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    Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Just breaking.



    WASHINGTON — The Republican-run Senate rejected President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southwest border on Thursday, setting up a veto fight and dealing him a conspicuous rebuke as he tested how boldly he could ignore Congress in pursuit of his highest-profile goal.



    The Senate voted 59-41 to cancel Trump's February proclamation of a border emergency, which he invoked to spend $3.6 billion more for border barriers than Congress had approved. Twelve Republicans joined Democrats in defying Trump in a showdown many GOP senators had hoped to avoid because he commands die-hard loyalty from millions of conservative voters who could punish defecting lawmakers in next year's elections.


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    I am not the least bit surprised. Are you?

    Actually I am surprised that 12 Republicans voted for this. That is a huge number. I figured it would be a half dozen.
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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    I am surprised that there were 12 defections from the GOP!




    PS Glad to to see that a recent Senate vote totals 100 votes, been a while since I remember seeing the full Senate chime in.
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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Next move is D.T. will veto it and it will go to court on the grounds that Congress holds the purse strings and can't abdicate a constitutional power to the Executive.
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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Short of a veto-proof majority, so this won't be final, but it does at least send a clear message to tRump.
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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Next move is D.T. will veto it and it will go to court on the grounds that Congress holds the purse strings and can't abdicate a constitutional power to the Executive.
    Ayep. This will be held up the courts forever.

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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Just breaking.



    WASHINGTON — The Republican-run Senate rejected President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southwest border on Thursday, setting up a veto fight and dealing him a conspicuous rebuke as he tested how boldly he could ignore Congress in pursuit of his highest-profile goal.



    The Senate voted 59-41 to cancel Trump's February proclamation of a border emergency, which he invoked to spend $3.6 billion more for border barriers than Congress had approved. Twelve Republicans joined Democrats in defying Trump in a showdown many GOP senators had hoped to avoid because he commands die-hard loyalty from millions of conservative voters who could punish defecting lawmakers in next year's elections.


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    I am not the least bit surprised. Are you?

    Actually I am surprised that 12 Republicans voted for this. That is a huge number. I figured it would be a half dozen.
    As they should, most people can see beyond the cult of Trump. The Trumpers of today are very unwise to not see that in 2 short years the Democrats may very well control the levers of power again. And if Democrats had their own version of Trump, a conspiracy theorist, wannabe king, Republicans would be calling for impeachment, some even secession!

    I'd like to say "This precedent is a grave concern for our country." even if those words are cliche. The precedent is there, whether or not you believe it's a grave concern is up to you. But, it will be an elephant in the room, whenever a Democrats wants to bypass Congress to fund Extra milk and Eggs for single mothers, because "the base wants it."
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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I am not the least bit surprised. Are you?

    Actually I am surprised that 12 Republicans voted for this. That is a huge number. I figured it would be a half dozen.
    With 59 votes against, I imagine there's a little bit of fretting going on in the White House about a possible veto override. The last thing any President wants to do, but especially one as concerned with vanity as this one, is to have a veto overridden, but especially with his party in the majority.

    I don't know if they could get to the magic number to override, but I bet there will be a lot of work being done behind the scenes.

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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Short of a veto-proof majority, so this won't be final, but it does at least send a clear message to tRump.
    Trump hasn’t done “messages” very well.
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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Anyone have a list of the 12? I can't find an article that lists all of them and the vote's not up on the Senate website yet.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston View Post
    As they should, most people can see beyond the cult of Trump. The Trumpers of today are very unwise to not see that in 2 short years the Democrats may very well control the levers of power again. And if Democrats had their own version of Trump, a conspiracy theorist, wannabe king, Republicans would be calling for impeachment, some even secession!

    I'd like to say "This precedent is a grave concern for our country." even if those words are cliche. The precedent is there, whether or not you believe it's a grave concern is up to you. But, it will be an elephant in the room, whenever a Democrats wants to bypass Congress to fund Extra milk and Eggs for single mothers, because "the base wants it."
    Completely agree with everything you said here.

    The Republicans, as it turns out, aren't as completely stupid as the election of Trump made them out to be. I mean, some obviously are. But at least 12 aren't.
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