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Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

tres borrachos said:
Hopefully it's Stephen Miller getting an ass chewing. That man is just a troll.

He'll probably blame this on Pence, McConnell, Romney, Pelosi, Schumer, my cat, and Hillary.
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Was thinking about him today. Says.....something he's stayed in the WH as a loyal soldier. I don't think it's good... :doh
 
Slyfox696 said:
With 59 votes against, I imagine there's a little bit of fretting going on in the White House about a possible veto override. The last thing any President wants to do, but especially one as concerned with vanity as this one, is to have a veto overridden, but especially with his party in the majority.

I don't know if they could get to the magic number to override, but I bet there will be a lot of work being done behind the scenes.
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They will over ride it. Cheap labor is need by the rich and powerful. They will not let Trump cut off their source of people to exploit as well as to use to drive middle class wages down. The bought and paid for party puppets will not support Trump but their masters. Trump will not win this one. Nobody bucks the rich and powerful.
 
holbritter said:
I've never been polled. :(
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One problem for our house is we rarely answer unknown numbers anymore. The few times I've been "polled," they were disguised fundraising calls where they ask a couple of leading question "Do you support the 2A? Do you want the Obama goons to take your guns? Will you make a contribution to preserve your god-given right to keep and bear arms? God Bless America!" :roll:
 
ChezC3 said:
With the exception of ME, which was split every Senator represents a state which voted for Trump. Meaning they voted for the wall. Meaning that Trump using this common tactic to get that done is pretty much OK by the people who these Senator's represent. (implicitly)

So what this tells me is that these senators either are carrying their own agenda or are the same sort that bent over and let Obama and Reid have their way with them for 8 years, which means, they all need to go.
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It's not a common tactic, because it's never happened before.

It really is an extraordinary move. Congress debated the issue for MONTHS, weighed Trump's request, the arguments for and against, and came to an agreement to give him $X. It's never happened before that Congress has spoken so clearly on a funding issue, and immediately after Congress spoke, POTUS said - screw you, Congress, I'll just spend what I want and I don't care what you say about funding.

You can support this - whatever - but you can't rewrite history and make up your own facts to claim what he's doing is common. It's just not - it's the opposite of common, which is unprecedented.
 
joko104 said:
While they may be re-elected to their Senate seat, we just learned the names of 12 Republican Senators who will never be the Republican nominee for president.
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No worries, after this disaster there will not be another Republican president for decades, if ever...
 
Roadvirus said:
And how many of their constituents have had their lives cut short by illegal immigrants?
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Well, the great f'ing salesman had months to make his case to Congress and the public using that argument, and the moron failed. That's the actual problem here - not Congress. Trump had a GOP House and he couldn't get them to agree to his stupid wall, much less the Senate. I don't understand why you don't lay the failure where it belongs, which is at the feet of a disaster of a WH that in two years still couldn't win the funding he wanted for his wall. They had a deal in the Senate - Trump killed it - thanks Stephen Miller - because he thought he could get a better deal. Trump was wrong and Trump ****ed up.
 
trixare4kids said:
As long as Trump's base, who are voters btw, overwhelmingly approve of the wall, he's in business.
It's obvious that almost 90% of the Dems. would disapprove. They are resisting anything Trump.
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I was a part of the Trump base until recent. I'm sure I'm not alone in finally realizing he's more talk than action. In my circle of people (friends, family and work) there are the people who wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole if he was gold plated, people who would sell their first born to have him sign a hat and people like myself who have tired and are stepping away. I've not run into people who were sour on him in the past and now want to get on board. Not saying they don't exist, I just haven't seen them. :shrug:
 
bongsaway said:
It's all political theater so trump can tell his base he's trying, he knows darn well it's going to the courts. We'll probably have another shutdown over his eight billion for his wall in the budget. More theatre. Red meat for his base as more republican lawmakers drift away from him.
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That's really it, and we're all part of the audience.

About a year ago, Trump requested $1.6B for the wall, and he basically got what he asked for from the GOP, and the Democrats would have gone along with that. Then Fox News said mean things, so months after the new fiscal year started, he decided he needed $FIVE BILLION!!! And here we are. No surprise his new demand is $EIGHT BILLION!!! because it's got to be a bigger number than this year. He wants this fight, and needs it.
 
vesper said:
The twelve Republicans that voted against Trump on his call for a national emergency on the border need to look at the failure of congress that allowed him to do such a thing. He had the absolute right to declare a national emergency because of their passage of laws prior. If they have a problem what they made law prior then maybe they should address that before denying Trump what they previous claimed he had a right to do .
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Not really. The law allows Congress to override the declaration. They are voting to do just that. They aren't necessarily voting against the ability to make an emergency declaration, just its use in THIS case, as the law explicitly provides for.

Now that Trump has demonstrated how easy the law is to abuse, they should IMO change it and require Congress to effectively endorse the declaration within 30-60 days or something. It would allow him to act in the event of a true emergency - which is the point - but prohibit using a fake emergency to do an end run around appropriations. But the point is someone could vote YES today (i.e. against this use of the power in THIS CASE) and still support the law as is. They're not necessarily inconsistent positions.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
They will over ride it. Cheap labor is need by the rich and powerful. They will not let Trump cut off their source of people to exploit as well as to use to drive middle class wages down. The bought and paid for party puppets will not support Trump but their masters. Trump will not win this one. Nobody bucks the rich and powerful.
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Yes, the rich and powerful like Trump, who until as recently as last month was 'exploiting' illegal labor at his own properties...
 
JasperL said:
Not really. The law allows Congress to override the declaration. They are voting to do just that. They aren't necessarily voting against the ability to make an emergency declaration, just its use in THIS case, as the law explicitly provides for.

Now that Trump has demonstrated how easy the law is to abuse, they should IMO change it and require Congress to effectively endorse the declaration within 30-60 days or something. It would allow him to act in the event of a true emergency - which is the point - but prohibit using a fake emergency to do an end run around appropriations. But the point is someone could vote YES today (i.e. against this use of the power in THIS CASE) and still support the law as is. They're not necessarily inconsistent positions.
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"Not really" is what you pull out of your ass ? The Congress passed the law that allowed Trump to declare a national disaster. If the feckless Congress wants to make amends make laws to correct their their own mistakes prior.. Make laws that protect of our Sovereignty. Make laws that don't make a mockery of our illegal immigration laws. The only people looking like the feckless morons that they are it is Congress in charge of the lawmaking. This thing will be vetoed and rightfully so because our feckless Congress can't seem to do their Constitutional duty that requires them to secure our borders.
 
apdst said:
People who want border security aren't racists.
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But, particularly people who view border security problems as some kind of alarmist "national emergency", they just might be
 
vesper said:
"Not really" is what you pull out of your ass ? The Congress passed the law that allowed Trump to declare a national disaster. If the feckless Congress wants to make amends make laws to correct their their own mistakes prior.. Make laws that protect of our Sovereignty. Make laws that don't make a mockery of our illegal immigration laws. The only people looking like the feckless morons that they are it is Congress in charge of the lawmaking. This thing will be vetoed and rightfully so because our feckless Congress can't seem to do their Constitutional duty that requires them to secure our borders.
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If that's the best you can pull out of your ass, shove it right back in your ass. I have better things to do than argue with a post starting off with insults.
 
vesper said:
"Not really" is what you pull out of your ass ? The Congress passed the law that allowed Trump to declare a national disaster. If the feckless Congress wants to make amends make laws to correct their their own mistakes prior.. Make laws that protect of our Sovereignty. Make laws that don't make a mockery of our illegal immigration laws. The only people looking like the feckless morons that they are it is Congress in charge of the lawmaking. This thing will be vetoed and rightfully so because our feckless Congress can't seem to do their Constitutional duty that requires them to secure our borders.
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Repubs had the presidency, house and senate for two frickin' years, why the **** didn't they pass any of those laws?

Noooh, they were too busy giving tax breaks to the super rich and trying to throw 20,000,000 people off of their health care.

The borders are more secure than they have ever been in history as evidenced by the steep decline in the stats, there is no problem there, other than the humanitarian crisis that TRUMP HAS CAUSED.
 
tres borrachos said:
Just breaking.



WASHINGTON — The Republican-run Senate rejected President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southwest border on Thursday, setting up a veto fight and dealing him a conspicuous rebuke as he tested how boldly he could ignore Congress in pursuit of his highest-profile goal.



The Senate voted 59-41 to cancel Trump's February proclamation of a border emergency, which he invoked to spend $3.6 billion more for border barriers than Congress had approved. Twelve Republicans joined Democrats in defying Trump in a showdown many GOP senators had hoped to avoid because he commands die-hard loyalty from millions of conservative voters who could punish defecting lawmakers in next year's elections.

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Senate rejects Trump border emergency as Republicans defect

I am not the least bit surprised. Are you?

Actually I am surprised that 12 Republicans voted for this. That is a huge number. I figured it would be a half dozen.
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7 or 8 more republicans and Trump’s veto can be overridden.
 
vesper said:
"Not really" is what you pull out of your ass ? The Congress passed the law that allowed Trump to declare a national disaster. If the feckless Congress wants to make amends make laws to correct their their own mistakes prior.. Make laws that protect of our Sovereignty. Make laws that don't make a mockery of our illegal immigration laws. The only people looking like the feckless morons that they are it is Congress in charge of the lawmaking. This thing will be vetoed and rightfully so because our feckless Congress can't seem to do their Constitutional duty that requires them to secure our borders.
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Their Constitutional duty is to control the power of the purse.
 
vesper said:
"Not really" is what you pull out of your ass ? The Congress passed the law that allowed Trump to declare a national disaster. If the feckless Congress wants to make amends make laws to correct their their own mistakes prior.. Make laws that protect of our Sovereignty. Make laws that don't make a mockery of our illegal immigration laws. The only people looking like the feckless morons that they are it is Congress in charge of the lawmaking. This thing will be vetoed and rightfully so because our feckless Congress can't seem to do their Constitutional duty that requires them to secure our borders.
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Well, this is totally not surprising.

You seem to think a president can call a state of national emergency in order to divert previously allocated funds to his vanity project, even though BY HIS OWN ADMISSION he didn't have to do it, he just wanted to move the process along a little faster. This is fine with you. And, according to you, Congress is "feckless" for not letting him do exactly that. What the hell is wrong with you?

You might as well live on another planet if you think this is how government should work.
 
Slyfox696 said:
With 59 votes against, I imagine there's a little bit of fretting going on in the White House about a possible veto override. The last thing any President wants to do, but especially one as concerned with vanity as this one, is to have a veto overridden, but especially with his party in the majority.

I don't know if they could get to the magic number to override, but I bet there will be a lot of work being done behind the scenes.
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The Senate plans to let the House Republicans kill this joint resolution override.
 
MauiMan said:
7 or 8 more republicans and Trump’s veto can be overridden.
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True, but I don't think there are that many republicans with the balls to buck Trump's threats/blackmail and vote to override his veto. If there were, they would have voted to block, and made it clear that the Senate had the numbers to override, making his veto useless; they didn't.
 
Erod said:
The majority of the country supports Trump on this. He'll benefit from this greatly.
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The majority of the country does not support him on this. But nice try.
They are well aware this could bite them in the behind when the Dems have the senate and White House again.
I hope we do a national emergency on climate change, don't you???
 
DiAnna said:
True, but I don't think there are that many republicans with the balls to buck Trump's threats/blackmail and vote to override his veto. If there were, they would have voted to block, and made it clear that the Senate had the numbers to override, making his veto useless; they didn't.
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Let's hold out some hope, please. The GOP may be as overrun with idiots as the opposing party, but there is a difference when voting to override a veto. That one takes extra balls (if you'll excuse the phrase) and I think it's pretty obvious the senate isn't overrun with an abundance of strength.

I grant that it's a slim hope, but there are a couple repubs that I'm surprised voted for Trump this time. Maybe they take the second chance?

I'm also not 100% that Trump takes the chance. The man has shown he can cave when his vanity is at risk. Imagine how he will feel if his veto is shown worthless.
 
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