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Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

cabse5 said:
He means (are you sitting down?) that congress shouldn't force him to do this, that congress should fix the problem which they haven't. Or is it just not a problem to you, the illegal border crossings?
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No, that isn't what he "means". He means what he said. He didn't need to do this because it isn't an emergency - he simply wanted it to "go faster". His own words.

If it was an emergency, it was an emergency when his party controlled Congress. He didn't declare one.

What I have a problem with is Trump lying and Trump supporters cheering him on for it.
 
Sabre said:
I view it as 12 RINO's lacked the spine to support their President. I will give the dems credit for one thing, no matter how rotten their officials are they stand behind them to keep their party intact.
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Ha, the RINO attack. Party before country every time . Do you consider yourself a constitutionalist conservative?
 
Marco Rubio's father was a bartender, and his mother was a maid in Las Vegas. Now there is a Trust Fund baby if I ever saw one!
 
cabse5 said:
He means (are you sitting down?) that congress shouldn't force him to do this, that congress should fix the problem which they haven't. Or is it just not a problem to you, the illegal border crossings?
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Oh, no. Don't you see? Drones. Drones will stop these people from crossing. A Wall? Are you crazy? How will a wall impede someone from continue on? Oh, and they carry 20 foot ladders with them wherever they go. They just hop over the wall, takes two seconds. No problem. But a drone? Well, that stops them dead, they don't even try.

At least that's what the geniuses on the left tell us. Must be true.
 
SCrider said:
Trumps action goes against everything "conservatives" claim to stand for. this vote should have been 100 to 0.
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Since you aren't conservative...me, neither) Conservatives believe in the rule of law. The rule of law in this case is the legislation already in existence to prevent illegal border crossings. So, you're wrong that conservatives would be against this to a person.
 
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tres borrachos said:
If he thinks it's an emergency, why did he say he "didn't need to do this"?

You can't have it both ways.
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Don't you know?

"I didn't need to do this" is Trump speak for ""the sky is falling".
 
tres borrachos said:
No, that isn't what he "means". He means what he said. He didn't need to do this because it isn't an emergency - he simply wanted it to "go faster". His own words.

If it was an emergency, it was an emergency when his party controlled Congress. He didn't declare one.

What I have a problem with is Trump lying and Trump supporters cheering him on for it.
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Yep. It was just a means of getting around Congress, as he described it himself. When he said it I was pretty surprised since it blew his whole premise out of the water. He could have simply stuck to his original story and at least been consistent. I honestly think this is more about completing campaign promises than it is the practical nature of the project. That became evident to me when he originally talked about a wall across the entire border.
 
tres borrachos said:
Marco Rubio's father was a bartender, and his mother was a maid in Las Vegas. Now there is a Trust Fund baby if I ever saw one!
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Sons of bartenders and LV maids aren't automatically empty-headed. You must think Rubio is, empty-headed, though, making him a trust-fund baby? That's a fallacy.
 
tres borrachos said:
Just breaking.



WASHINGTON — The Republican-run Senate rejected President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southwest border on Thursday, setting up a veto fight and dealing him a conspicuous rebuke as he tested how boldly he could ignore Congress in pursuit of his highest-profile goal.



The Senate voted 59-41 to cancel Trump's February proclamation of a border emergency, which he invoked to spend $3.6 billion more for border barriers than Congress had approved. Twelve Republicans joined Democrats in defying Trump in a showdown many GOP senators had hoped to avoid because he commands die-hard loyalty from millions of conservative voters who could punish defecting lawmakers in next year's elections.

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Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

I am not the least bit surprised. Are you?

Actually I am surprised that 12 Republicans voted for this. That is a huge number. I figured it would be a half dozen.
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I'm not. Trump contradicted himself by saying that he "didn't need to do this". Well if that's true, then that wouldn't make it a national emergency, yes? Idiota.
 
cabse5 said:
Since you aren't conservative...me, neither) Conservatives believe in the rule of law. The rule of law in this case is the legislation already in existence to prevent illegal border crossings. So, you're wrong that conservatives would be against this to a person.
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Real conservatives might believe in the rule of law, but those are few and far between in Trumplandia. He has shown that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
cabse5 said:
Sons of bartenders and LV maids aren't automatically empty-headed. You must think Rubio is, empty-headed, though, making him a trust-fund baby? That's a fallacy.
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Rubio was one of the ones who voted against Trump. You know - one of the Trust Fund babies.

I don't think Rubio is empty headed at all, which is why I voted for him in the primary. And he was smart enough to cast a vote against Trump's fake national emergency.
 
SCrider said:
Ha, the RINO attack. Party before country every time . Do you consider yourself a constitutionalist conservative?
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Your realize The Constitution is being constantly changed via SCOTUS decree and could be changed, conventionally, by an amendment vote?
 
tres borrachos said:
No, that isn't what he "means". He means what he said. He didn't need to do this because it isn't an emergency - he simply wanted it to "go faster". His own words.

If it was an emergency, it was an emergency when his party controlled Congress. He didn't declare one.

What I have a problem with is Trump lying and Trump supporters cheering him on for it.
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It only became an emergency once the Dems took the House.
 
Taylor said:
Because laws constantly "abdicate a constitutional power to the Executive." Many acts are purposefully written in sweeping generalities that delegate many or most of the details of lawmaking to the executive branch to figure out. Or, they may create an administrative agency to delegate their lawmaking power to a bunch of bureaucrats headed by an executive agency appointment, such as the EPA.
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Those are not comparable. Congress passes a law and the executive carries out the laws. How it does that, including with regulations, isn't an abdication or seizure of powers reserved to Congress. It's how the system has to work. POTUS cannot sign a law and change the provisions in the law, and if Congress decides the executive is abusing the discretion granted it, Congress can speak clearly on that issue with an additional law and the executive must comply. Regulations are routinely challenged as inconsistent with the law, and challengers often win those lawsuits.

Here Congress debated an issue for months and expressed its will about a spending matter. There isn't ANY question that in normal circumstances POTUS cannot override that expressed will. The reason we have emergency powers is the Constitution also recognizes that POTUS may have to act swiftly in an "emergency" and before Congress has the opportunity to act, and to act means to spend funds.

So it's not that Congress CAN ""abdicate a constitutional power to the Executive" - they cannot - but that in some cases the constitutional power of the executive can temporarily override a power delegated to Congress. So it's a clash of competing constitutional prerogatives.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yep. It was just a means of getting around Congress, as he described it himself. When he said it I was pretty surprised since it blew his whole premise out of the water. He could have simply stuck to his original story and at least been consistent. I honestly think this is more about completing campaign promises than it is the practical nature of the project. That became evident to me when he originally talked about a wall across the entire border.
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Trump torpedoed himself with his own words. Not the first time he's done it.

Anyone with half a brain knows he said right out that there is no emergency. In Congress, that includes everyone who voted in favor of the rejection of Trump's false declaration. Those who support it have no brain.
 
tres borrachos said:
Rubio was one of the ones who voted against Trump. You know - one of the Trust Fund babies.

I don't think Rubio is empty headed at all, which is why I voted for him in the primary. And he was smart enough to cast a vote against Trump's fake national emergency.
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You need to learn what a trust fund baby is. It deals with being rich and important by inheriting. Off the top of my head, Romney fits the description, quite nicely.
 
cabse5 said:
Your realize The Constitution is being constantly changed via SCOTUS decree and could be changed, conventionally, by an amendment vote?
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Yeah, except for the 2nd of course, that one was written by god himself and can never be amended, right?
 
cabse5 said:
You need to learn what a trust fund baby is. It deals with being rich and important by inheriting. Off the top of my head, Romney fits the description, quite nicely.
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So Rubio inherited millions from his bartender father and hotel maid mother.

Off the top of my head, Donald Trump, his children, and his Senior Advisor Jared Kushner fit the description quite nicely.
 
tres borrachos said:
If he thinks it's an emergency, why did he say he "didn't need to do this"?

You can't have it both ways.
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TheGoverness said:
I'm not. Trump contradicted himself by saying that he "didn't need to do this". Well if that's true, then that wouldn't make it a national emergency, yes? Idiota.
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cabse5 said:
He means (are you sitting down?) that congress shouldn't force him to do this, that congress should fix the problem which they haven't. Or is it just not a problem to you, the illegal border crossings?
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This.
 
tres borrachos said:
Like Trump, the Trust Fund baby. And his children, the Trust Fund babies. And his senior advisor, Jared Kushner, the Trust Fund baby.
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Those are trust fund babies. Some trust fund babies have initiative.
 
cabse5 said:
Since you aren't conservative...me, neither) Conservatives believe in the rule of law. The rule of law in this case is the legislation already in existence to prevent illegal border crossings. So, you're wrong that conservatives would be against this to a person.
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We are dealing with people here that are of one mind, no thinking. Trump wants it = oppose. Nothing else comes into play. Not the law, not the Constitution, not common sense... nothing.
They throw a few lies in, that they obviously refuse to address, and that's their support. Can't debate with people who refuse to think.
 
tres borrachos said:
If he thinks it's an emergency, why did he say he "didn't need to do this"?

You can't have it both ways.
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tres borrachos said:
So Rubio inherited millions from his bartender father and hotel maid mother.

Off the top of my head, Donald Trump, his children, and his Senior Advisor Jared Kushner fit the description quite nicely.
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I wasn't aware of that. Yes, Rubio is a trust fund baby because he originally became rich and important via inheritance. He does has initiative, though, which most trust fund babies do not.
 
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