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China taking lead to ground Boeing 737 MAX 8 signals challenge to US authority ...

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From The South China Morning Post

China taking lead to ground Boeing 737 MAX 8 signals challenge to US authority in worldwide civil aviation

When China on Monday became the first country to order all Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes grounded in the aftermath of the Ethiopian Airlines crash the previous day, its aviation regulator sent an unmistakable signal: the US Federal Aviation Administration is no longer the only authority in civil aviation worldwide.

After China ordered a dozen carriers to ground their 96 planes – about a quarter of all 737 MAX aircraft in operation globally – authorities in Ethiopia, Indonesia, Mongolia, Morocco and Singapore quickly followed suit, along with carriers in Latin America and South Korea.

Despite the FAA issuing a statement backing the Boeing jet’s airworthiness, the European Union grounded the model on Tuesday, as did at least 10 other countries, with authorities saying the aircraft would not be allowed to fly to or from their countries pending the investigation.

China’s move, unprecedented for a government that once took cues from the FAA, was motivated by what Chinese officials and pilots said was months of equivocation from US officials and Boeing in response to safety inquiries from China after a 737 MAX 8 flight crashed in Indonesia in October.

COMMENT:-

An interesting take on the matter, eh wot?

I mean, who do those Chinese think they are to doubt the word of the President of the United States of America, the US government, and Boeing (not necessarily in that order)?
 
I think it more likely means that China and the US are in the middle of trade negotiations and the Chinese government seized an opportunity to gain leverage.
 
I think it more likely means that China and the US are in the middle of trade negotiations and the Chinese government seized an opportunity to gain leverage.

Got to admit it was a very slick play on their part.
 
From The South China Morning Post

China taking lead to ground Boeing 737 MAX 8 signals challenge to US authority in worldwide civil aviation

When China on Monday became the first country to order all Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes grounded in the aftermath of the Ethiopian Airlines crash the previous day, its aviation regulator sent an unmistakable signal: the US Federal Aviation Administration is no longer the only authority in civil aviation worldwide.

After China ordered a dozen carriers to ground their 96 planes – about a quarter of all 737 MAX aircraft in operation globally – authorities in Ethiopia, Indonesia, Mongolia, Morocco and Singapore quickly followed suit, along with carriers in Latin America and South Korea.

Despite the FAA issuing a statement backing the Boeing jet’s airworthiness, the European Union grounded the model on Tuesday, as did at least 10 other countries, with authorities saying the aircraft would not be allowed to fly to or from their countries pending the investigation.

China’s move, unprecedented for a government that once took cues from the FAA, was motivated by what Chinese officials and pilots said was months of equivocation from US officials and Boeing in response to safety inquiries from China after a 737 MAX 8 flight crashed in Indonesia in October.

COMMENT:-

An interesting take on the matter, eh wot?

I mean, who do those Chinese think they are to doubt the word of the President of the United States of America, the US government, and Boeing (not necessarily in that order)?

In what way is that a "challenge" to US authority?
 
I think it more likely means that China and the US are in the middle of trade negotiations and the Chinese government seized an opportunity to gain leverage.

Yes, that's likely it.
 
This is not a challenge to US authority, China has every reason to govern their own and if they feel like grounding the entire 737 max 8 fleet then so be it.
 
An interesting take on the matter, eh wot?

I mean, who do those Chinese think they are to doubt the word of the President of the United States of America, the US government, and Boeing (not necessarily in that order)?

An interesting take on it and no doubt with some merit. First and foremost what happens when a commercial aircraft has a few accidents in a short space is the country's FAA or equivalent grounds them (if not airports, operators or a manufacturer's recommendation). But since apparently Boeing's chief called Trump, there's no need to ground their new plane in the US. Other countries have to take the lead.

But I doubt it was lost on the Chinese that they'd be taking the lead in America's absence, thereby as with trade, looking like the adults in the room. They'll happily steal America's thunder while it is led by a buffoon who's asleep at the wheel.
 
An interesting take on it and no doubt with some merit. First and foremost what happens when a commercial aircraft has a few accidents in a short space is the country's FAA or equivalent grounds them (if not airports, operators or a manufacturer's recommendation). But since apparently Boeing's chief called Trump, there's no need to ground their new plane in the US. Other countries have to take the lead.

But I doubt it was lost on the Chinese that they'd be taking the lead in America's absence, thereby as with trade, looking like the adults in the room. They'll happily steal America's thunder while it is led by a buffoon who's asleep at the wheel.

What "steal(ing) America's thunder", Mr. Trump has taken the lead in the matter and no one is going to pay any attention to what the Chinese did AFTER Mr. Trump solved the whole thing.
 
Silly me. Indeed after finding this 'new information' that came to light - namely the egg streaming down his face - he finally decided to act.

As a routine user of the services provided by the Egg Marketing Board, I request that you retract your scurrilous slander on eggs.
 
From The South China Morning Post

China taking lead to ground Boeing 737 MAX 8 signals challenge to US authority in worldwide civil aviation

When China on Monday became the first country to order all Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes grounded in the aftermath of the Ethiopian Airlines crash the previous day, its aviation regulator sent an unmistakable signal: the US Federal Aviation Administration is no longer the only authority in civil aviation worldwide.

After China ordered a dozen carriers to ground their 96 planes – about a quarter of all 737 MAX aircraft in operation globally – authorities in Ethiopia, Indonesia, Mongolia, Morocco and Singapore quickly followed suit, along with carriers in Latin America and South Korea.

Despite the FAA issuing a statement backing the Boeing jet’s airworthiness, the European Union grounded the model on Tuesday, as did at least 10 other countries, with authorities saying the aircraft would not be allowed to fly to or from their countries pending the investigation.

China’s move, unprecedented for a government that once took cues from the FAA, was motivated by what Chinese officials and pilots said was months of equivocation from US officials and Boeing in response to safety inquiries from China after a 737 MAX 8 flight crashed in Indonesia in October.

COMMENT:-

An interesting take on the matter, eh wot?

I mean, who do those Chinese think they are to doubt the word of the President of the United States of America, the US government, and Boeing (not necessarily in that order)?
China saw an opening to damage an american compsny snd took it. Its not really a big mystery what they are doing.

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China saw an opening to damage an american compsny snd took it. Its not really a big mystery what they are doing.

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Exactly and that is why you support Mr. Trump in his staunch refusal to knuckle under to those so-called "reports" of so-called "aircraft crashes" supposedly resulting from some so-called "defect" in the aircraft's manufacture.
 
Exactly and that is why you support Mr. Trump in his staunch refusal to knuckle under to those so-called "reports" of so-called "aircraft crashes" supposedly resulting from some so-called "defect" in the aircraft's manufacture.
I have no idea what your trying to imply.

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China saw an opening to damage an american compsny snd took it.

Oh the irony, China being accused of stealing a patented USA mode of operation.
 
From The South China Morning Post

China taking lead to ground Boeing 737 MAX 8 signals challenge to US authority in worldwide civil aviation

When China on Monday became the first country to order all Boeing 737 MAX 8 planes grounded in the aftermath of the Ethiopian Airlines crash the previous day, its aviation regulator sent an unmistakable signal: the US Federal Aviation Administration is no longer the only authority in civil aviation worldwide.

After China ordered a dozen carriers to ground their 96 planes – about a quarter of all 737 MAX aircraft in operation globally – authorities in Ethiopia, Indonesia, Mongolia, Morocco and Singapore quickly followed suit, along with carriers in Latin America and South Korea.

Despite the FAA issuing a statement backing the Boeing jet’s airworthiness, the European Union grounded the model on Tuesday, as did at least 10 other countries, with authorities saying the aircraft would not be allowed to fly to or from their countries pending the investigation.

China’s move, unprecedented for a government that once took cues from the FAA, was motivated by what Chinese officials and pilots said was months of equivocation from US officials and Boeing in response to safety inquiries from China after a 737 MAX 8 flight crashed in Indonesia in October.

COMMENT:-

An interesting take on the matter, eh wot?

I mean, who do those Chinese think they are to doubt the word of the President of the United States of America, the US government, and Boeing (not necessarily in that order)?

It's easy for authoritarian states to be the first to ban something.

Nothing really new or special.
 
It's easy for authoritarian states to be the first to ban something.

Nothing really new or special.

Yes I know, that that is why such repressive dictatorships as the EU, Canada, and the UK banned the aircraft before the US did.
 
Would it surprise you if I said that that didn't surprise me?
What surprises me is your rudeness when I gave you no reason to be so. I can only assume that you don't know what your talking about either and rather than admit that you chose to use that bit of condescending snark to obfuscate your own ignorance.

A normal person would of explained their point when asked for clarification if they actually had a coherent point to make.

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What surprises me is your rudeness when I gave you no reason to be so.

Please go and look up the meaning of "curmudgeon".

I can only assume that you don't know what your talking about either and rather than admit that you chose to use that bit of condescending snark to obfuscate your own ignorance.

I take no responsibility for the fact that others may make assumptions contrary to reality.

A normal person would of explained their point when asked for clarification if they actually had a coherent point to make.

Where did you "ask for clarification"?

When have you ever seen me REFUSE to clarify my points when asked to do so (other than on the __[fill in the blank with a number higher than 3rd]__ request for the same explanation from the same person after I have already provided three prior explanations?

You might want to try taking this vocabulary test (which doesn't estimate the actual size of your vocabulary [and gets slightly misleading if you also know "non-English" words]),
 
Yes I know, that that is why such repressive dictatorships as the EU, Canada, and the UK banned the aircraft before the US did.

My point: An authoritarian state being the first to ban something should hardly be seen as a threat to anyone's authority.
 
My point: An authoritarian state being the first to ban something should hardly be seen as a threat to anyone's authority.

When China has been following the lead of the FAA for decades, a sudden change in policy (especially when that change amounts to a total rejection of the FAA position) is, of course, totally irrelevant.

Since Boeing has announced that it will have the required software changes available very shortly then isn't it logical to conclude one of two things:

  1. Boeing dropped everything and immediately started work on the software changes right after the second crash; or
  2. Boeing was aware of the need for software changes, and the potential for fatal crashes, after the first crash and deliberately said nothing about it in order to "preserve market share" (while working on the needed software changes)?

Given the time constraints involved in determining what is wrong with software and developing "patches" to remedy the defect, which of those two possibilities do you see as the MOST likely?
 
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