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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    This is about acceptance into the school rather than about performance once accepted.
    Yep. College is like the rest of adulthood. One's got to perform on one's own, and unless one materially over-underperforms, nobody's going to notice.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Lets see...elizabeth warren cheats and claims to be a minority to get an unfair advantage over people who actually were minorities....leftist actors cheat to get their kids unfair advantages over others who deserved it. Both have the audacity to claim Trump is the dishonest one. Are we seeing a pattern yet dems?

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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by pamak View Post
    Nooooo!

    They donate their money because they are compassionate and believe that charities are the solution for helping common people receive any type of service. This is why the US is one of the countries with the highest rates of donations and highest rates of poverty and inequality...[sarcasm intended]
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    Though your sarcasm was intended, people of means donate for reasons such as that you posited. That they do doesn't mean their doing so doesn't also come with certain perquisites. One'd be greatly naive to construe that both things -- charity and the perqs -- don't coexist in the minds of certain donors, and it'd be equally naive or cynical to think one or the other is absent in the minds of certain donors.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    Thornton Mellon School of Business!


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    That deserved more than just a "like".

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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    No one does except him, the schools he went to and the officials who work/worked there, and maybe a few others.

    I'm basing my statement on his actions, which to me indicate an idiot who probably got C's at best.
    What the public know is the grades Trump wasn't among the top academic performers in his class. His name is conspicuously absent from the listed names of students who graduated with honors. He thus was not the "excellent student" he claims to have been.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    While many folks are focused on the college admissions aspect of the matter, the thing that should concern one is the illegal conduct: the mail/wire fraud, racketeering, defrauding the US, and the conspiracy to commit such criminally culpable acts.

    Plain and simple, as go private colleges and university, the notion that it's illegal to "finagle" one's way into admission is hardly illegal, however unethical it may be.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Red:
    Though your sarcasm was intended, people of means donate for reasons such as that you posited. That they do doesn't mean their doing so doesn't also come with certain perquisites. One'd be greatly naive to construe that both things -- charity and the perqs -- don't coexist in the minds of certain donors, and it'd be equally naive or cynical to think one or the other is absent in the minds of certain donors.
    Valid point, but as long as the donations of the wealthiest class on the planet is not enough to provide the services that poor get in other developed countries, it shows that the wealthy in the US are incapable of offering better solutions through their ideology of using charities to address social problems. And this reflects the fact that even though there is in the minds of some donors some form of willingness to help those in need, it is not enough to provide superior outcomes compared to the "socialist" policies of other developed counties.

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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Your position [is] that it isn't a very big deal that parents are using their wealth to pay for their kids to cheat their children's applications to get them accepted.
    Context is "everything." If the parents do so in the right way, I don't have a problem with their using their wealth to secure their kids' admission. The way(s) the parents involved in the matter for which they've now been indicted was not among the right ways, and I don't condone the parents' having used such modes to get their kids admitted to the respective schools.
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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Context is "everything." If the parents do so in the right way, I don't have a problem with their using their wealth to secure their kids' admission. The way(s) the parents involved in the matter for which they've now been indicted was not among the right ways, and I don't condone the parents' having used such modes to get their kids admitted to the respective schools.
    In other words, you have a problem with meritocracy...

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    Re: Actresses, prominent business owners charged in nationwide college admissions cheating scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaOmega View Post
    Lets see...elizabeth warren cheats and claims to be a minority to get an unfair advantage over people who actually were minorities....leftist actors cheat to get their kids unfair advantages over others who deserved it. Both have the audacity to claim Trump is the dishonest one. Are we seeing a pattern yet dems?
    What?
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