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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Where does motive come into play in the differences between first and second degree murder?

    In NZ, terrorism as a criminal charge includes many more actions other than murder.
    That's the point. Every legal system in the world is based on the premise that motive for an act does matter.

    A man kills someone trying to hurt his family: self defense.
    A man kills someone at a mosque who did nothing: murder/terrorism or if you're really goofy: mental illness.

    The point is then that motive does matter.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So President Trump is responsible for this horror? Unbelievable.
    Yes he is in part very responsible for the encouragement these radical fringe elements get directly from Trump. If this man, Brenton Tarrant actually stated that Trump is "a symbol of White Supremacy" that means he holds Trump up as an example of his own hatred for Muslims. Brenton Tarrant was very clear in who inspired him and claimed that he was motivated by “far-right extremism he saw in the United States to carry out the attack at Al Noor Mosque.” If the president of the United States denounced white supremacy from the beginning and called it what it is, an abomination to every minority in the world, this man would not be holding Trump up as an iconic figure in his war against Muslims. Who was it that first called for "a complete and total ban on all Muslims entering the country"? Oh right, that was Trump. Point made.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Go ahead, belabor those fine points of murder differentiation you learned from watching TV crime shows. The dead victims remain dead.
    No kidding.... you mean people are dead after they are killed?

    No reason to establish differences based on intent then, OldFatGuy has spoken.

    Everyone needs to go home, this guy figured it out for lawyers and judges alike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    He also praised China, eco-fascism and hated the 1%. Sooo hey..
    This has already been addressed.

    China is basically a racist fascist country which is not the least bit left wing or democratic, except in name. He thinks the kind of racist policies employed to benefit the Han Chinese in China, such as the colonization of Tibet should be employed by the superior White in Europe who should cleanse themselves of the Muslim invaders.

    Ecofascism is Right Wing as well, it merely adopted the "Eco" in order to try and steal from the Green Party in the UK by integrating environmentalism, which is just another motivation for terror for some.

    And not all Fascists are Capitalist, he thinks the 1% serve themselves and the core element of Eco-Fascism is the elevation of the people, in this case white people over everything else including self.

    These are the same tactics employed by the Nazis, and fools in this thread continue to fall for it and do their work for them in trying to paint this movement as a kind of unifier of Right and Left wing ideas, just as the National Socialists lied and said they were doing. It is clear to me in this thread who has studied Fascism and who is merely speaking out of their rear.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I know, I was just furthering a point.
    I know, I didn't feel like pursuing it any longer as this is not a gun control thread.
    Again, my apologies for my original gun comment.
    I am no longer talking guns on a thread meant to be about the innocent victims and the terrorists.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    The shooters manifesto talks of environmental justice and he admits to being a communist.
    that's why lefties are being hush hush about this.

    for a while I thought the looneys were being a little too slow to blame the alt-right.
    Not every political ideology can be wrapped up in a perfect cute little American package:

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So President Trump is responsible for this horror? Unbelievable.
    Comments like his are reprehensible.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Not every political ideology can be wrapped up in a perfect cute little American package:

    ‘Bio-Nazis’ go green in Germany – POLITICO
    Its hilarious, the establishment Right is so anti-environment they think any kind of environmentalism equals Left Wing. Fascists will get their followers from whoever, and will tell any lie and paint any false picture they need to seize power.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So President Trump is responsible for this horror? Unbelievable.
    Directly? No. But his dog whistles aren't fooling anyone with half a brain:

    "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Directly? No. But his dog whistles aren't fooling anyone with half a brain:

    "I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."
    The most reprehensible quote uttered by probably any president ever.

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