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"I am not for impeachment," Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Sadly (for Trump supporters), the congressional investigations will not end anytime soon. Sure to last at least up until he is voted out of office.
And the majority of the people will see that as the House abusing their power. I predict the House will shift back to Republicans in the next election if they keep investigating and don't start legislating. If the Dems continue to shift to the left to win their primary I don't think they will win a national presidential election.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Sadly (for Trump supporters), the congressional investigations will not end anytime soon. Sure to last at least up until he is voted out of office.

It is only sad for sane supporters of due process and constitutionalism.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

It's been the Republicks who have started roughly every AOC thread, claiming this big split in the Democratic party. I don't see it myself. There's always been the far left wing and the more moderate/corporate center, with the latter in actual control.

Yeah, that much is true.
There's a reason for all the AOC noise.
Politics.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Yes, Fox News talks about them 24/7. Most Fox News viewers will oppose them anyway.

They aren't their party leaders. They aren't running the party. Pelosi is. That's a pretty undisputable fact. if they were running the party, they would be convening articles of impeachment against Trump right now and there wouldn't have been even a penny given to Trump for his wall.

Tres, I don't watch Fox News. I am talking about mainstream news sources, twitter feeds and internet sources and I don't mean just the right leaning ones. And you can't read because I didn't say they were, I said the appearances were being given that they were because their viewpoint is driving the news cycle and commentary, but not policy.

Quit being contrary and just slow down and read what I actually wrote, not what you want to be there.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Tres, I don't watch Fox News. I am talking about mainstream news sources, twitter feeds and internet sources and I don't mean just the right leaning ones. And you can't read because I didn't say they were, I said the appearances were being given that they were because their viewpoint is driving the news cycle and commentary, but not policy.

Quit being contrary and just slow down and read what I actually wrote, not what you want to be there.

I read fine. The "news cycle" they control is that of the right. Fox News. Right leaning pundits. They don't lead the party. They don't make Pelosi do what they want. The right is making things up that are not true.

If you can find a left leaning media source that says that AOC and the others are the party leaders now, please share it. I've only seen Fox News, alt-right sites, and right leaning posters on this board say that.

Michele Bachmann made the news all the time when she was saying dumb things as a Congressional Tea Party rep. Did you consider her the leader of the Republican Party, because she drove the left as crazy as AOC drives the right, and they posted about her on left leaning blogs and made fun of her on MSNBC? That is a very serious question.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

They're already looking into the mob boss's finances.

From your own source:

The inquiry by Ms. James’s office is a civil investigation, not a criminal one, although its focus and scope were unclear.

Political fishing expedition.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Adam Schiff and gang are set to interrogate dozens of Trump associates in an effort to uncover some sort of crime, hoping that will lead to Trump's removal before he can nominate another SCOTUS justice.


If they have probable cause, and they do, then the are doing their constitutionally required jobs.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

I read fine. The "news cycle" they control is that of the right. Fox News. Right leaning pundits. They don't lead the party. They don't make Pelosi do what they want. The right is making things up that are not true.

If you can find a left leaning media source that says that AOC and the others are the party leaders now, please share it. I've only seen Fox News, alt-right sites, and right leaning posters on this board say that.

Michele Bachmann made the news all the time when she was saying dumb things as a Congressional Tea Party rep. Did you consider her the leader of the Republican Party, because she drove the left as crazy as AOC drives the right, and they posted about her on left leaning blogs and made fun of her on MSNBC? That is a very serious question.

You can't read for ****. I said they were driving the news cycle not the party, yet you keep insisting I am saying party. Further they are getting news attention from almost all sources---left and right. Attention does not mean I am saying they lead the party, burn that straw man in your dumpster fire of an argument.

It would help if you discuss what I actually post not what you want me to post and then bull**** your way through it like I did post that...over and over.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

You can't read for ****. I said they were driving the news cycle not the party, yet you keep insisting I am saying party. Further they are getting news attention from almost all sources---left and right. Attention does not mean I am saying they lead the party, burn that straw man in your dumpster fire of an argument.

It would help if you discuss what I actually post not what you want me to post and then bull**** your way through it like I did post that...over and over.

What the hell is wrong with your post? I was polite, and I was posting with someone else about a false claim that they are the leaders of the party. You chime in, I make a polite post to you, and you come back with a personal attack.

I don't engage in troll posts.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Personally I can understand Pelosi's view on this. However, I guess I can understand the progressives anger too. They were certain she would guarantee them impeachment of GW for war crimes and she took it off the table. Now they fear she will do the same here. They are concerned that if Mueller doesnt come out and aggressively says Trump is bad then this will permanently take it off the table. What I dont get though is why at this late point in the game, wouldnt the democrats want to run against Trump in 2020? Why risk him gone and the GOP holding another primary? That could lead to a Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley or Ben Sasse winning. They would be harder to beat.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

What the hell is wrong with your post? I was polite, and I was posting with someone else about a false claim that they are the leaders of the party. You chime in, I make a polite post to you, and you come back with a personal attack.

I don't engage in troll posts.

I chime in and you insist I stated something I did not after being told not to do exactly that. You certainly do engage in troll posts, you make them.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Nope.

The GOP should have at least tried to not turn a blind eye to everything. They should have provided just a little oversight. Instead, they ignored everything related to the WH.

Blame them.

Hello??? Did you forget the Obama presidency? :lamo :lamo
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

I chime in and you insist I stated something I did not after being told not to do exactly that. You certainly do engage in troll posts, you make them.

You chimed in and went off topic. I even addressed your topic about the "news cycle" they "control". I never said YOU said it about being party leaders, but since you jumped in on my post to someone else about exactly that, don't lose your marbles when I get back to MY point.

The only one who trolled in here was you. Deal with it. I tried to post to you like you were posting as an adult who was interested in what I was posting about when you jumped in the middle of it. I won't make that same mistake twice.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Personally I can understand Pelosi's view on this. However, I guess I can understand the progressives anger too. They were certain she would guarantee them impeachment of GW for war crimes and she took it off the table. Now they fear she will do the same here. They are concerned that if Mueller doesnt come out and aggressively says Trump is bad then this will permanently take it off the table. What I dont get though is why at this late point in the game, wouldnt the democrats want to run against Trump in 2020? Why risk him gone and the GOP holding another primary? That could lead to a Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley or Ben Sasse winning. They would be harder to beat.

Hey pilot. Just curious - are you thinking that they will have an easier time beating Trump than another Republican (the ones you mentioned or even others, like Kasich)? If so, I agree with you.

That's why, as much as I oppose Trump being in that job, I have no interest in seeing him forcibly removed from office or even being forced to resign. Unless something really changes, he is highly beatable.

But that said, I'd rather see Rubio or someone else in that office than any of the Democrats who have declared so far. I voted for Rubio in 2016 and would do it again.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Hey pilot. Just curious - are you thinking that they will have an easier time beating Trump than another Republican (the ones you mentioned or even others, like Kasich)? If so, I agree with you.

That's why, as much as I oppose Trump being in that job, I have no interest in seeing him forcibly removed from office or even being forced to resign. Unless something really changes, he is highly beatable.

But that said, I'd rather see Rubio or someone else in that office than any of the Democrats who have declared so far. I voted for Rubio in 2016 and would do it again.

At this point, Trump should be easy to beat. In 2016, at least some people didnt know him or pay attention so they may have voted for him. If you recall early on pundits had predicted a Bush v Clinton election and I think the voters went UGH. So when Trump and Sanders entered and did as well as they did, voters got energized. Trumps republicans remained fairly energized but when Hillary won, the left didn't. So in 2020, the left should be super energized and should win easily. Now having said that, there are some early warnings. If Schultz runs as an indie that could throw off the election or if some infighting endangers the democrats again then all bets could be off. But a traditional moderate dem candidate should win. If Trump gets impeached by late fall, then there will be a whole new primary for 2020. At that point it could be a huge contingent coming forward and its anybodys game.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

At this point, Trump should be easy to beat. In 2016, at least some people didnt know him or pay attention so they may have voted for him. If you recall early on pundits had predicted a Bush v Clinton election and I think the voters went UGH. So when Trump and Sanders entered and did as well as they did, voters got energized. Trumps republicans remained fairly energized but when Hillary won, the left didn't. So in 2020, the left should be super energized and should win easily. Now having said that, there are some early warnings. If Schultz runs as an indie that could throw off the election or if some infighting endangers the democrats again then all bets could be off. But a traditional moderate dem candidate should win. If Trump gets impeached by late fall, then there will be a whole new primary for 2020. At that point it could be a huge contingent coming forward and its anybodys game.

I don't think anyone took Trump seriously until he won New Hampshire. But I'm still convinced that happened because the vote was so split between the others running (with a chance), like Rubio, Kasich, Bush, Christie and Cruz. If 2 of them wasn't in it, he wouldn't have won NH.

I think what also may work against Trump in 2020 is that a lot of people voted for him in the General Election because he wasn't Hillary Clinton. How motivated will those same people be if it's Biden or Booker? Hard to tell.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

I don't think anyone took Trump seriously until he won New Hampshire. But I'm still convinced that happened because the vote was so split between the others running (with a chance), like Rubio, Kasich, Bush, Christie and Cruz. If 2 of them wasn't in it, he wouldn't have won NH.

I think what also may work against Trump in 2020 is that a lot of people voted for him in the General Election because he wasn't Hillary Clinton. How motivated will those same people be if it's Biden or Booker? Hard to tell.

True, with so many running its hard to say what will happen. Plus he was the loudest one at the debates. So the others either had to stay quiet or engage him and that wasnt a great idea. I also read (not sure how true it is) but a lot of voters who hadnt voted in a long time came out to support him. I did know quite a few who voted for Trump in NH because he was "different." They were tired of the ordinary or so they claimed.

As for 2020, yea I think most can beat him. But I also know the libertarians and the greens are out trying to recruit big names for 2020 and a few like Schultz and Cuban havent ruled it out as running as indies. If Sanders should win and put a far leftie in as his VP, I suppose Trump could win again. There are a lot who would be turned off particularly the elderly who still see socialism in a particularly negative light.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

True, with so many running its hard to say what will happen. Plus he was the loudest one at the debates. So the others either had to stay quiet or engage him and that wasnt a great idea. I also read (not sure how true it is) but a lot of voters who hadnt voted in a long time came out to support him. I did know quite a few who voted for Trump in NH because he was "different." They were tired of the ordinary or so they claimed.

As for 2020, yea I think most can beat him. But I also know the libertarians and the greens are out trying to recruit big names for 2020 and a few like Schultz and Cuban havent ruled it out as running as indies. If Sanders should win and put a far leftie in as his VP, I suppose Trump could win again. There are a lot who would be turned off particularly the elderly who still see socialism in a particularly negative light.

Call me crazy (many do). But I don't see Sanders winning. I don't even see him winning New Hampshire again.

I know a few people here who voted for Trump because he was "different" too. Those same people now wish they hadn't done that. Different doesn't always mean better. In Trump's case, it for sure didn't.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Call me crazy (many do). But I don't see Sanders winning. I don't even see him winning New Hampshire again.

I know a few people here who voted for Trump because he was "different" too. Those same people now wish they hadn't done that. Different doesn't always mean better. In Trump's case, it for sure didn't.

I dont know about Sanders yet. He still is packing them in at rallies but I dont know either if he will win. He was lucky in 2016 as few candidates ran and he could be the different one. In 2020 he is the known entity. Its all going to hinge on the debates. Biden thus far is polling well ahead but I could also see him failing to win which would be a shame since I think he would have won easily in 2016. For all I know it could end up being Beto or Klobuchar. The debates will be telling.
 
‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats



No collusion. No impeachment. No nothing.

Just not going your way, eh libs?

This is actually smart. Democrats are circling the drain right because of Ocasio-Cortez, Kamala, Oman, Booker, Bernie, etc, and this would only put 10 more nails in the coffin.

Democrats are in a frenzy right now. This whole push to the far left in policy from infanticide, new green deal, "free" healthcare for all, and open borders is not a winning hand and they know it. That's why Rahm Emanuel had a piece today warning the party the far push to the left will almost certain get Trump re-elected. Yet you got crazy Maxine and others out there full throttle still pushing for impeachment. And you got Bernie out there pulling in huge crowds who stands for all the above far left socialist approach. They are sweating bullets that ole Bernie will win the primary. And then Trump will win the election because most independents are not going to vote for Bernie as well as centrist Democrats.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

I dont know about Sanders yet. He still is packing them in at rallies but I dont know either if he will win. He was lucky in 2016 as few candidates ran and he could be the different one. In 2020 he is the known entity. Its all going to hinge on the debates. Biden thus far is polling well ahead but I could also see him failing to win which would be a shame since I think he would have won easily in 2016. For all I know it could end up being Beto or Klobuchar. The debates will be telling.

I went to one of the GOP debates at St. A's. They're always good.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

Reading your posts i would not put you into the group of never trumpers. You disagree with him on things and dont like him personally but i dont recall seeing anything from you that showed an extreme bias.

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What, other than the bolded above, is a "never Trumper"?
 
Democrats are in a frenzy right now. This whole push to the far left in policy from infanticide, new green deal, "free" healthcare for all, and open borders is not a winning hand and they know it. That's why Rahm Emanuel had a piece today warning the party the far push to the left will almost certain get Trump re-elected. Yet you got crazy Maxine and others out there full throttle still pushing for impeachment. And you got Bernie out there pulling in huge crowds who stands for all the above far left socialist approach. They are sweating bullets that ole Bernie will win the primary. And then Trump will win the election because most independents are not going to vote for Bernie as well as centrist Democrats.

I'm a little tired of hearing from people like Rahm Emanuel. You conservatives aren't shy about pointing out the absolute destruction of the Democratic party when it was run according to guys like Rahm and the rest of the 2016 DNC crowd of corporate centrists. Just look at the results - disaster across the board until the BIGGER disaster that is Trump bailed out the party in 2018.

The problem is the Democratic party quit even trying to appeal on policy to the working class, instead running on "we're not quite as crappy as the GOP!! ELECT US!!" Well, gosh, wonder why that doesn't inspire people....?

The danger in running to the left is if the party does like the GOP has done to some extent and creates purity tests, and purging those who are centrists, running in centrist districts and states. It's fine to warn against that, but guys like Rahm can shove it as far as I'm concerned. Just take the ACA. Rahm helped jam through that centrist garbage and what did it get the Democrats? The GOP still spent the next decade calling it socialism, and those who should be prime Democratic voters realized that it didn't help a lot of working people outside the ranks of the poor. So it was in some ways a policy failure because it didn't go far enough, and a political disaster, with Democrats running AWAY from ACA for all the Obama years. That's Rahm's doing, and the 'centrists' in the party who pushed the ACA so far to the right. I'm not interested in hearing anything from him.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

And the majority of the people will see that as the House abusing their power. I predict the House will shift back to Republicans in the next election if they keep investigating and don't start legislating. If the Dems continue to shift to the left to win their primary I don't think they will win a national presidential election.

False.

The only ones to cry foul will be the same 33-37% as usual.

You know, Trump's base.
 
Re: ‘I’m not for impeachment,’ Pelosi says, potentially roiling fellow Democrats

It is only sad for sane supporters of due process and constitutionalism.

You throw those words around like you think you know what they mean in these applications. Does not appear so.

There is no "due process" in Congress. Toss that out. That is a legal phrase.

As for "constitutionalism", oversight is one of the implied powers of Congress. There is no violation of the Constitution there.
 
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