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Trump suggests that it could get 'very bad' if military, police, biker supporters play 'tough'

mrdeltoid said:
I can tell you as a “BIKER”, we are definitely not guided by the government. Quite the contrary. We are constantly harrased by them.
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At any rate, the Chief Executive of this government has a special treat for you.
 
GDViking said:
The thing to watch is the very small percentage of people in the military that would follow trump into civil war (mostly white supremists).

These are people with access to weapons and munitions,, that could easily be planning on stealing and stock piling in preparation for trump to give the word...
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If that recent Coast Guard officer is any indication, they've already done their stockpiling.

:shoot

:duel

:boom
 
Conservative said:
Unlike those with Trump Derangement Syndrome with 24/7 Trump bashing and total diversion from the results that the American people are seeing
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It's nice that you want to give him credit, but my advice to you: take your money out of equities for the time being. Find a nice, solid, reputable bond fund.
 
haymarket said:
You could be correct about the margin. But I do feel that the narrower the margin, the greater the likelihood of Trump not going peacefully.
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If you were in his shoes, you'd want to stay, too. Because the minute he leaves, the handcuffs go on.
 
Idiometer said:
If you were in his shoes, you'd want to stay, too. Because the minute he leaves, the handcuffs go on.
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It may take longer than the minute he leaves.... but not by much. Trump is a crook and deserves a long time in prison.
 
Idiometer said:
If that recent Coast Guard officer is any indication, they've already done their stockpiling.

:shoot

:duel

:boom
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Yip anyone who has been in the military knew a few people that were just sketchy as hell...
 
Buzz62 said:
:lamo
You Lefties are so...dumb.

Do you not think that this 24/7 assault on half the population of the USA, is not eventually gonna blow up in all your faces?
Not one of you can properly articulate what Trump's actually DONE to deserve this assault, so you make up lies like the "Very fine people" lie, to serve you. NEWS FLASH! Trump NEVER called blatantly racist people, nor did he ever call blatantly self-serving whiny little bitches, "Very fine people". He SAID that SOME of the people at that ****-show, were likely "Very fine people". And THAT...Mr. Idiometer who's every post proudly exhibits a GUN, is the truth you fine Idiometers think your the holy bearers of.

YOUR PRESIDENT is trying to warn you 'touchy-feely' angry mob types, that despite your constant droning and claims of moral and intellectual superiority, you're pissing off a segment of the population that you don't want to **** with. Perhaps, instead of being the typical mob of dumb-ass fascists, you should try to get along with your fellow Americans?
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Oh STOP! You're scaring me!

:eek:

Half? Nah, nope, sorry, but MAYBE as much as 34%.

He isn't trying to warn us, he's trying to work you up into a nice, sticky lather, get you screaming at the other 66% of us, maybe even get you to shoot at us. There's no down side for him either way. His only play here is to keep us thinking that we can't indict a sitting president, while staying in that office at all costs -- not to him, of course, but to you and me. As soon as he turns over that office, on go the handcuffs. If you shoot me dead out on Pennsylvania Avenue, or vice versa, do you really think he'd give a ****?

:moon:

:2rofll:
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The body count is ZERO.
Yes, I did say that he's encouraging cops, military and biker gangs to attack his critics. There's no other way to look at it if you admit that there's no "body count" from what he claims is "the violent left".

You're in denial.
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Wrong. That poster is not in denial, he is lying. A very different thing.

Like Cohen said to Congress, Trump speaks to you indirectly but you know just what he wants. All his cult knows what he says and what he means just as we do.
 
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Conservative said:
Then that is your state problem not anyone else's supply will never grow until you relax regulations and create incentive.
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Strawman...

I never claimed that it is TX's problem or that Texas should fix it. I said (and explained) why California's housing cost is not a result of its "socialist" economic policies.
 
Helix said:
it's frustrating that the best way to fight back against this debacle is mainly the Democratic party. i don't see how a political system that is basically a forced false dichotomy can produce good results long term. i also see little hope that this is going to change any time soon.
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I think there is a lot to draw from this, a lot to reflect on.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I don’t know which is worse.

I mean this kind of comment is nothing new for Trump and is red meat for a good portion of his supporters that really are authoritarians at heart.

I find it more distasteful that the president of the United States does interviews with the likes of Brietbart, a scumbag propaganda organization masquerading as a news outlet.

Then again he’s appeared on Alex Jones before so it’s a step up I suppose.
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And sleazeball Howard Stern.
 
bongsaway said:
I think if folks start taking to the streets with firearms, there are going to be a lot of his supporters killed by the police and national guard he says supports him. That is just stupid talk from a stupid man who only cares about himself.
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Not a good thought but in the event this were to happen it would depend on the issue. Just hope its not about taking guns away. If it is it will be bad and lots of gun owners and folks in the military are one in the same.
 
pamak said:
Strawman...

I never claimed that it is TX's problem or that Texas should fix it. I said (and explained) why California's housing cost is not a result of its "socialist" economic policies.
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I asked you how to correct the supply problem and you ignored it. Your housing problem is a simple supply and demand problem complicated by socialist/liberal economic policies
 
HumblePi said:
I think that Trump's back is against the wall. He's struggling to get this wall done in order to maintain his base for 2020. But in the meantime, investigations that are just ramping up on his finances, family and other shady transactions are just starting to become a real thing for him. He absolutely has to win re-election in 2020, there's just no other way for him to avoid indictments once he leaves office. The only other thing he could do, if he's desperate enough, is to pull off a military coup. He can try to just simply overthrow the government and unconstitutionally seize power. He's threatened it in a veiled way in the rhetoric he stated today.
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Pentagon chiefs and field commanders would never act to destroy democracy.

The high command would act only to restore democracy.

Trump saying the military supports him is more bluster out of his ass. Trump's support among the rank and file is approximately the same as his support base in the general society. It's more or less, by each service, as online polls demonstrate by Military Times to name one prominent private publication consumed by armed forces personnel at home and globally. Trump doesn't get to 50% support in any branch of military service, with Marines giving the highest support and Navy the least support (along with AF). Officers across the armed services give much less support to Trump than enlisted do, to include nco enlisted.

Among the top commanders at Pentagon and in the field, Trump's support shrinks to a tiny number. Indeed, of the 80+ retired generals and admirals of one star to four stars who endorsed Trump during the campaign, only a dozen or so continue to speak up for Trump while the mass of 'em have gone silent.

It's anyway the case that a coup d'etat in the United States is an enormous and complicated undertaking that's never been done here, nor is there any model of it abroad that is suitable to the USA. There are 50 states each with its own governors, legislatures, judiciary, National Guard, police forces, firefighting forces, county and municipal governments, very many of which have military bases of the service branches. These civilian factor forces could help or hinder a coup depending on who orders it and why, and for what purpose.

Joint Chiefs would necessarily be the commanders of a coup given they sit together at Pentagon and each chief is chief of his branch of service. The current chairman Marine Gen. Joe Dunford is not reliable to either side and would tend to oppose any action either way. If Trump wanted a coup he'd have to bypass Dunford. If the joint chiefs wanted one they'd have to do the same. For Trump that would be a problem as the chiefs would fall in behind Dunford to do nothing. If the chiefs wanted a coup to restore lost democracy it wouldn't be a problem either as the incoming chairman, Army chief of staff Mark Milley runs the joint chiefs anyway and he's the guy the JCS would fall in behind automatically to restore lost democracy.

A coup in USA is so enormous and complicated an undertaking that it would need to be limited to the Washington DC metro area and region and certain key cities and armed forces installations in USA. Decisive to it is the US Northern Command which is at Peterson AFB in Colorado. The three star general or 3-star admiral who commands Northern Command leads all five armed services in the defense of the continental USA. Whoever might initiate a coup would need his cooperation, or his acceptance, or his leadership. This is the vial command to execute the coup. JCS can design a coup but they'd need to order a commander to execute it, and that would be the Lt.-Gen or Vice Adm. in charge of Northern Command. It's anyway the case that one of the JCS could insert himself in command of NC, from Pentagon.

The troops at the southern border come from U.S. Northern Command. NC has been withdrawing small numbers of the troops and sending 'em back to their bases in the US, thus reducing the number of bored and agitated troops that had been assigned since back before the election. When Trump got wind of the incremental but consistent withdrawals he went berzerk. So Pentagon grabbed 2500 troops from NC 5th Army to replace the drawn down troops of 5th Army. Pentagon sent mostly fresh troops who hadn't been deployed to begin with to avoid problems of morale and discipline among the troops who'd spent months at the southern border bored and aggravated. When I was stationed at Ft. Myer Virginia next to the Pentagon, the infantry regiment I was in is part of 5th Army Group. Fifth Army is the main force of the Northern Command. NC has a couple of Marine Infantry regiments; NC also has considerable air forces and some navy.
 
Conservative said:
I asked you how to correct the supply problem and you ignored it. Your housing problem is a simple supply and demand problem complicated by socialist/liberal economic policies
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The difference between me and you is that I realize that I do not have a magic plan under the current economic system. In this environment, the solution will come by the gradual shift of demographics where people will start moving from very expensive states to less expensive ones (as it is already starts happening). Still, I see the government taking some positive measures to help (but not solve) the housing crisis in the form of reducing income inequality and extreme poverty, reducing the inflow of foreign capital invested in properties (visas for investors should be tied to business and not property investment), making laws that require more transparency regarding the identity of foreign buyers and reduce the opportunities for money laundering, and increase government contracts for public housing through HUD. Changing regulations can also help, but as I said, I do not see how the government can enforce such changes on local communities.
 
pamak said:
The difference between me and you is that I realize that I do not have a magic plan under the current economic system. In this environment, the solution will come by the gradual shift of demographics where people will start moving from very expensive states to less expensive ones (as it is already starts happening). Still, I see the government taking some positive measures to help (but not solve) the housing crisis in the form of reducing income inequality and extreme poverty, reducing the inflow of foreign capital invested in properties (visas for investors should be tied to business and not property investment), making laws that require more transparency regarding the identity of foreign buyers and reduce the opportunities for money laundering, and increase government contracts for public housing through HUD. Changing regulations can also help, but as I said, I do not see how the government can enforce such changes on local communities.
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No the difference between you and me is you are a dreamer and I am a realist. Socialism doesn't work as it destroys incentive and leads to much worse economic results. Reducing income equality doesn't create supply of homes and supply is your problem as there is no incentive for builders to build in your state.

Don't worry about local communities, worry about what is going on nationally? LOL, your local communities have governments run by the people in those communities. California is a fiscal disaster and getting no better. Trump lost California by 4 million votes giving Hillary the popular vote win but that isn't the story, the story is liberalism/socialism is nothing but feel good rhetoric that creates nothing but dependence and that is what you are promoting. Soon you are going to run out of other people's money to spend

We have done quite well in the world in our short history with the economy we have, why would anyone support change especially you who earned your income in that economy. How does socialism create supply, incentive, and individual wealth creation? Trump has done more for this country in those areas than the left will ever admit
 
Conservative said:
No the difference between you and me is you are a dreamer and I am a realist. Socialism doesn't work as it destroys incentive and leads to much worse economic results. Reducing income equality doesn't create supply of homes and supply is your problem as there is no incentive for builders to build in your state.

Don't worry about local communities, worry about what is going on nationally? LOL, your local communities have governments run by the people in those communities. California is a fiscal disaster and getting no better. Trump lost California by 4 million votes giving Hillary the popular vote win but that isn't the story, the story is liberalism/socialism is nothing but feel good rhetoric that creates nothing but dependence and that is what you are promoting. Soon you are going to run out of other people's money to spend

We have done quite well in the world in our short history with the economy we have, why would anyone support change especially you who earned your income in that economy. How does socialism create supply, incentive, and individual wealth creation? Trump has done more for this country in those areas than the left will ever admit
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Bunch of fox news hot air right here, folks.
 
Conservative said:
No the difference between you and me is you are a dreamer and I am a realist.
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IMHO, your posts do not show you to be very deep in thought. Rather they seem to show that you have chosen a tribe and just repeat their mantras, rather mindlessly. I see it over and over again with you.

There is nothing realistic about your posts. Instead, your posts show an acceptance of an ideology that is riddled with mistrusts and designed to benefit the wealthy. Now, I admit you were directly targeted with this propaganda but at some point I would hope you could think as an individual not as a loud mouthed droid for your master.

Just my observation.

I did not mean to cut in on your conversation with the other poster.
 
Meanwhile, the President is threatening voters who might vote against him with physical harm if they do so. What can be done?
 
Obscurity said:
Bunch of fox news hot air right here, folks.
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Indeed. No free thought whatsoever. Strictly a mindless droid approach.

Posts like that are very upsetting because it shows how people view themselves in a complete contrast to reality.

A post like that exhibits great fear. How does one live such a fear filled life? It must be very hard. They are so emotionally weak they walk around with guns! They fixate on guns for their safety. Ignoring facts because the emotional need is so great.

and they don't understand why they do what they do and they close their ears when i take the time to educate them.
 
Conservative said:
No the difference between you and me is you are a dreamer and I am a realist. Socialism doesn't work as it destroys incentive and leads to much worse economic results. Reducing income equality doesn't create supply of homes and supply is your problem as there is no incentive for builders to build in your state.

Don't worry about local communities, worry about what is going on nationally? LOL, your local communities have governments run by the people in those communities. California is a fiscal disaster and getting no better. Trump lost California by 4 million votes giving Hillary the popular vote win but that isn't the story, the story is liberalism/socialism is nothing but feel good rhetoric that creates nothing but dependence and that is what you are promoting. Soon you are going to run out of other people's money to spend

We have done quite well in the world in our short history with the economy we have, why would anyone support change especially you who earned your income in that economy. How does socialism create supply, incentive, and individual wealth creation? Trump has done more for this country in those areas than the left will ever admit
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Well, even the failed economic system of soviet socialism was capable of solving at least one problem, that of homelessness. So, I do not buy the ida that is unrealistic to have government solutions of democratic socialism which can more effective than the market system approach. Recall again, that despite the pro-market culture in Texas, the fact is that the poverty rate there is higher than in CA when one does not factor the housing cost which cannot be compared between states with different demographic density and consumer demand . Part of the reason people seem to be upset with the :establishment today is because they seem to recognize that the ideology of surrendering most of the powers to the private market in the hope of having an economic tide that will lift al boats does not seem to work for a big percentage of people in the US.

As for the local communities. the current legal system simply makes it almost impossible to have a government dictate to the local population decisions about how to organize their communities (and this is actually a good thing!) Notice how difficult it is even for the powerful federal government to enforce actual federal law on immigration in sanctuary cities.

Yes, we have done quite well in the world because for the most part of the previous century we were playing alone since most competitors had ruined their economy either because of wars or because of communism or because of both of them (Soviet Union and China). Today, the environment is different, and our practices and ideologies should adjust to the new realities. You like it or not, it is impossible to keep stability in a society where income inequality continues to increase and a growing part of the population is left behind. This cannot go on forever...
 
If Trump runs in 2020 against an avowed democratic socialist, I will vote for the democratic socialist.

Now, let's assume that the democratic socialist wins by a narrow margin in both the popular vote, and in the Electoral College. Assume further that Trump claims that the election is invalid because millions of illegal immigrants voted against him, and refuses to leave office. What then?

My scenario for Trump's response to losing the next election is not likely, but it is certainly conceivable. What if it happens? I suspect there would be violence in parts of the country as right wingers riot against the election. Could the military and the police be counted on to put down the violence?
 
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SmartCat said:
If Trump runs in 2020 against an avowed democratic socialist, I will vote for the democratic socialist.

Now, let's assume that the democratic socialist wins by a narrow margin in both the popular vote, and in the Electoral College. Assume further that Trump claims that the election is invalid because millions of illegal immigrants voted against him. What then?

My scenario for Trump's response to losing the next election is not likely, but it is certainly conceivable. What if it happens? I suspect there would be violence in parts of the country as right wingers riot against the election. Could the military and the police be counted on to put down the violence?
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That is the key question. If the election is close, Trump will most likely cry and moan and make a lot of noise. Will he go as far as attempt to reverse it? I suspect he will.

And we will have a very real constitutional crisis on our hands ripping our nation apart.
 
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