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Ocasio-Cortez and freshman allies amass power, creating problems for Pelosi and party

Ocasio-Cortez is Fox New's headache, problem and obsession. And now she is yours as well.
No she is Nancy's problem. She is like watching a cartoon. She is always good for a chuckle. Did you see her moronic questioning of the head of Wells Fargo? I was embarrassed for her. :lol:
 
Ocasio-Cortez and those like her are the future of the democratic party - those currently in power in that party will resist as they have already started doing, but in the end they will become the right wing of the democratic party, or republicans.

Trump thanks you.
 
There are pretty good chances that Trump will be re-elected, given the strong economy and the way the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot with these young radicals running their mouths in Congress.

One thing people need to understand: Trump is filling all the federal courts with conservative judges. Not just the SCOTUS but the lower courts too. He is cutting taxes for the rich. The GOP is delighted. They do not want to replace Trump.
There are two elements I think being overlooked here. I completely agree that the Republican party is riding Trump hard to get what they want, but that strategy is just about played out, and they're stuck with him and his pathological need to play to his base. During this period the Republican base is getting Trumpier, but smaller. See the 2018 results.

The two elements being missed, though, are the fragility of the economy as a result of his (and their) policies, and the energy the much younger and diverse Democratic field is generating. As to the first - the economy hasn't really ticked up, but maintained the trajectory of Obama's terms. It is more volatile (and vulnerable) now because of the tariffs tiffs. Foreign actors can manipulate the economy, short term (like at election time) by imposing new duties at just the right time. Moreover, it is a significant drag on major export markets like agriculture, manufacturing (See, Boeing), and services that depend on exports for revenue. There are already signs of slowing and a good chance of recession before 2020.CNBC. Also, the tax cuts are driving up the deficit and most taxpayers ended up with less or no refund this year (next year will be worse).

As to the second, consider the diversity and youth of the freshman class in the House. They got there because they tapped into a new energy of the youth vote, and demographic changes are accelerating this cycle. (Gen X and millennial are replacing boomers.) Although the Democratic field is large, I think Dem voters will coalesce behind whomever the nominee is in the end. They did it for Hillary even though she was not compelling, and they're more motivated, now. Trump's victory was a fluke - 87,000 votes, but those States have already turned bluer. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania now have Democratic governors. Moreover, the elections of 2018 showed that Democrats aren't sitting on their hands.

I'm not saying it Trump can't win. Electoral college dynamics favor the Republican candidate (See Bush 2000 and Trump 2016). But Democrats are hungry and Republicans are older and whiter than ever before. The bigger fight will be the Senate, but that also favors change.
 
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Jump, jump jump!

How many times can she be on fox news this week?

And please, it's hilarious to try and call me out for what others did to trump....lmao. ****ing balls on you guys.

You literally have no idea what I said do you?

I wasn't calling you out for what others did to trump....

I am calling you out for blindly cheering for AOC no matter what she says or how factually incorrect it is, the SAME THING that you accuse people doing with Trump,

You are doing it, just on the other side, and you don't even realize it,

I think your reading comprehension just went to crap.....
 
You literally have no idea what I said do you?

I wasn't calling you out for what others did to trump....

I am calling you out for blindly cheering for AOC no matter what she says or how factually incorrect it is, the SAME THING that you accuse people doing with Trump,

You are doing it, just on the other side, and you don't even realize it,

I think your reading comprehension just went to crap.....

Hold on, I don't blindly cheer on AOC.

I simply revel in the fact she lives rent free in y'all heads. And that she rankles fox news.

She was right about the racist policies of Reagan, though.
 
There are two elements I think being overlooked here. I completely agree that the Republican party is riding Trump hard to get what they want, but that strategy is just about played out, and they're stuck with him and his pathological need to play to his base. During this period the Republican base is getting Trumpier, but smaller. See the 2018 results.

The two elements being missed, though, are the fragility of the economy as a result of his (and their) policies, and the energy the much younger and diverse Democratic field is generating. As to the first - the economy hasn't really ticked up, but maintained the trajectory of Obama's terms. It is more volatile (and vulnerable) now because of the tariffs tiffs. Foreign actors can manipulate the economy, short term (like at election time) by imposing new duties at just the right time. Moreover, it is a significant drag on major export markets like agriculture, manufacturing (See, Boeing), and services that depend on exports for revenue. There are already signs of slowing and a good chance of recession before 2020.CNBC. Also, the tax cuts are driving up the deficit and most taxpayers ended up with less or no refund this year (next year will be worse).

As to the second, consider the diversity and youth of the freshman class in the House. They got there because they tapped into a new energy of the youth vote, and demographic changes are accelerating this cycle. (Gen X and millennial are replacing boomers.) Although the Democratic field is large, I think Dem voters will coalesce behind whomever the nominee is in the end. They did it for Hillary even though she was not compelling, and they're more motivated, now. Trump's victory was a fluke - 87,000 votes, but those States have already turned bluer. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania now have Democratic governors. Moreover, the elections of 2018 showed that Democrats aren't sitting on their hands.

I'm not saying it Trump can't win. Electoral college dynamics favor the Republican candidate (See Bush 2000 and Trump 2016). But Democrats are hungry and Republicans are older and whiter than ever before. The bigger fight will be the Senate, but that also favors change.
As the Democrats party runs to the left to win the primary they abandon people who have historically voted Democrat. Also all this investigation instead of legislation will show the Democrats are unworthy of power and control.
 
Hold on, I don't blindly cheer on AOC.

I simply revel in the fact she lives rent free in y'all heads. And that she rankles fox news.

She was right about the racist policies of Reagan, though.
You don't get is do you? She doesn't rankle Fox News they are laughing at her. Did you see her questioning the head of Wells Fargo? I was embarrassed for her. The CEO was truly confused by her stupid questions. There were so many more legit questions she could have asked him.
 
Hold on, I don't blindly cheer on AOC.

I simply revel in the fact she lives rent free in y'all heads. And that she rankles fox news.

She was right about the racist policies of Reagan, though.

Sure you do, it's as clear as day that you do,

As far as AOC living in people's heads, sure some, probably,

But the fact that you REFUSE to call her out for spreading misinformation or lies, and you jump to do the same to Trump,

CLEARLY shows that you don't care if she does it, because she is "on your side"
 
You don't get is do you? She doesn't rankle Fox News they are laughing at her. Did you see her questioning the head of Wells Fargo? I was embarrassed for her. The CEO was truly confused by her stupid questions. There were so many more legit questions she could have asked him.


No that was the best, the CEO trying to explain to her that Wells Fargo does not operate the pipeline,

She couldn't grasp why they wouldn't be responsible for a spillage.....it absolutely blew her mind.
 
Sure you do, it's as clear as day that you do,

As far as AOC living in people's heads, sure some, probably,

But the fact that you REFUSE to call her out for spreading misinformation or lies, and you jump to do the same to Trump,

CLEARLY shows that you don't care if she does it, because she is "on your side"

I don't have a side. I just enjoy seeing the right get all frustrated and triggered like the pathetically thin skinned little twerp snowflakes they are.
 
You don't get is do you? She doesn't rankle Fox News they are laughing at her. Did you see her questioning the head of Wells Fargo? I was embarrassed for her. The CEO was truly confused by her stupid questions. There were so many more legit questions she could have asked him.

I don't frankly care, and yes, she rankles Faux news. Faux news is a propaganda arm of the evangelist ignorance brigade of the GOP establishment. They fear her, and they should fear her.
 
I don't have a side. I just enjoy seeing the right get all frustrated and triggered like the pathetically thin skinned little twerp snowflakes they are.

Sure you have a side, you might not be smart enough to realize it....but look at your comment that you just made, if that's not having a side, I don't know what it is lol
 
I don't frankly care, and yes, she rankles Faux news. Faux news is a propaganda arm of the evangelist ignorance brigade of the GOP establishment. They fear her, and they should fear her.

They should fear someone who clearly doesn't know the difference between FINANCING a company, and OPERATING a company?

Holy crap you set the bar low.
 
Sure you have a side, you might not be smart enough to realize it....but look at your comment that you just made, if that's not having a side, I don't know what it is lol

My side is my side, I guess. Sorry, I didn't bite on HRC and dislike the left's assault on the 2nd amendment. So my side is me, and me alone.

Then again, you all so butt hurt over a freshman congresswoman who is outspoken. After years of hearing your briandead bleating about liberal snowflakes, the hypocrisy and irony is so ****ing delicious I have to revel in it.

You guys are all the same. Triggered little snowflakes on a race to see who's got the thinnest skin of them all.
 
As the Democrats party runs to the left to win the primary they abandon people who have historically voted Democrat. Also all this investigation instead of legislation will show the Democrats are unworthy of power and control.
Rote reaction does not equate to reason.
 
They should fear someone who clearly doesn't know the difference between FINANCING a company, and OPERATING a company?

Holy crap you set the bar low.

They should, yes, because she threatens the hegemony of evangelical ne'er do wells of the Falwell description.

And I am loving the fact she has all of you stuck on her wavelength.

Just like Trump, ignore her and she will go away. But y'all so thirsty for revenge politics you can't let it go.
 
They should, yes, because she threatens the hegemony of evangelical ne'er do wells of the Falwell description.

And I am loving the fact she has all of you stuck on her wavelength.

Just like Trump, ignore her and she will go away. But y'all so thirsty for revenge politics you can't let it go.


All of me? Naw, I don't pay attention to her, only when threads like these come along and people like you can't even admit what she said was wrong or that she has no idea what she is doing up there, the fact that she can't tell the difference between financing a company and operating a company and how they can possibly be different, she can't fathom that......there's no threat there because of that.
 
All of me? Naw, I don't pay attention to her, only when threads like these come along and people like you can't even admit what she said was wrong or that she has no idea what she is doing up there, the fact that she can't tell the difference between financing a company and operating a company and how they can possibly be different, she can't fathom that......there's no threat there because of that.

Who cares? Why do you think it matters what she does?

Our president is a completely useless hack that doesn't understand how fast food is unhealthy, doesn't think the climate is changing, and wants to believe we're still 1950's america.

How can you not criticize him, if you constantly criticize her?

It's absurd.
 
I don't frankly care, and yes, she rankles Faux news. Faux news is a propaganda arm of the evangelist ignorance brigade of the GOP establishment. They fear her, and they should fear her.
You really don't get it. She is always good for poking fun at how stupid the Left can be. :laughat:
 
You really don't get it. She is always good for poking fun at how stupid the Left can be. :laughat:

I really don't care. The conservative outrage over her accurate depiction of Reagan's "Welfare queen" commentary as blatantly racist was rich and endearing.

Cute lil snowflakes!
 
There is real fear on the right over Ocasio Cortez, far out of proportion to her status as a freshman Representative from a solidly liberal District. One wonders why?

My theory is, because she is very effective and represents the future they so fear. How many objectors, here, are under 40? I suspect almost none. How many are white? I suspect all. Male? Almost all. AOC is everything they fear. She's smart, good looking, young, female, articulate, unabashedly liberal, and non-white. In 60 days as a legislator she has taken over the narrative. Everyone - right and left - is talking about the Green New Deal. How many are talking about the wall? [Crickets]

I admit, I thought she was a flash in the pan, and would become yesterday's news. then I saw her eviscerate a witness in a hearing. Then I saw a video of her questioning an expert about finances. And then, while watching the Cohen hearing, I saw her do more in 4:17 than every other Representative did in the other 7+ hours. That's when I understood why they fear her so. She's good.
 
There is real fear on the right over Ocasio Cortez, far out of proportion to her status as a freshman Representative from a solidly liberal District. One wonders why?

My theory is, because she is very effective and represents the future they so fear. How many objectors, here, are under 40? I suspect almost none. How many are white? I suspect all. Male? Almost all. AOC is everything they fear. She's smart, good looking, young, female, articulate, unabashedly liberal, and non-white. In 60 days as a legislator she has taken over the narrative. Everyone - right and left - is talking about the Green New Deal. How many are talking about the wall? [Crickets]

I admit, I thought she was a flash in the pan, and would become yesterday's news. then I saw her eviscerate a witness in a hearing. Then I saw a video of her questioning an expert about finances. And then, while watching the Cohen hearing, I saw her do more in 4:17 than every other Representative did in the other 7+ hours. That's when I understood why they fear her so. She's good.

She's new, and she's shiny. That's the appeal right now.

She is doing what Trump did, just to a different base with a different message of course.

The fact that she can't differentiate between financing a company and operating a company, speaks VOLUMES about her. The fact that she thinks the same way Trump does, that facts don't matter, speaks volumes about her, and the people that support her.

I think she can be good, I think she can do good, but what she wants to do, simply isn't feasible, There are parts of her new green deal that are good, and parts that are absolutely idiotic, and her success will hinge on her ability to adapt to what she can do and to throw away what she can't, and I don't think she can do that.
 
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I've been talking about Pelosi's headache. Here's an article about it. But Dems brought this on themselves. They keep veering left, until they get socialists elected.

Well, normally I would just pass on this thread as it just appears to be another rightwing kick AoC thread.

You see, in my environment, the only people I see giving AoC an ounce of weight are the whiny right. The libbos and dems I know could give two-****s about AoC and the rightwing can punch her all they want because she is rather insignificant to them. Punch away guys. Nobody cares.

But American is right. She is the left's "pain-in-the-ass" who represents a demographic outlier that is getting way too much print from the rightwing propaganda machine.

But this argument from the left-side extremos, who might actually support AoC, that America needs to shift more left is not much different from the right-side extremos who were insisting that America needed to shift further to the right, some years back.

I always argued against the right-wing extremos that shifting further right would alienate moderate conservatives, such as myself, and they just called us RINO's. First, they started out as the Tea Party as you may recall. The idea was embraced by people ranging center left all the way to the right. Unfortunantly, the Tea Party got hijacked by the rightwing extremo side and it eventually has morphed in to the cult of Trumpism. Needless to say, the moderates and "RINO's" lost interest in the "Tea Party" idea. This left the party somewhat split. The republican's hold the least percentage of the American population as well as the least percentage of registered voters. Yet, here we are. With a Republican president all the same.

Yes. Nancy need to stuff a sock in AoC for the right will surely pounce on every word she says and try to sell it as a broad brush democrat reflection.

Have a nice day all.
 
There is real fear on the right over Ocasio Cortez, far out of proportion to her status as a freshman Representative from a solidly liberal District. One wonders why?

My theory is, because she is very effective and represents the future they so fear. How many objectors, here, are under 40? I suspect almost none. How many are white? I suspect all. Male? Almost all. AOC is everything they fear. She's smart, good looking, young, female, articulate, unabashedly liberal, and non-white. In 60 days as a legislator she has taken over the narrative. Everyone - right and left - is talking about the Green New Deal. How many are talking about the wall? [Crickets]

I admit, I thought she was a flash in the pan, and would become yesterday's news. then I saw her eviscerate a witness in a hearing. Then I saw a video of her questioning an expert about finances. And then, while watching the Cohen hearing, I saw her do more in 4:17 than every other Representative did in the other 7+ hours. That's when I understood why they fear her so. She's good.

AOC is awesome! She is smart, fun, and crazy. You can't help but pay attention and either like or hate her. I love her personally. It throws people off because I totally think dem socialist ideas are batcrap crazy, but there is a difference between the person representing them and the views themselves. AOC has been heavily watched and they managed to find a few things they can paint as shady, but she's up front, unapologetic, and I think really honest. She will be fine.

I don't like people painting it as fear of her or a crush on her. There are real reasons for the right to be bothered by her, whether you agree or not. She's front page for as many dem sites as GOP (maybe more). Everyone is paying attention and those who disagree with her feel the need to speak up. At least most of them, I'm kind of the exception.

I will happily debate the points of her proposals, but I won't say she is somehow bad. She is awesome. I like to let her work speak for itself because I honestly believe it supports libertarian ideals for her to be unfiltered. I may be wrong, but I see no harm in letting her go for it.

She's loud, unafraid of media attention, and asks for everyone to look at her. It's pretty damn hard to pretend it's all some imaginary right-wing attack on her from hormones or fear.
 
There is real fear on the right over Ocasio Cortez, far out of proportion to her status as a freshman Representative from a solidly liberal District. One wonders why?

My theory is, because she is very effective and represents the future they so fear. How many objectors, here, are under 40? I suspect almost none. How many are white? I suspect all. Male? Almost all. AOC is everything they fear. She's smart, good looking, young, female, articulate, unabashedly liberal, and non-white. In 60 days as a legislator she has taken over the narrative. Everyone - right and left - is talking about the Green New Deal. How many are talking about the wall? [Crickets]

I admit, I thought she was a flash in the pan, and would become yesterday's news. then I saw her eviscerate a witness in a hearing. Then I saw a video of her questioning an expert about finances. And then, while watching the Cohen hearing, I saw her do more in 4:17 than every other Representative did in the other 7+ hours. That's when I understood why they fear her so. She's good.
The only person that is afraid of AOC is Nancy Pelosi AOC is a very real threat to Nancy's power. You are correct that she is a reasonably attractive young female. I'm not sure if that qualifies her for the job however. Articulate??? Um No.

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