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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Not always.

    My friends dad tried to get him into the prep school i attend. He offered a donation and was told no. Of course that was in 1967.
    Yes, "always" is not a modifier I'd have applied or implied. I don't know anyone who would. There are always exceptions.

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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    So let me get this straight, if a sexual assault occurs on campus the university is supposed to investigate the crime? And if cheating happens the FBI investigates?
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Yes, "always" is not a modifier I'd have applied or implied. I don't know anyone who would. There are always exceptions.

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    Wait...what? Are you currently in prep school? How old is your friend?
    I do time travel so my post is accurate.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    I do time travel so my post is accurate.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    So let me get this straight, if a sexual assault occurs on campus the university is supposed to investigate the crime? And if cheating happens the FBI investigates?
    Let's have Mueller investigate both! He'll be out of work soon.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    I think what's most important here is determining whether or not these people will spend more or less time in jail than Paul Manafort.

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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    How is this any different than people paying Google to alter search engine results that are favorable?

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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I thought liberals were all about fairness. I guess it only applies unless cheating benefits them.
    One of the actresses charged is an avowed christian conservative....Try again
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeptic Bob View Post
    So let me get this straight, if a sexual assault occurs on campus the university is supposed to investigate the crime? And if cheating happens the FBI investigates?
    The FBI/DoJ didn't charge anyone with cheating on the SAT or cheating the college admissions process. The Feds variously charged folks with committing and/or conspiring to commit mail/wire fraud, racketeering, money laundering, and defrauding the US.

    Some parties have been charged with something called "honest services fraud," which, in the public sphere, is cheating of the sort involved. The thing is that in most of these admissions cases, the schools involved and the college board are private organizations, which makes dubitable the probability of obtaining an "honest services" conviction. As the ABA notes, "what conduct constitutes a denial of honest services in the private sector remains astonishingly unclear." Few folks have trouble seeing the unethicality of much private sector "shenanigans;" however, what's unethical isn't necessarily illegal.

    That is what I earlier alluded to in remarking about what I'd prosecute in this matter. I think for most of the parents and kids involved, the persons who benefitted from the payments/scheme, it may not be possible or feasible to penalize them beyond consigning them to ignominy. Members of society can exact a host of punishments -- cancel their club memberships and "black ball" them re: subsequent applications, prohibit them from entry even with their friends who still belong, withhold invitations to certain events, prohibit them from receiving professional recognition, etc. -- and those things strike me as more punitive than would be sending them to jail.

    That may not seem like much of a punishment to some folks, but I can assure you that for folks who belong to and dwell in a certain segment of society, it's very much one for folks who've spent their lives apart from the hoi polloi (realizing that term pertains as much to character as it does with wealth) and now they have no choice but to socialize only with them, it'd be quite painful.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I thought liberals were all about fairness. I guess it only applies unless cheating benefits them.
    Why are you bringing up liberals and making this partisan? Seen any liberals defend this crap on this thread? If so take it up with them. I don't defend it, although I agree with others that it's been going in in some form for a long time. My favorite is "legacy" admissions, which is common in the Ivy Leagues and is just affirmative action for rich white people. I've said many times I don't know why if we care about "affirmative action" for poor people and/or minorities that we don't address affirmative action for rich people, which is so ingrained we don't even recognize it for what it IS.

    Jared Kushner had his application helped a bit I imagine with a $2.5 million gift from daddy to Harvard the year before little Jared applied.

    The Story Behind Jared Kushner’s Curious Acceptance Into Harvard — ProPublica

    I obviously cannot prove it over the internet but an acquaintance of mine made a 7 figure donation to get his daughter into his alma mater. Worked, too, even though her record was unremarkable.

    But, yeah, rigging test scores or fraudulently claiming athlete status is wrong and people should pay a price for their fraud. The guy running it should go to jail. Not sure what should happen to the parents - something that hurts, if not jail.

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