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Paul Manafort Sentencing

Are you kidding me? The emoluments violations. The actions of his kids. The administration officials who've been forced to resign. The tax schemes. Using their charitable foundation as a goddamned slush fund. The approvals of trademarks in China. Shall I go on?

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Ok, I looked at your article...Being accused is a little different than being convicted.. I will give him the benfit of the doubt until I see the below allegations become indictments, and indictments become convictions.

From your Bloomberg article:
Donald Trump promised to drain the Washington swamp. Instead, he has surrounded himself with family members, appointees and advisers who’ve been accused of conflicts of interest Conflict of interest, misuse of public funds Misuse of public funds, influence peddling Influence peddling, self-enrichment Self-enrichment, working for foreign governments Agent for foreign government, failure to disclose information Failure to disclose information and violating ethics rules Violating ethics rules. Some are under investigation Under investigation or facing lawsuits Facing Lawsuit, others have resigned Resigned and five have either been convicted or pleaded guilty Guilty, including three for lying to government officials Lying to government officials. Scandals plague all administrations, but Trump’s is only two years old and the allegations keep on coming.
 
Was Paul Manafort tried and convicted of attempting to manipulate the 2016 election with the help of his Russian counterparts? Was the polling data transfer any part of the trial he was just sentenced for, the one he was sentenced for last week or the one he was indicted for today?

Keep up your continual defending criminal elements like Paul Manafort. See where that takes you.
 
Enough or too little?

Enough for her cases. And that 43 additional months was a CNN error, it was 7.5 years, to run consecutively following the 47 months he got last week. If he's a very good boy in prison, perhaps he'll only do 5-6 years.

But that depends entirely on what the SDNY convicts him of. They threw their own book at him almost before Jackson's gavel hit it's mark.
 
Ok, I looked at your article...Being accused is a little different than being convicted.. I will give him the benfit of the doubt until I see the below allegations become indictments, and indictments become convictions.

From your Bloomberg article:

Never said it was anything other than accusations. But they are legion, many of his closest advisors are now felons, and it's likely not just a coincidence that he's lead the life of a conman, ripping off contractors, doing business with Russian mafia, having the Russian mafia run businesses out of his buildings, having Trump University, being forced to close his 'charity', etc...
 
From your link:

"A second federal judge had, minutes earlier, determined Manafort spend 7.5 years in total in federal prison for a decade’s worth of financial and lobbying crimes and obstruction of justice."

Where did you get the 43 months?

From my link....
(CNN)Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was ordered Wednesday to serve an additional 43 months on federal conspiracy charges, bringing his total sentence between two federal courts to 7.5 years in twin cases stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.


Also from your link:

"Paul Manafort has been charged with a new criminal case not even an hour after learning his prison sentence for federal crimes.

"The Manhattan District Attorney charged Manafort with mortgage fraud, falsifying business records and conspiracy on Wednesday, the prosecutor’s office announced."

The law isn't finished with him yet.

Yeah, we all already know... keep up. Read the posts before you post.
My link was updated automatically after his sentencing today.
 
I'm saying that once the Trump campaign realized Manafort was in deep do-do, they canned his sorry ass. For the rest of your post, old news already posted by others, including myself in the above.

Sorry I had to dumb this down for you. ;)

What was really dumb is all they had to do was read the same Wikipedia page you posted and apparently neglected to read yourself before taking Manafort on to chair the campaign. If they had they would clearly have seen the baggage he comes with.

"Lobbying career
In 1980, Manafort was a founding partner of Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm Black, Manafort & Stone, along with principals Charles R. Black Jr. and Roger J. Stone.[4][5][6][64] After Peter G. Kelly was recruited, the name of the firm was changed to Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly (BMSK) in 1984.[7]:124

Manafort left BMSK in 1996 to join Richard H. Davis and Matthew C. Freedman in forming Davis, Manafort, and Freedman.[65]

Association with Jonas Savimbi

Manafort has represented Angolan rebel leader Jonas Savimbi
In 1985, Manafort's firm, BMSK, signed a $600,000 contract with Jonas Savimbi, the leader of the Angolan rebel group UNITA, to refurbish Savimbi's image in Washington and secure financial support on the basis of his anti-communism stance. BMSK arranged for Savimbi to attend events at the American Enterprise Institute (where Jeane Kirkpatrick gave him a laudatory introduction), The Heritage Foundation, and Freedom House; in the wake of the campaign, Congress approved hundreds of millions of dollars in covert American aid to Savimbi's group.[66] Allegedly, Manafort's continuing lobbying efforts helped preserve the flow of money to Savimbi several years after the Soviet Union ceased its involvement in the Angolan conflict, forestalling peace talks.[66]

Lobbying for other foreign leaders

Between June 1984 and June 1986, Manafort was a FARA-registered lobbyist for Saudi Arabia. The Reagan Administration refused to grant Manafort a waiver from federal statutes prohibiting public officials from acting as foreign agents; Manafort resigned his directorship at OPIC in May 1986. An investigation by the Department of Justice found 18 lobbying-related activities that were not reported in FARA filings, including lobbying on behalf of The Bahamas and Saint Lucia.[67]

Manafort's firm, BMSK, accepted $950,000 yearly to lobby for then-president of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos.[68][69] He was also involved in lobbying for Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaïre,[70] securing a US$1 million annual contract in 1989,[71] and attempted to recruit Siad Barre of Somalia as a client.[72] His firm also lobbied on behalf of the governments of the Dominican Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Kenya (earning between $660,000 and $750,000 each year between 1991 and 1993), and Nigeria ($1 million in 1991). These activities led Manafort's firm to be listed amongst the top five lobbying firms receiving money from human-rights abusing regimes in the Center for Public Integrity report "The Torturers' Lobby".[73]

The New York Times reported that Manafort accepted payment from the Kurdistan Regional Government to facilitate Western recognition

Involvement in the Karachi affair
Manafort wrote the campaign strategy for Édouard Balladur in the 1995 French elections, and was paid indirectly.[75] The money, at least $200,000, was transferred to him through his friend, Lebanese arms-dealer Abdul Rahman al-Assir, from middle-men fees paid for arranging the sale of three French Agosta-class submarines to Pakistan, in a scandal known as the Karachi affair.[66]

Association with Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence Agency
Manafort received $700,000 from the Kashmiri American Council between 1990 and 1994, supposedly to promote the plight of the Kashmiri people. However, an FBI investigation revealed the money was actually from Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) agency as part of a disinformation operation to divert attention from terrorism. A former Pakistani ISI official claimed Manafort was aware of the nature of the operation.[76] While producing a documentary as part of the deal, Manafort interviewed several Indian officials while pretending to be a CNN reporter.[77]

HUD scandal
In the late 1980s, Manafort was criticized for using his connections at HUD to ensure funding for a $43 million rehabilitation of dilapidated housing in Seabrook, New Jersey.[78] Manafort's firm received a $326,000 fee for its work in getting HUD approval of the grant, largely through personal influence with Deborah Gore Dean, an executive assistant to former HUD Secretary Samuel Pierce."
 
At Club Fed? Doubtful.

Here's an idea: Why don't you get yourself incarcerated in the same facility and report back on that? There's a good lad ...
 
Keep up your continual defending criminal elements like Paul Manafort. See where that takes you.

strawman

You failed to answer his questions and deflected to the above silliness.
 
Keep up your continual defending criminal elements like Paul Manafort. See where that takes you.

I'm not defending Manafort. I'm defending the practice of justice based on the crimes under considration by the court rather than justice via public sentiment and a wish list of politically based hatred for a guy who isn't even the one on trial.
 
Was Paul Manafort tried and convicted of attempting to manipulate the 2016 election with the help of his Russian counterparts? Was the polling data transfer any part of the trial he was just sentenced for, the one he was sentenced for last week or the one he was indicted for today?

Nope, just as the judge said, those issues have not been addressed, yet...
 
Enough for her cases. And that 43 additional months was a CNN error, it was 7.5 years, to run consecutively following the 47 months he got last week. If he's a very good boy in prison, perhaps he'll only do 5-6 years.

But that depends entirely on what the SDNY convicts him of. They threw their own book at him almost before Jackson's gavel hit it's mark.

You're wrong.
The judge gave him 43 months today.
Ellis gave him 47 last week.
Add 43 and 47=90 months=7.5 years.

You're welcome. :2wave:
 
What was really dumb is all they had to do was read the same Wikipedia page you posted and apparently neglected to read yourself before taking Manafort on to chair the campaign. If they had they would clearly have seen the baggage he comes with.

"Lobbying career
In 1980, Manafort was a founding partner of Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm Black, Manafort & Stone, along with principals Charles R. Black Jr. and Roger J. Stone.[4][5][6][64] After Peter G. Kelly was recruited, the name of the firm was changed to Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly (BMSK) in 1984.[7]:124

Manafort left BMSK in 1996 to join Richard H. Davis and Matthew C. Freedman in forming Davis, Manafort, and Freedman.[65]

Association with Jonas Savimbi

Manafort has represented Angolan rebel leader Jonas Savimbi
In 1985, Manafort's firm, BMSK, signed a $600,000 contract with Jonas Savimbi, the leader of the Angolan rebel group UNITA, to refurbish Savimbi's image in Washington and secure financial support on the basis of his anti-communism stance. BMSK arranged for Savimbi to attend events at the American Enterprise Institute (where Jeane Kirkpatrick gave him a laudatory introduction), The Heritage Foundation, and Freedom House; in the wake of the campaign, Congress approved hundreds of millions of dollars in covert American aid to Savimbi's group.[66] Allegedly, Manafort's continuing lobbying efforts helped preserve the flow of money to Savimbi several years after the Soviet Union ceased its involvement in the Angolan conflict, forestalling peace talks.[66]

Lobbying for other foreign leaders

Between June 1984 and June 1986, Manafort was a FARA-registered lobbyist for Saudi Arabia. The Reagan Administration refused to grant Manafort a waiver from federal statutes prohibiting public officials from acting as foreign agents; Manafort resigned his directorship at OPIC in May 1986. An investigation by the Department of Justice found 18 lobbying-related activities that were not reported in FARA filings, including lobbying on behalf of The Bahamas and Saint Lucia.[67]

Manafort's firm, BMSK, accepted $950,000 yearly to lobby for then-president of the Philippines Ferdinand Marcos.[68][69] He was also involved in lobbying for Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaïre,[70] securing a US$1 million annual contract in 1989,[71] and attempted to recruit Siad Barre of Somalia as a client.[72] His firm also lobbied on behalf of the governments of the Dominican Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Kenya (earning between $660,000 and $750,000 each year between 1991 and 1993), and Nigeria ($1 million in 1991). These activities led Manafort's firm to be listed amongst the top five lobbying firms receiving money from human-rights abusing regimes in the Center for Public Integrity report "The Torturers' Lobby".[73]

The New York Times reported that Manafort accepted payment from the Kurdistan Regional Government to facilitate Western recognition

Involvement in the Karachi affair
Manafort wrote the campaign strategy for Édouard Balladur in the 1995 French elections, and was paid indirectly.[75] The money, at least $200,000, was transferred to him through his friend, Lebanese arms-dealer Abdul Rahman al-Assir, from middle-men fees paid for arranging the sale of three French Agosta-class submarines to Pakistan, in a scandal known as the Karachi affair.[66]

Association with Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence Agency
Manafort received $700,000 from the Kashmiri American Council between 1990 and 1994, supposedly to promote the plight of the Kashmiri people. However, an FBI investigation revealed the money was actually from Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) agency as part of a disinformation operation to divert attention from terrorism. A former Pakistani ISI official claimed Manafort was aware of the nature of the operation.[76] While producing a documentary as part of the deal, Manafort interviewed several Indian officials while pretending to be a CNN reporter.[77]

HUD scandal
In the late 1980s, Manafort was criticized for using his connections at HUD to ensure funding for a $43 million rehabilitation of dilapidated housing in Seabrook, New Jersey.[78] Manafort's firm received a $326,000 fee for its work in getting HUD approval of the grant, largely through personal influence with Deborah Gore Dean, an executive assistant to former HUD Secretary Samuel Pierce."

If they did not know the above, I agree those who hired him were probably negligible but that's not a crime.
 
Democrats won't be happy unless he dies in jail.

Some have already said as much on this thread.
I really don't know where this kind of hate comes from.
 
I have to say though, who much did Flynn really give-up?
That's just the point. Flynn has provided assistance to the special counsel, but NOT in any cases currently prosecuted. Which means Flynn's testimony has been helpful in other ways. My guess is Jared Kushner, in particular, did not enjoy reading that statement.

After the way the SC handled Manafort as a witness, I'm now concerned as to whether they gave away the store on Flynn for little in exchange.
The SCO did what they could with Manafort. You can't FORCE a witness to turn (especially when they are in constant contact with the one person who can pardon them) and when Manafort began lying, Mueller's team knew it immediately and revoked the cooperation agreement.

This is the first time I've been critical of Mueller, but there's no way to spin this Manafort case as anything other than a major late fumble by prosecutors.
How so? Manafort is going to jail for 7.5 years. If not for a lone juror, he would have been convicted on numerous other charges as well (the decision to refile has not been made, I don't believe). The prosecutors got convictions which could have put Manafort in jail for 30 years. But they don't get to decide jail time, the judge does. And the judges have given Manafort 7.5 years.

How is this a fumble in the least?
 
It ain't over til it's over. When he leaves office, then we can wonder why he hasn't pardoned anyone yet. Until then, it's fair to speculate several things:

1) The pardoning of Arpaio is the pardon-dangler. It demonstrates that he's willing to pardon his friends.
2) He hasn't pardoned anybody related to the investigation because, technically speaking, nobody under investigation has been as deserving of a pardon as Manafort. Everybody else has pleaded guilty and eventually cooperated with investigators. Therefore...
3) Trump may want to make it clear that if you hold out like Manafort has, then you too will be deserving of a pardon (assuming he goes ahead and actually pardons Manafort, of course).
4) Maybe Trump recognizes that there is real, bona fide legal exposure for pardoning people related to investigations into him and his campaign, and he's allowed the possibility of potential pardons to hang in the air as a substitute for granting them.

But it'll only be one minute after he leaves the White House when we can really know anything. There's still (at least) a year and ten months to go.

I agree with you and Chomsky in regards to this, but do you think Manafort will survive for at least an almost 2 year prison term while Trump plays it out? The guy is an old man and that's pretty much a death sentence at his age.
 
Never said it was anything other than accusations. But they are legion, many of his closest advisors are now felons, and it's likely not just a coincidence that he's lead the life of a conman, ripping off contractors, doing business with Russian mafia, having the Russian mafia run businesses out of his buildings, having Trump University, being forced to close his 'charity', etc...

Damn, I had already written a long reply and my browser crashed, right as I pushed post reply.
Suffice to say, I didn't realize you had based your opinion by saying it was only accusations. It read to me more like you knew he was in fact, guilty. Sorry I missed that.
 
I just don't get this..."hoping he dies"
Why don't you simply say you think he deserves life in prison, no parole?

Because I am sick and ****ing tired of posh criminals like Manafort, destroying our economy, our country, raping and pillaging people left and right with their white collar scams, and get off easy.

You do more time for selling a ****ing naturally occurring plant than you do peddling foreign influence and concocting foreign conflicts. It's beyond acceptable.
 
You're absolutely right. Manafort told the judge that he's almost 70, his wife 66 and she needs him to be with her. TOO BAD. It's all bullcrap. She enjoyed all the rewards and benefits of his twisted, indecent, illegal and heinous crimes their entire married life. I don't feel a bit of sympathy for her or anyone connected to him. His own daughter, Jessica Manafort, legally changed her last name to Jess Bond so she wouldn't be associated with her infamous, criminal father. She said she’s seeking the name change “to separate myself and my work from a public perception that has nothing to do with the person that I am.”

Any indigent person standing in front of a federal judge on charges of the same crimes as Manafort was found guilty of would be looking at a 30 years to life sentence. White privilege rules again.

I wonder how much of his **** the state siezed with asset forfeiture. Because if he were a common drug peddler his wife would be homeless, destitute and with no vehicles.

This sentence and this case has shown exactly what is wrong with this ****ing system.
 
How about you summarize gis direct participation?

Do your own damn homework. If you'd like, for a nominal fee, I can offer you the knowledge I have and show you how I gained it.

Let's monetize this.
 
That's just the point. Flynn has provided assistance to the special counsel, but NOT in any cases currently prosecuted. Which means Flynn's testimony has been helpful in other ways. My guess is Jared Kushner, in particular, did not enjoy reading that statement.
Possibly and I'd guess it's related to that Saudi-Russia nuclear deal, but who knows.

The SCO did what they could with Manafort. You can't FORCE a witness to turn (especially when they are in constant contact with the one person who can pardon them) and when Manafort began lying, Mueller's team knew it immediately and revoked the cooperation agreement.
It was a mistake not to pursue a gag and order to end the joint defense agreement, and an even bigger one to drop the DC charges before they knew how serious he was as a witness.

I understand dropping the charges in Virginia, but doing it in DC in a totally unrelated case gave-up way too much, too quick, especially when they had no yet gotten useful information yet.
How so? Manafort is going to jail for 7.5 years. If not for a lone juror, he would have been convicted on numerous other charges as well (the decision to refile has not been made, I don't believe). The prosecutors got convictions which could have put Manafort in jail for 30 years. But they don't get to decide jail time, the judge does. And the judges have given Manafort 7.5 years.
They should have understood the Virginia judge was hostile and was ready to give Manafort great leniency. Yes, nobody knew for sure how Ellis would rule, but they should have saved DC as a "break glass in case of emergency" for their federal charges, and not given up that leverage.

How is this a fumble in the least?
Obviously seven and half years with NY coming in the background is great, but dropping some of the charges they did so soon, when they had no idea what Manafort would give them, was just a major mistake, no other way to say it.
 
Damn, I had already written a long reply and my browser crashed, right as I pushed post reply.
Suffice to say, I didn't realize you had based your opinion by saying it was only accusations. It read to me more like you knew he was in fact, guilty. Sorry I missed that.

I live in the middle of nowhere, so I have very bad reception on my phone.

It does that to me all the time,.very few things more frustrating!
 
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