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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    What about Jews?
    What about the Irish?
    What about the Italians?
    What about the Catholics?
    What about the Chinese?

    All of them faced discrimination by the so-called 'native' people of the USA because they were considered too violent, deceitful, idolatrous, or whatever. Are they all rattlesnakes?
    They were all white European ethnics mostly all Christian who were able to blend in to build the USA
    into the greatest economic & military power in the world a half a century before your 'Age of Diversity'

    Then all of a sudden the 'Wise Men' in Washington came up with a great policy back in 1965- massive
    3rd world invasion and total surrender on the border. Let's all pretend it ain't so. Pretend if you wish
    that since then the projection of US dominance has not tended downward.

    The Chinese! why bring them up?
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    You seem to be in denial of several points, at least the first being self-evident.

    a) Yes, there is a difference between a deranged individual who would be violent in any context AND a person who would otherwise be normal person but for his/her indoctrination into fanatical belief systems and groups. The former tends to be a lone wolf sociopath, the second tends to be a fanaticized member of a group.

    b) At this point, nothing precludes this shooter being one or the other (or some of both). However, the killers rantings of hate are not determinative of the source of their violence because BOTH kinds will express "reasons", be they a sane person or not.

    c) What we do know is that Lone Wolfs tend to be individuals that would do sick things in any context. The Unabomber isn't the product of the anti- industrial complex indoctrination, he's a brilliant social dropout who needed to find a way to strike at society, and he made up his own ranting delusional excuses. And much the same could be said of many other lone "hate" killers - although on the surface their "excuse" may be Allah, White Supremacy, Gay Immorality, or anti-abortion.

    d) If the killer turns out to be a lone wolf, then he likely has a diseased mind that does not represent a movement or belief system - although he may have embraced their views as a rationale or his rage.

    I think you miss the current political climate in the ''western rhetoric'' given the elections results in last years.

    This is not a '' lone wolf'' case; quite the opposite the public perception in the west had mentally been cooked accordingly till such physical terror attack(s) given the words on the rifles, now ''individual(s)'' has started to act by the same indoctrination regardless of their countries or continents.

    Therefore, Such attacks will take place more than ever and no security precaution can stop it unless the climate changes.

    So, Trump is indirectly responsible.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Because when I was in Iraq I didn't walk around shooting unarmed citizens whilst live streaming it.
    Neither did Americans.
    I have a feeling ralphcdp is anti US/UK.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    Did I dispute the fact that there is left wing environmental terrorism? It will probably become worse in fact, but that has nothing to do with what happened yesterday in Christchurch, NZ. If you want to make an imaginary connection that doesn't exist, then have at it, my analysis of Eco-Fascism I would bet is far more historically accurate than yours which I assume is seeking to be self-serving like all the other Right Wingers around here.
    Considering you are new.. don't assume anything about me. Eco-Fasicism needs the State to do it's policies. If you have to rely on the State to achieve what you want then you are not right on the political paradigm. You are to the left. This is where most on the left (Statist) want people to ignore.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I did not mention Biden by name (nor I did Bill) but I said "They all certainly did." I am aware Biden has said racist/sexist/controversial things in the past and I do not support such talk. Voters obviously forgive the controversial talk. I mean, we do have President Pussy-Grabber in the WH...
    Admittedly, I missed the above.
    Apologies.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    Neither did Americans.
    I have a feeling ralphcdp is anti US/UK.
    Ditto
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by trixare4kids View Post
    That's true too but we, normal people, call them psychotic and every other bad name in the book, only because we can't comprehend the mindset of terrorists. When push comes to shove most terrorists are found competent to stand trial.
    Sure. Let's leave aside the moot point whether 'psychotic' is a 'bad name'.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Considering you are new.. don't assume anything about me. Eco-Fasicism needs the State to do it's policies. If you have to rely on the State to achieve what you want then you are not right on the political paradigm. You are to the left. This is where most on the left (Statist) want people to ignore.
    You are looking at Conservatism totally in an Anglo-American perspective as if Liberal Conservatism sums up the tradition. There are plenty of Right Wing ideologies contrary to what you present that employ the government in all kinds of roles. It is only the Liberal Conservative tradition that has an emphasis on a limited role of government, that is not necessarily how Conservatism developed on the Continent.

    I encounter this lazy old argument from just about every Libertarian I run into, so don't feel bad, you just need a more expansive education on the history of political philosophy.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    Given that you repeat the Trump metaphor of immigrants as snakes, you obviously should be our next UN Ambassador. You do realize that you are also carrying on the proud record of fear of Irish, Italian, and Jewish immigrants? In this day of rapid change in society, it's good to know some people are keeping the old traditions alive. Glad the kids can witness this.
    Post #531 somewhat explains the difference of previous ethnic immigrations & the success they had.
    Better yet -

    'All these people were European. All were white. Almost all were Christian.
    After each wave of immigration, there were long periods little or no immigration
    that gave America time to assimilate the newcomers. And before they were fully assimilated, their children and grandchildren passed through deeply patriotic pubic and parochial schools where they were immersed in the language, literature, history and traditions of this unique people. Today, however those schools have been converted into madrassa of modernity, where it is forbidden to invoke the faith of our fathers and American history is often taught as a series of crimes against people of color.'
    isbn:1429990600 - Google Search

    That's why immigration from the 1860's to the 1960's for the most part worked & because of recent immigration
    the fortunes of this country has tended downwards.

    Celebrants of diversity always point to the successful huge waves of immigration between 1850 &
    1920. They ignore these crucial elements mentioned above that then made America work.
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    This cold blooded murderous shooting is the unintended consequences of retaliation for the
    far left policies of unfettered and unvetted Muslim immigration into non Muslim nations.

    Diversity & Multiculturalism has never been a strength of any country
    You don't put rattlesnakes in the baby's crib and tell people oh that's just diversity.
    Though the horse is out of the barn now & nothing can be done about it but Muslims belong in
    Muslim countries. Everyone is safer that way.
    I agree. Thatís why we should immediately deport everyone who thinks like you and this gang of thugs do. After all, you donít put the rattlesnake in the crip with the baby.

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