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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What I find more disturbing is the fact that there are people who willingly share and reupload this monsters horrific video and manifesto, even after the original was taken down.

    And in the darkest corners of social media platforms and the internet, there are people who are celebrating this monster and what he did.
    I say we share the manifesto, let it be known what these vile human piles of feces stood for. We can ignore the ideologies of Far-Right terrorists, or we can educate people on what they are and how they are wrong so they are inoculated to their lies.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Sad news. My heart goes out to the victims.

    If the suspects were openly advocating extremist views on the net, then why didnt the Kiwi security forces put them under surveillance? This is a top to bottom failure.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Interview after interview of Muslim Kiwis not blaming the West. Just being normal caring humans.

    Reporters in near tears... we dont get stuff like this...

    Stop debating politics or diverting from a few disgusting people murdering innocent unarmed people. This is very like the Charlotte attack on Muslims.

    The attackers are Aussies who hate immigrants... news flash... they are immigrants. Difference is they are white making this a racist attack.

    I think the attackers share a lot in common with Anders breivik in terms of ideological motivation.
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    All terror is evil. By whomsoever, against whomsoever. I'm generally against the death penalty but right now I regret that NZ no longer hangs people. Any lesser penalty is imo an affront to justice.

    We should be careful about assuming all terrorists are psychotic. When it comes to trial the defense, in this case as in others, may try an insanity plea in an attempt to get a lighter sentence.
    Totally fair point. But I doubt you could argue that some mental deficiency isn't in place when dealing with something like this. Honestly, I don't care about motives or insanity on something like this. Remove them from society. Personally I prefer life locked up, but I wouldn't argue against death. As long as they can no longer hurt people, I will accept it. For this many deaths, I would accept both insanity and death penalty, but I'm not in charge.
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    If one points out he is a loon, and motivated by irrational fears associated with the right, then I think it a fair description.
    What evidence is there that he is mentally psychotic? This has no basis in the reporting thus far. And many on the Right such as Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern who have hundreds of thousands of followers each, would say that it is a totally rational fear towards what they call the "Great Replacement." It seems to be not all that irrational to commit violence against people you perceive are committing a genocide against your race.

    However, it is also worth noting that so-called terrorism motivated by mental illness and terrorism motivated by ideology can be different.
    He declared that "they will never replace our people," I think its obvious that this is at least partially motivated by ideology and that of a Far-Right persuasion.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What I find more disturbing is the fact that there are people who willingly share and reupload this monsters horrific video and manifesto, even after the original was taken down.

    And in the darkest corners of social media platforms and the internet, there are people who are celebrating this monster and what he did.
    Which is one reason why I am not on Facebook, Twitter or any other of the anti-social media.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Lots of outright stupid posts since I commented on stupid posts. Just gonna let you expose how idiotically these posts try to blame the right or left or whoever over a mental deficient. Next time someone of the opposing philosophy kills someone, we will enjoy watching you try to defend it. Turns out that if you are stupid enough to think killing folks is a good idea, you don't represent any majority left in the world.

    No one with half a brain kills people. All the major parties represent that they have at least a basic intelligence.

    But go ahead. Turn this political and show that these lives mean nothing more to you than furthering your idiotic cause.
    Mental people who simply want to kill others get a gun, go to a mall or theater or hotel and start spraying bullets randomly towards the crowd (recall the Nevada shooter). If one makes a choice to target a specific group of people, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Blacks or whatever he expresses some form of a radicalized ideology on top of any possible mental issues..

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Late to this horrible horrible news.

    The views expressed by the attackers are disgusting and reading that the attacker went back to re-shoot people to make sure they were dead - I'm lost at such barbarity.

    R.I.P. all the innocent dead from the two mosques.
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Interview after interview of Muslim Kiwis not blaming the West. Just being normal caring humans.

    Reporters in near tears... we dont get stuff like this...

    Stop debating politics or diverting from a few disgusting people murdering innocent unarmed people. This is very like the Charlotte attack on Muslims.

    The attackers are Aussies who hate immigrants... news flash... they are immigrants. Difference is they are white making this a racist attack.
    From what I read only one was a confirmed Aussie. How sure are you that none of the attackers are native Kiwis?

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Totally fair point. But I doubt you could argue that some mental deficiency isn't in place when dealing with something like this. Honestly, I don't care about motives or insanity on something like this. Remove them from society. Personally I prefer life locked up, but I wouldn't argue against death. As long as they can no longer hurt people, I will accept it. For this many deaths, I would accept both insanity and death penalty, but I'm not in charge.
    You're only harping on this point over and over again because you don't want to acknowledge that there was a clearly ideological element to this. Where did he shoot up Keridan? Pinning this violence on the mentally ill and developmentally disabled is an insult to them.

    No, he thought the Muslims "invaders" and that as long as the "white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands." These are lies spread on popular Right Wing channels, like Stefan Molyneux and Lauren Southern. THIS is a problem that we cannot just ignore and just say, "meh, must have been a few murderous morons."

    Ideas have consequences, and the blood of the innocents lie with those who promote such vile lies.

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