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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Well, technically any post pretending this selection of psychotic idiots represents any ideology besides their own, but yes, that applies to the moronic post he was responding to.

    I would hope those who feel comfortable assigning this horrific incident to any American ideology don't take the time to vote.

    How about we realize mental retardation and insanity leads to killing people instead of trying to pretend everyone on the right or left is ready to pick up a gun and kill people because it suits the picture we wish it represented.

    It takes a moron to assume anyone ready to kill dozens of people represents a whole party.
    You are aware the far right exists outside the US......right? While certain themes—-like the obsession with the fantasy about an “invasion” and fantasies about Muslims “replacing white people” are the same, these are all distinct groups.

    So no, pointing out that this loon was far right is perfectly valid.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    The stuff on this thread is disgusting. At least some of it is.

    There are many people on here who simply want to acknowledge that this is one of the most disgusting acts we've ever seen. It's horrible. People are dead because some sickos got control of a situation in a normally peaceful country and killed tons of innocents. It's horrific. Advertising based on their acts is horrific.

    Most people on both sides are in simple agreement here. We are horrified and I've seen people who I would consider hardcore party members (either side) drop all politics and realize this is something to be lamented.

    Then there are disgusting members of society who have tried to turn this into some sort of political win (I'm looking at you, Hatuey, even if I get punished by mods for saying this). What kind of disturbed failure of a human wants to pretend these are normal members of the opposing party and even human beings. This is disgusting. You only matter enough to mention on such an important thread because of your failure to show a sign of humanity.

    All this aside, my laments join those of most of this board. This is one of the sickest things I have seen. I would like to see fewer details and cheap advertisement, but I'm less worried about that than the completely unnecessary loss of human life and innocent people suffering. I'm proud so many members have set aside the BS and joined together in our hopes that this kind of thing never happens again.

    My wish is that we somehow find a way to identify and correct the broken people who would ever think something like this was their best course of action. Whatever form that takes. My sympathies to the families of those who have suffered such a loss here.
    Better to ignore the root cause of the horrific event though, and just give our condolences. Right Wing terrorism is real, and the lies which inform it are extremely volatile. They literally believe they are experiencing a genocide against their people. This isn't about psychological madness, this is about ideological madness. Sorry if that's inconvenient for you, but some of us have to grapple with reality if you and others are going to refuse.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    What is more disgusting? The fact that this monster live streamed his murderous rampage and posted it and his manifesto on social media? Or the fact that there are people who willingly shared that video and reuploaded it to Twitter After Twitter had taken the original down?
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    What I shared is being commonly reported.

    Shortly before the shooting, someone appearing to be the gunman publicly posted links to a manifesto on Twitter and 8chan, an online forum. The 8chan post included a link to what appeared to be the gunman’s Facebook page, where he said he would soon broadcast live video of the attack.
    Source: New Zealand Police Say Multiple Deaths in 2 Mosque Shootings in Christchurch - The New York Times

    I merely posted an aggregate of several sources via Wikipedia after I had verified the links and information.

    Is that how you game the system here, call the post idiotic instead of the poster?
    Quote Originally Posted by ralphcdp View Post
    How many Muslims have died at the hands of the US/UK/... military?
    Lots of outright stupid posts since I commented on stupid posts. Just gonna let you expose how idiotically these posts try to blame the right or left or whoever over a mental deficient. Next time someone of the opposing philosophy kills someone, we will enjoy watching you try to defend it. Turns out that if you are stupid enough to think killing folks is a good idea, you don't represent any majority left in the world.

    No one with half a brain kills people. All the major parties represent that they have at least a basic intelligence.

    But go ahead. Turn this political and show that these lives mean nothing more to you than furthering your idiotic cause.
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Well, technically any post pretending this selection of psychotic idiots represents any ideology besides their own, but yes, that applies to the moronic post he was responding to.

    I would hope those who feel comfortable assigning this horrific incident to any American ideology don't take the time to vote.

    How about we realize mental retardation and insanity leads to killing people instead of trying to pretend everyone on the right or left is ready to pick up a gun and kill people because it suits the picture we wish it represented.

    It takes a moron to assume anyone ready to kill dozens of people represents a whole party.

    All terror is evil. By whomsoever, against whomsoever. I'm generally against the death penalty but right now I regret that NZ no longer hangs people. Any lesser penalty is imo an affront to justice.

    We should be careful about assuming all terrorists are psychotic. When it comes to trial the defense, in this case as in others, may try an insanity plea in an attempt to get a lighter sentence.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What is more disgusting? The fact that this monster live streamed his murderous rampage and posted it and his manifesto on social media? Or the fact that there are people who willingly shared that video and reuploaded it to Twitter After Twitter had taken the original down?
    Both are disgusting. But the terrorist who made the video (which I not seen and will not watch) is the more disgusting by several orders of magnitude.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What is more disgusting? The fact that this monster live streamed his murderous rampage and posted it and his manifesto on social media? Or the fact that there are people who willingly shared that video and reuploaded it to Twitter After Twitter had taken the original down?
    Interview after interview of Muslim Kiwis not blaming the West. Just being normal caring humans.

    Reporters in near tears... we dont get stuff like this...

    Stop debating politics or diverting from a few disgusting people murdering innocent unarmed people. This is very like the Charlotte attack on Muslims.

    The attackers are Aussies who hate immigrants... news flash... they are immigrants. Difference is they are white making this a racist attack.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Lots of outright stupid posts since I commented on stupid posts. Just gonna let you expose how idiotically these posts try to blame the right or left or whoever over a mental deficient. Next time someone of the opposing philosophy kills someone, we will enjoy watching you try to defend it. Turns out that if you are stupid enough to think killing folks is a good idea, you don't represent any majority left in the world.

    No one with half a brain kills people. All the major parties represent that they have at least a basic intelligence.

    But go ahead. Turn this political and show that these lives mean nothing more to you than furthering your idiotic cause.
    Where did I say you or Republicans share his ideology? It exists in the US and the specific lies of White Genocide should be universally repudiated by the Right in America and Europe.

    I love how you chastise me for insulting posters, and you've called my posts idiotic and stupid MANY times already, which I frankly find insulting.

    Unless you yourself represent the specific ideology of white genocide, then I don't expect you to defend it, but your condemnation of it is certainly welcome.

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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    Both are disgusting. But the terrorist who made the video (which I not seen and will not watch) is the more disgusting by several orders of magnitude.
    What I find more disturbing is the fact that there are people who willingly share and reupload this monsters horrific video and manifesto, even after the original was taken down.

    And in the darkest corners of social media platforms and the internet, there are people who are celebrating this monster and what he did.
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    Re: Many Dead in New Zealand Mosque Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    You are aware the far right exists outside the US......right? While certain themes—-like the obsession with the fantasy about an “invasion” and fantasies about Muslims “replacing white people” are the same, these are all distinct groups.

    So no, pointing out that this loon was far right is perfectly valid.
    If one points out he is a loon, and motivated by irrational fears associated with the right, then I think it a fair description. However, it is also worth noting that so-called terrorism motivated by mental illness and terrorism motivated by ideology can be different.

    Some people are born sick and gravitate to justifying ideologies , others who might lead a normal life are made sick by ideological indoctrination.

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