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I find it amazing how much you believe you know after moving to this country vs. someone who has been in this country for over 72 years. Is it possible you are little biased because you live in California and pay attention only to the media or spend so much time in this forum that is filled with people just like you, people who are either unable to compete in our economy or have a vested interest in the failure of this country?

Donald Trump has done absolutely nothing to hurt you, your family, or the country other than try to return power to the states which obviously in your state is a wasted effort as your state is a taker of those mandates the federal bureaucrats dish out, violates immigration laws, promotes higher cost of living with so called free stuff to illegals and those in poverty giving you the vision you have of this country. Your state is filled with the most selfish individuals I have ever seen thus this is what you evaluate America on.

Sorry but if you want the socialist economy you see to promote I suggest moving back and living it instead of being here in a country that promotes equal opportunity NOT equal outcome. Don't put too much stake in what you read or the last election results where 48% of the electorate voted vs. 60% in Presidential elections. We have a silent majority in this country too busy working and taking care of their families vs being in a debate forum like you or me as I am retired.

Unlike you as I have stated I learned personal responsibility growing up, I learned that if I needed help I could go to my neighbor and that neighbor wasn't a federal bureaucrat. I did't grow up in a 4.4 trillion dollar federal gov't and yet somehow I survived, raised two great kids who also understand personal responsibility and know where to go when they need help, not to the federal gov't

Too bad you never learned those principles or even any American values

Do not give me a lecture about personal responsibility when your generation grew up with GI loans, 90% high tax rates on the rich and when it accumulated massive debt which you are now ready to transfer to future generations. It was the failure of YOUR generation to keep America great which makes people on both right and left today eager to see a change!
 
I don’t know which is worse.

I mean this kind of comment is nothing new for Trump and is red meat for a good portion of his supporters that really are authoritarians at heart.

I find it more distasteful that the president of the United States does interviews with the likes of Brietbart, a scumbag propaganda organization masquerading as a news outlet.

Then again he’s appeared on Alex Jones before so it’s a step up I suppose.



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All apologies if it offends anyone. My bad.
 
Naw, mostly people who are/were fed up about putting everyone except them....first....that's the main message, and people STILL don't pick up on that...it's amazing.

Exactly, people who want themselves to be put first instead of other people. Sure sounds like those who would vote for Trump, selfish.
 
Blah, blah, blah.

There is not one ounce of sense in your remark above. It's all pompous fakery - like the "Socialist state of California".

All you know how to do is rebut with boring sarcasm. Not one bit of factual data is presented.

Go away. You are wasting bandwidth ... !

So sorry that actual facts get in the way of your opinion as most of the radical left are walking advertisements for school vouchers to prevent going to the school that educated them
 
Do not give me a lecture about personal responsibility when your generation grew up with GI loans, 90% high tax rates on the rich and when it accumulated massive debt which you are now ready to transfer to future generations. It was the failure of YOUR generation to keep America great which makes people on both right and left today eager to see a change!

Massive debt was accumulated by radicals who spent money in the name of compassion but never generated compassionate results. It is a waste of time trying to educate someone who came to this country because of whatever reason and now wants to change it to the country he left. My generation is indeed responsible for a lot of the problems today by creating the entitlement mentality so many have but that didn't come from me. I help my kids but my kids have accepted their personal responsibility when will you?
 
SO you believe you represent American values? Can you tell me what neighbor helping neighbor means? Another person who believes the socialist state of California should elect the President, that doesn't show American values. The state with the most in poverty, the most homeless, the largest wage gap, the lowest quality of life is a beacon for you to focus on and work to create a country on those issues?

For some reason you believe a bureaucrat in D.C. is someone to handle social problems and not your state or local community. where did you develop this belief and attitude? Ever consider that if the federal Gov't didn't tax so much that the states would have more money to take over those responsibilities as they should?

Why would someone trust their local community to help them when so many are turning to things such as "HOAs" to police their fellow community members to ensure that their personal property rates don't "decrease" (which could not possibly be measured accurately for the vast majority of things that the HOAs generally restrict). Our HOA threatens fines for someone planting trees or putting up any fencing other than one of two they approve or painting their house without getting prior approval or building up their property or doing so many other things. How exactly is that "neighbor helping neighbor"? Or maybe like the Christian taxpreparer who refuses to do certain couples' tax returns only because of who they married. Or Trump's own words that were aimed at keeping the divide between those who support him and those who don't.
 
Massive debt was accumulated by radicals who spent money in the name of compassion but never generated compassionate results. It is a waste of time trying to educate someone who came to this country because of whatever reason and now wants to change it to the country he left. My generation is indeed responsible for a lot of the problems today by creating the entitlement mentality so many have but that didn't come from me. I help my kids but my kids have accepted their personal responsibility when will you?

Massive debt was actually a result of republican presidents. Clinton had surpluses. Do not try to educate anyone because you are clueless. And stop trying to teach us anything about CA when you live in Texas. You just show your inferiority complex when you constantly try to bash a state for which you know nothing! Yes, liberals also do not like the culture in Texas but I have not seen such obsession of constantly talking about that state. If you want political discussion in any thread where we discuss such things, then have th decency to have such discussion instead of trying to make the conversation personal talking about my and your personal life and choices.
 
Massive debt was accumulated by radicals who spent money in the name of compassion but never generated compassionate results. It is a waste of time trying to educate someone who came to this country because of whatever reason and now wants to change it to the country he left. My generation is indeed responsible for a lot of the problems today by creating the entitlement mentality so many have but that didn't come from me. I help my kids but my kids have accepted their personal responsibility when will you?

LOL Most of the debt was accumulated during Republican administrations who all cut taxes and increased spending. I GW Bush's case he not only doubled the debt but crashed the economy so bad that we had trillion $ deficits for years after he left office.

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I'm with Nancy Pelosi regarding impeachment. Trump has too many men protecting him. Both republicans and democrats are reciting the 'let's wait for the report' phrase. That's fine and that's fair. We all know how the right can contort and deflect anything in order to justify it. Ultimately, I don't believe that a single republican would vote for impeachment even if Mueller or the SDNY had absolute, concrete, irrefutable proof of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Robert Mueller knows that he's working against the clock, but he's a man with a reputation of impeccable integrity and will not finalize his report if there's even one page un-turned or one lead not followed. Even if he understood that by delaying the investigation longer would certainly jeopardize the likelihood that republicans will step up and do the right thing, even then - he would no doubt abide by his lifelong commitment to moral and professional principles and finish when and only when he was confident there's no more to see.

I'm preparing myself for the moment it's released and there's no profound 'aha!' moment in his report in which both sides of Congress will point and say "that's it, we need to vote for impeachment!" I just don't think that's what's going to be in the Mueller report. I do however, think we'll see much of that in the investigations of the southern district. I think there will be a lot of crimes uncovered that will send a few people to prison.
Agreed... But Mueller was only a start.

I bet there are a lot of states right now looking at records for Trump resorts and how they were built and the tax loopholes which were used, and his declarations for all of them on state records.

It's like getting out of a 5 way fight alive, only to walk right into a cage full of pitbulls.



Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
Why would someone trust their local community to help them when so many are turning to things such as "HOAs" to police their fellow community members to ensure that their personal property rates don't "decrease" (which could not possibly be measured accurately for the vast majority of things that the HOAs generally restrict). Our HOA threatens fines for someone planting trees or putting up any fencing other than one of two they approve or painting their house without getting prior approval or building up their property or doing so many other things. How exactly is that "neighbor helping neighbor"? Or maybe like the Christian taxpreparer who refuses to do certain couples' tax returns only because of who they married. Or Trump's own words that were aimed at keeping the divide between those who support him and those who don't.

So you a have more trust in federal bureaucrats than local elected officials who have term limits? That is nothing more than liberal arrogance where the voters only matter when they support ideology that you believe in. Neighbor helping neighbor seems to concern you as apparently a federal bureaucrat who buys votes is a better neighbor because of course spending in the name of compassion is all that matters to you.
 
Massive debt was actually a result of republican presidents. Clinton had surpluses. Do not try to educate anyone because you are clueless. And stop trying to teach us anything about CA when you live in Texas. You just show your inferiority complex when you constantly try to bash a state for which you know nothing! Yes, liberals also do not like the culture in Texas but I have not seen such obsession of constantly talking about that state. If you want political discussion in any thread where we discuss such things, then have th decency to have such discussion instead of trying to make the conversation personal talking about my and your personal life and choices.

So we have been told about those Clinton surpluses and yet you have yet to post the Treasury data supporting that claim. Treasury data I see shows Clinton adding 1.4 trillion to the debt. You continue to show how easy it is to indoctrinate people because actual data doesn't resonate with you. Oh, by the way Clinton had a Republican Congress that gave Clinton less than he wanted but still never created a surplus. You see, you are showing that you aren't as smart as you think you are
 
LOL Most of the debt was accumulated during Republican administrations who all cut taxes and increased spending. I GW Bush's case he not only doubled the debt but crashed the economy so bad that we had trillion $ deficits for years after he left office.

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Very pretty charts with great color. Irrelevant as percentage of GDP means nothing but the 9.3 trillion Obama added to the debt does. If you have a higher GDP then percentage really doesn't matter. We pay debt service on actual debt not percentage change

Also very interesting how you point to results but never the policies that generated those results which is where the focus should be. the severity of the recession was prolonged by poor economic policy generating those results.
 
Very pretty charts with great color. Irrelevant as percentage of GDP means nothing but the 9.3 trillion Obama added to the debt does. If you have a higher GDP then percentage really doesn't matter. We pay debt service on actual debt not percentage change

Also very interesting how you point to results but never the policies that generated those results which is where the focus should be. the severity of the recession was prolonged by poor economic policy generating those results.

Your ludicrous insistence that the Obama recovery was poor is typical of your blind partisanship. Most economists disagree and the truth is that our recovery was the fastest in the free world.



In all, given the starting point, the performance of the economy has been remarkable. The unemployment rate has consistently fallen faster than expected. US business has also added 15.6m jobs since private-sector job growth turned positive in 2010. Real wage growth has been faster in the present cycle than in any since the early 1970s. In the third quarter of 2016, the economy was 11.5 per cent bigger than at its pre-crisis peak and real gross domestic product per head was 4 per cent above the pre-crisis peak, while that of the eurozone was still below it. Household net worth has also reached 50 per cent above its 2008 level.

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Your ludicrous insistence that the Obama recovery was poor is typical of your blind partisanship. Most economists disagree and the truth is that our recovery was the fastest in the free world.





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LOL, guess I am not the only one. I feel very sorry for people like you who buy rhetoric and ignore results

Why the ‘Obama Recovery’ Took So Long - WSJ

Obama Wins The Gold For Worst Economic Recovery Ever

It's Trump's Booming Economy, Not Obama's | Investor's Business Daily

Steve Forbes: Worst recovery in American history

https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/05/news/economy/us-recovery-slowest-since-wwii/index.html
 
So you a have more trust in federal bureaucrats than local elected officials who have term limits? That is nothing more than liberal arrogance where the voters only matter when they support ideology that you believe in. Neighbor helping neighbor seems to concern you as apparently a federal bureaucrat who buys votes is a better neighbor because of course spending in the name of compassion is all that matters to you.

Considering how easy it is to manipulate either, absolutely. It is just as easy to manipulate that small group of voters in your area as it is to manipulate the much larger ones, easier in many ways in fact, since you live with that person, feel the effects of their policies far more than the vast majority of federal policies.

Of course, as usual, nothing you said here addressed any points I actually brought up, and just sort of made broad generalizations of what you think I believe or support based on your own misconceptions.
 

Citing figures like these, Obama’s critics claim that this has been the weakest recovery since the Second World War. But that ignores at least a couple of important measures. As the economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff have pointed out, Postwar business cycles are not the right comparator for the severe crises that have swept advanced economies in recent years.” The Great Recession of 2008 and 2009 wasn’t a normal recession. It was an old-fashioned financial bust, and it always takes economies a long time to recover fully from those—if they ever do. Japan took two decades to rebound from a financial bust in the early nineteen-nineties. Much of Europe still hasn’t recovered from the Great Recession.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/obamas-economic-record-an-assessment
 

And too many people expect historic trends to apply to a very changed and advanced world. That simply isn't how it is or should work. Many factors related to things completely outside of the President's control led to a slower than normal recovery. Of course normal is relative when it comes to this sort of situation anyways, since we are basing our perception of what a normal recovery should look like off of times that were completely different in what actually went into affecting the economy.

https://news.stanford.edu/2017/08/08/long-simmering-factors-derailed-economic-recovery/
 
Considering how easy it is to manipulate either, absolutely. It is just as easy to manipulate that small group of voters in your area as it is to manipulate the much larger ones, easier in many ways in fact, since you live with that person, feel the effects of their policies far more than the vast majority of federal policies.

Of course, as usual, nothing you said here addressed any points I actually brought up, and just sort of made broad generalizations of what you think I believe or support based on your own misconceptions.

Everything you and the radical left post is based upon feelings, emotions, rumors never posting actual fiscal data to support the opinions. Focusing on results does address your points which is probably why you never do that

All this talk from the left about popular vote yet claims that local communities aren't doing their job with the popular vote electing them and each having term limits. Why the double standard?
 
And too many people expect historic trends to apply to a very changed and advanced world. That simply isn't how it is or should work. Many factors related to things completely outside of the President's control led to a slower than normal recovery. Of course normal is relative when it comes to this sort of situation anyways, since we are basing our perception of what a normal recovery should look like off of times that were completely different in what actually went into affecting the economy.

Long-simmering factors derailed economic recovery | Stanford News

Keep making up excuses for failure, the results speak for themselves, 9.3 trillion added to the debt to create 6 million new jobs and add 4.2 trillion to GDP with 842 billion stimulus included in that number
 

That's because context doesn't matter to you, a job lost that returns is a new job created in that liberal world when the reality Obama left us with 152 million employed of which 6 million were part time for economic reasons when the number was 146 million when the recession started

the one thing that is right the 2008-09 recession was different than most as fewer Americans were affected than any other recession in history, this was a financial recession that affected the banks but not the average American. Europe didn't recover because most of their economy is due to gov't spending whereas ours is private sector.
 
Exactly, people who want themselves to be put first instead of other people. Sure sounds like those who would vote for Trump, selfish.

LOL I guess that's one way to look at it,

I guess the main difference is that people think the homeless in America should be helped FIRST by Americans, rather than the homeless in Syria helped FIRST by Americans.....

Show me any country that doesn't do that......I believe we are one of a very very few.

No one is saying NOT to help others, but it's at the point now where people in America are being ignored, for people NOT in America, or NOT in America legally,

Why?
 
Everything you and the radical left post is based upon feelings, emotions, rumors never posting actual fiscal data to support the opinions. Focusing on results does address your points which is probably why you never do that

All this talk from the left about popular vote yet claims that local communities aren't doing their job with the popular vote electing them and each having term limits. Why the double standard?

According to you, yet your personal feelings have been show quite often on here. Plenty of people, including myself, have posted things that counter everything you say, and yet you continually stand by arguments that either don't address what is being put out at all or don't support what the overall argument actually is.

There are plenty of flaws in every form of government, some more than others, just as there are flaws in every form of voting. My contention is not with how we vote for someone to be in office, but rather the simple basics of human mentality and votes in general (something that is simply a downside of how our system works), people are not going to always vote for the person who is most logically fit for the job or who will be the best for that job (out of a given set of candidates), especially since why we vote for someone in the first place is going to be very much related to how we feel our government should work, which is absolutely subjective. Not everyone's idea on how government should work is consistent with the Constitution, and this is found to be the case far more in local government policies than federal policies, likely just due to the fact that our local governments have far more personal impact on our lives than most federal laws/policies do.
 
LOL I guess that's one way to look at it,

I guess the main difference is that people think the homeless in America should be helped FIRST by Americans, rather than the homeless in Syria helped FIRST by Americans.....

Show me any country that doesn't do that......I believe we are one of a very very few.

No one is saying NOT to help others, but it's at the point now where people in America are being ignored, for people NOT in America, or NOT in America legally,

Why?

Unless that means building a wall or sending money to Israel over helping our troops and the homeless? Pretty much any policy that a certain President feels is absolutely necessary is more important than those things as well, right?

I'm for bringing the money home from all countries, and also not wasting it in things that will not actually help Americans. Pretty sure the Court battles over things like Same sex marriage weren't really helping Americans, yet some thought it was necessary over helping the homeless.

Don't even presume to call out wasteful spending on one side when the other is showing at least as much wasteful spending that does not actually help Americans but rather just personal interests.
 
Unless that means building a wall or sending money to Israel over helping our troops and the homeless? Pretty much any policy that a certain President feels is absolutely necessary is more important than those things as well, right?

I'm for bringing the money home from all countries, and also not wasting it in things that will not actually help Americans. Pretty sure the Court battles over things like Same sex marriage weren't really helping Americans, yet some thought it was necessary over helping the homeless.

Don't even presume to call out wasteful spending on one side when the other is showing at least as much wasteful spending that does not actually help Americans but rather just personal interests.

I called out a side with that post? Are you just in a defensive mood tonight?
 
Keep making up excuses for failure, the results speak for themselves, 9.3 trillion added to the debt to create 6 million new jobs and add 4.2 trillion to GDP with 842 billion stimulus included in that number

The results do speak for themselves, when read with enough intelligence to realize the whole picture, not a cherrypicked few points that refuse to recognize the reality. I don't see you throwing a cow about the added debt from this President when every economists says that cutting taxes is a stupid thing to do during a recovery, regardless of how slow you feel it is. No one intelligent is fooled by your continued failure in what you post and the context that is missing from it, not to mention the hypocrisy in not calling out Trump for such things when he is doing it against the advice of almost every economist out there.
 
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