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Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

What is more disgusting? The fact that this monster live streamed his murderous rampage and posted it and his manifesto on social media? Or the fact that there are people who willingly shared that video and reuploaded it to Twitter After Twitter had taken the original down?

Both are disgusting. But the terrorist who made the video (which I not seen and will not watch) is the more disgusting by several orders of magnitude.
 
What is more disgusting? The fact that this monster live streamed his murderous rampage and posted it and his manifesto on social media? Or the fact that there are people who willingly shared that video and reuploaded it to Twitter After Twitter had taken the original down?

Interview after interview of Muslim Kiwis not blaming the West. Just being normal caring humans.

Reporters in near tears... we dont get stuff like this...

Stop debating politics or diverting from a few disgusting people murdering innocent unarmed people. This is very like the Charlotte attack on Muslims.

The attackers are Aussies who hate immigrants... news flash... they are immigrants. Difference is they are white making this a racist attack.
 
Lots of outright stupid posts since I commented on stupid posts. Just gonna let you expose how idiotically these posts try to blame the right or left or whoever over a mental deficient. Next time someone of the opposing philosophy kills someone, we will enjoy watching you try to defend it. Turns out that if you are stupid enough to think killing folks is a good idea, you don't represent any majority left in the world.

No one with half a brain kills people. All the major parties represent that they have at least a basic intelligence.

But go ahead. Turn this political and show that these lives mean nothing more to you than furthering your idiotic cause.
Where did I say you or Republicans share his ideology? It exists in the US and the specific lies of White Genocide should be universally repudiated by the Right in America and Europe.

I love how you chastise me for insulting posters, and you've called my posts idiotic and stupid MANY times already, which I frankly find insulting.

Unless you yourself represent the specific ideology of white genocide, then I don't expect you to defend it, but your condemnation of it is certainly welcome.
 
Both are disgusting. But the terrorist who made the video (which I not seen and will not watch) is the more disgusting by several orders of magnitude.

What I find more disturbing is the fact that there are people who willingly share and reupload this monsters horrific video and manifesto, even after the original was taken down.

And in the darkest corners of social media platforms and the internet, there are people who are celebrating this monster and what he did.
 
You are aware the far right exists outside the US......right? While certain themes—-like the obsession with the fantasy about an “invasion” and fantasies about Muslims “replacing white people” are the same, these are all distinct groups.

So no, pointing out that this loon was far right is perfectly valid.

If one points out he is a loon, and motivated by irrational fears associated with the right, then I think it a fair description. However, it is also worth noting that so-called terrorism motivated by mental illness and terrorism motivated by ideology can be different.

Some people are born sick and gravitate to justifying ideologies , others who might lead a normal life are made sick by ideological indoctrination.
 
What I find more disturbing is the fact that there are people who willingly share and reupload this monsters horrific video and manifesto, even after the original was taken down.

And in the darkest corners of social media platforms and the internet, there are people who are celebrating this monster and what he did.
I say we share the manifesto, let it be known what these vile human piles of feces stood for. We can ignore the ideologies of Far-Right terrorists, or we can educate people on what they are and how they are wrong so they are inoculated to their lies.
 
Sad news. My heart goes out to the victims.

If the suspects were openly advocating extremist views on the net, then why didnt the Kiwi security forces put them under surveillance? This is a top to bottom failure.
 
Interview after interview of Muslim Kiwis not blaming the West. Just being normal caring humans.

Reporters in near tears... we dont get stuff like this...

Stop debating politics or diverting from a few disgusting people murdering innocent unarmed people. This is very like the Charlotte attack on Muslims.

The attackers are Aussies who hate immigrants... news flash... they are immigrants. Difference is they are white making this a racist attack.


I think the attackers share a lot in common with Anders breivik in terms of ideological motivation.
 
All terror is evil. By whomsoever, against whomsoever. I'm generally against the death penalty but right now I regret that NZ no longer hangs people. Any lesser penalty is imo an affront to justice.

We should be careful about assuming all terrorists are psychotic. When it comes to trial the defense, in this case as in others, may try an insanity plea in an attempt to get a lighter sentence.

Totally fair point. But I doubt you could argue that some mental deficiency isn't in place when dealing with something like this. Honestly, I don't care about motives or insanity on something like this. Remove them from society. Personally I prefer life locked up, but I wouldn't argue against death. As long as they can no longer hurt people, I will accept it. For this many deaths, I would accept both insanity and death penalty, but I'm not in charge.
 
If one points out he is a loon, and motivated by irrational fears associated with the right, then I think it a fair description.
What evidence is there that he is mentally psychotic? This has no basis in the reporting thus far. And many on the Right such as Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern who have hundreds of thousands of followers each, would say that it is a totally rational fear towards what they call the "Great Replacement." It seems to be not all that irrational to commit violence against people you perceive are committing a genocide against your race.

However, it is also worth noting that so-called terrorism motivated by mental illness and terrorism motivated by ideology can be different.
He declared that "they will never replace our people," I think its obvious that this is at least partially motivated by ideology and that of a Far-Right persuasion.
 
What I find more disturbing is the fact that there are people who willingly share and reupload this monsters horrific video and manifesto, even after the original was taken down.

And in the darkest corners of social media platforms and the internet, there are people who are celebrating this monster and what he did.

Which is one reason why I am not on Facebook, Twitter or any other of the anti-social media.
 
Lots of outright stupid posts since I commented on stupid posts. Just gonna let you expose how idiotically these posts try to blame the right or left or whoever over a mental deficient. Next time someone of the opposing philosophy kills someone, we will enjoy watching you try to defend it. Turns out that if you are stupid enough to think killing folks is a good idea, you don't represent any majority left in the world.

No one with half a brain kills people. All the major parties represent that they have at least a basic intelligence.

But go ahead. Turn this political and show that these lives mean nothing more to you than furthering your idiotic cause.

Mental people who simply want to kill others get a gun, go to a mall or theater or hotel and start spraying bullets randomly towards the crowd (recall the Nevada shooter). If one makes a choice to target a specific group of people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Blacks or whatever he expresses some form of a radicalized ideology on top of any possible mental issues..
 
Late to this horrible horrible news.

The views expressed by the attackers are disgusting and reading that the attacker went back to re-shoot people to make sure they were dead - I'm lost at such barbarity.

R.I.P. all the innocent dead from the two mosques.
 
Interview after interview of Muslim Kiwis not blaming the West. Just being normal caring humans.

Reporters in near tears... we dont get stuff like this...

Stop debating politics or diverting from a few disgusting people murdering innocent unarmed people. This is very like the Charlotte attack on Muslims.

The attackers are Aussies who hate immigrants... news flash... they are immigrants. Difference is they are white making this a racist attack.

From what I read only one was a confirmed Aussie. How sure are you that none of the attackers are native Kiwis?
 
Totally fair point. But I doubt you could argue that some mental deficiency isn't in place when dealing with something like this. Honestly, I don't care about motives or insanity on something like this. Remove them from society. Personally I prefer life locked up, but I wouldn't argue against death. As long as they can no longer hurt people, I will accept it. For this many deaths, I would accept both insanity and death penalty, but I'm not in charge.
You're only harping on this point over and over again because you don't want to acknowledge that there was a clearly ideological element to this. Where did he shoot up Keridan? Pinning this violence on the mentally ill and developmentally disabled is an insult to them.

No, he thought the Muslims "invaders" and that as long as the "white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands." These are lies spread on popular Right Wing channels, like Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern. THIS is a problem that we cannot just ignore and just say, "meh, must have been a few murderous morons."

Ideas have consequences, and the blood of the innocents lie with those who promote such vile lies.
 
Mental people who simply want to kill others get a gun, go to a mall or theater or hotel and start spraying bullets randomly towards the crowd (recall the Nevada shooter). If one makes a choice to target a specific group of people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Blacks or whatever he expresses some form of a radicalized ideology on top of any possible mental issues..

Careful, you questioning him on this obvious point might get you called stupid or idiotic in a round about way.
 
I think the attackers share a lot in common with Anders breivik in terms of ideological motivation.

Of course they do, this is a common Right-Wing conspiracy that is basically at the heart of their movement. That White People are being replaced by Cultural Marxists who want to assault Christian values and open our borders so that Muslims can invade and replace the constitution with sharia law. You will find hints of this all over Fox News coverage, and I would even say that much of the Wall policy has elements of this ideology.
 
Totally fair point. But I doubt you could argue that some mental deficiency isn't in place when dealing with something like this. Honestly, I don't care about motives or insanity on something like this. Remove them from society. Personally I prefer life locked up, but I wouldn't argue against death. As long as they can no longer hurt people, I will accept it. For this many deaths, I would accept both insanity and death penalty, but I'm not in charge.

No, I don't go along with sure and certain mental deficiency. Might we both agree on 'personality disorder'. Or 'abnormal personality - though our PC friends, who seem to hate the very idea of anything being abnormal, might prefer something like 'Differently Personalitied'.
 
Too tired to deal with you in a multi-quote. I'm sure you all have some good excuse why you thought it was okay to politicize this tragedy and go ahead and feel better about yourselves. I'm okay with admitting psychos are psychos. If it makes you feel all superior to pretend they actually represent a group, good for you.

Personally, I'm willing to accept that it takes a sick person to murder dozens of people and mourn their unnecessary deaths without pretending it condemns someone I disagree with.

I very much wish this hadn't already dissolved to this point, but I guess it's expected when you go on a board with hyper-partisans who can't separate a tragedy from an opportunity.
 
No, I don't go along with sure and certain mental deficiency. Might we both agree on 'personality disorder'. Or 'abnormal personality - though our PC friends, who seem to hate the very idea of anything being abnormal, might prefer something like 'Differently Personalitied'.

Not sure if you meant me to, but I chuckled. I'm okay with your distinction! I think we basically agree it's a sick event and not representative of a healthy individual, however you label them.
 
Too tired to deal with you in a multi-quote. I'm sure you all have some good excuse why you thought it was okay to politicize this tragedy and go ahead and feel better about yourselves.
This tragedy is political! You think 9/11 was a neutral event? Hello, terrorist attacks are all about politics, they are seeking to further their agenda and promote it. You can hide under a rock and ignore that, or acknowledge reality and respond accordingly.

I'm okay with admitting psychos are psychos.
What evidence is there that this person is a psycho? Are you an expert in psychology alleging that only crazy people kill? Do you think every single hijacker on 9/11 was insane? Or were they filled with an ideology that motivated them to do violence. It could be both, but it is obvious the ideology motivated the targeting and messaging for this attack and why he wanted to be heard.

If it makes you feel all superior to pretend they actually represent a group, good for you.
You keep saying this without being specific, who do you think I believe they represent?

Personally, I'm willing to accept that it takes a sick person to murder dozens of people and mourn their unnecessary deaths without pretending it condemns someone I disagree with.
I'm more interested in the facts, than convenient responses to world events.

I very much wish this hadn't already dissolved to this point, but I guess it's expected when you go on a board with hyper-partisans who can't separate a tragedy from an opportunity.
Yes, my hyper-partisan acknowledgement of the plain facts that are emerging. Unimpressed with your dodges and dismissals.
 
No, I don't go along with sure and certain mental deficiency. Might we both agree on 'personality disorder'. Or 'abnormal personality - though our PC friends, who seem to hate the very idea of anything being abnormal, might prefer something like 'Differently Personalitied'.
Any evidence for any of these maladies, or do you guys wish to ignorantly smear the mentally ill as violent some more?
 
Mental people who simply want to kill others get a gun, go to a mall or theater or hotel and start spraying bullets randomly towards the crowd (recall the Nevada shooter). If one makes a choice to target a specific group of people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Blacks or whatever he expresses some form of a radicalized ideology on top of any possible mental issues..

Though I'm not usually an admirer of your posts I think you are right here. The Christchurch murders were indeed a terrorist act, and such acts are inevitably motivated by religion or ideology.

I'm wary of 'mental issues'. As I've said elsewhere the lawyers may well try an insanity plea in an attempt to get a lighter sentence.
 
This tragedy is political! You think 9/11 was a neutral event? Hello, terrorist attacks are all about politics, they are seeking to further their agenda and promote it. You can hide under a rock and ignore that, or acknowledge reality and respond accordingly.

What evidence is there that this person is a psycho? Are you an expert in psychology alleging that only crazy people kill? Do you think every single hijacker on 9/11 was insane? Or were they filled with an ideology that motivated them to do violence. It could be both, but it is obvious the ideology motivated the targeting and messaging for this attack and why he wanted to be heard.

You keep saying this without being specific, who do you think I believe they represent?

I'm more interested in the facts, than convenient responses to world events.

Yes, my hyper-partisan acknowledgement of the plain facts that are emerging. Unimpressed with your dodges and dismissals.

You're cute and all, but I'm not biting the bait. This thread is about the tragedy that killed dozens of people. Of course someone who goes insane grabs a lifeline of some group or ideology. The evidence is that they killed tons of people! The crusades were political, but that doesn't make it less insane that they killed thousands. Nor does whether or not I agree with the religion matter when I assess whether it was okay to destroy whole cultures.

Anyway, I have said many times that I have a basic sanity and intellect threshold before I engage. I'm afraid your posts have long past dropped below that point. Good luck with that and all!
 
You're cute and all, but I'm not biting the bait. This thread is about the tragedy that killed dozens of people.
You mean the terrorist attack, even Sweden calls it for what it is.

Of course someone who goes insane grabs a lifeline of some group or ideology.
Nice arm chair psychology, what are your credentials?

The evidence is that they killed tons of people!
Which is built on your presupposition that only crazy people kill. Hello circular logic.

The crusades were political, but that doesn't make it less insane that they killed thousands.
There was nothing insane about the crusades, the Pope wanted to elevate his position, repair relations with the East and the men on the crusades were told that they would have forgiveness of sins just for participating. You're claiming that all of them were psychos?

Nor does whether or not I agree with the religion matter when I assess whether it was okay to destroy whole cultures.
Clearly, much is lacking from your psychos everywhere assessment of reality.

Anyway, I have said many times that I have a basic sanity and intellect threshold before I engage. I'm afraid your posts have long past dropped below that point. Good luck with that and all!
I must be on my way to violence then, alert the authorities.
 
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