, isn't he? I am not familiar with Rambo the character.
 
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