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Exclusive: In budget, Trump to ask Congress for $8.6 billion for border wall

Cardinal said:
Trump is dragging the country through hell, he knows it, and he's totally cool with it.
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A little hyperbolic for a Monday morning aren't you?
 
AlbqOwl said:
President Trump doesn't work for Pelosi either and he has constitutional responsibility and authority to provide national security and defense. While 'most Americans' said they didn't want the wall in one poll that has been parroted all over the media and internet, also, according to recent polls, most Americans want Pelosi to stop obstructing the President and put funding for the wall in the budget.
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Can you post a link to the polls that show most Americans want Pelosi to stop "obstructing" Trump and put funding in the budget for a wall?
 
Chomsky said:
So tell me, how does Trump prevail? Do you think he will win another shutdown?
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Simple.
It doesn't matter anymore. All he has to do is let the public see the Democrats NOT protect the border.
And next time, there will be double the number of "refugees" all over the place. It'll be a real ****-show.

Enjoy that...
 
AlbqOwl said:
President Trump doesn't work for Pelosi either and he has constitutional responsibility and authority to provide national security and defense.
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Trump and his supporters don't give a **** about the Constitution as was made clear by his emergency declaration to subvert Congress' powers.
 
trump can ask for 80 Billion....or 8...He ain't going to get it...He can shove it up his ass
 
tres borrachos said:
Can you post a link to the polls that show most Americans want Pelosi to stop "obstructing" Trump and put funding in the budget for a wall?
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No she cannot. There is no such poll by a valid pollster. Yet another "alternative truth".
 
Geoist said:
Trump and his supporters don't give a **** about the Constitution as was made clear by his emergency declaration to subvert Congress' powers.
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What horse ****.
What Constitutional law has he broken? I understand this was the first Executive Order from Trump?
Say...how many old Obama Executive Orders are still in effect?
 
SLC said:
He wins by showing that the Dems don't want border security.
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Wrong, it shows they are bit willing to pay for a wall that will do little to stop illegals from entering. You do know most illegals cross at checkpoints that have a wall, don't you?
 
SLC said:
He wins by showing that the Dems don't want border security.
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The question is more about how the border is secured. The Democrats already approved funding to continue securing the border; this becomes an argument over not wanting to secure it as Trump wants to.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Just for sake of argument:

One of the President's campaign issues and an important factor for most of us who voted for him was to get a handle on illegal immigration, including a wall/fence/barrier.

So if he insists on that in order to sign a budget.

And Pelosi won't put it in the budget.

Which one is causing the government to be shut down?
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He is. It doesn't matter if you voted for him on that issue. Many other people voted against him and/or for many of those Democrats sitting in Congress right now to oppose that issue, to do their job and only go forward with reasonable measures for the border. Many in this country do not consider a border wall to be a reasonable measure at all, and push those in Congress to not support it, not fund it.
 
SLC said:
He wins by showing that the Dems don't want border security.
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They've shown multiple times that they will fund border security, just not what he is trying to get. Just because they don't want to build the wall does not mean they don't want border security.
 
Geoist said:
Source?

We haven't had over 1 million since 2006.

3 Charts That Show What's Actually Happening Along The Southern Border : NPR
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I said about a million. BP caught 66,000 in February at that rate that would be 858,000 that the BP catches a year and we all know they do not catch them all. If 20% slip through undetected that would be over 1 million illegal crossings at the current rate. That is more people than live in San Francisco. That is more people than live in each of the states of Rhode Island, Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont , or Wyoming. I'd call that an emergency.

U.S. officials say last month's illegal border crossings maxed out system capacity - The San Diego Union-Tribune

The number of people caught crossing illegally into the U.S. along the southwest border in February was the most in any month in about a decade.

More than 66,000 people were apprehended by Border Patrol last month, according to Customs and Border Protection data, the most since March 2009 when agents caught over 67,000. More than 8,700 of those caught crossing illegally in February — about 13 percent of apprehensions — were trying to cross into California.
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SLC said:
He wins by showing that the Dems don't want border security.
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That would be a very foolish conclusion to reach, unless you can show research published in reputable journals showing that this is a cost effective method of stopping illegal immigration?

In reality Trump and his base lose by demonstrating they apparently don't understand ladders. Who is going to hire someone like this?
 
AlbqOwl said:
President Trump doesn't work for Pelosi either and he has constitutional responsibility and authority to provide national security and defense. While 'most Americans' said they didn't want the wall in one poll that has been parroted all over the media and internet, also, according to recent polls, most Americans want Pelosi to stop obstructing the President and put funding for the wall in the budget.
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There is not constitutional need or requirement to build a wall nor any evidence that a wall will make us safer in any way.
 
roguenuke said:
They've shown multiple times that they will fund border security, just not what he is trying to get. Just because they don't want to build the wall does not mean they don't want border security.
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They have supported secure fencing in the past now they won't. They say they want border security but they will not take the advice of what the BP says it needs fencing. Trump offered a compromise that included over $ 805,000 to strengthen border check points with more personnel and technology but the Dems rejected it. The Dems are long on talk and short on action when it comes to border security. We are on pace for about 1million illegal crossings in 2019. And then we also have the drug problem. The Dems don't want to give Trump a victory. They are more worried about their personal power than your personal security.
 
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Buzz62 said:
What horse ****.
What Constitutional law has he broken? I understand this was the first Executive Order from Trump?
Say...how many old Obama Executive Orders are still in effect?
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What are you talking about? Do you know the difference between an Executive Order and a Declaration of a National Emergency? Because this post indicates you don't. Trump signed 98 EOs so far in his Presidency. Obama signed 276 throughout his 8 years. As for National Emergencies, Obama put into effect 12, while Trump has put into effect 4. The majority of Obama's were sanctions. None of Obama's National Emergencies involved the military.
 
SLC said:
They have supported secure fencing in the past now they won't. They say they want border security but they will not take the advice of what the BP says it needs to create border security. Trump offered a compromise that included over 805,00 to strengthen border check points with more personnel and technology but the Dems rejected it. The Dems are long on talk and short on action when it comes to border security. We are on pace for about 1million illegal crossings in 2019. And then we also have the drug problem.
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That is not true that they won't now. Secure fencing is not a wall. They are two different things.

And it has been shown that the drug problem would be better handled by far different actions than a wall. A border wall does pretty little if anything to tackle illegal drugs coming in. It doesn't even keep most illegal aliens out since most come in through legal entry.
 
Buzz62 said:
What horse ****.
What Constitutional law has he broken? I understand this was the first Executive Order from Trump?
Say...how many old Obama Executive Orders are still in effect?
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I never said anything about executive orders, which are simply orders by the president to federal agencies to direct/change policies so long as they are consistent with federal law and the Constitution. Trump declared a national emergency through an executive order and it was that specific national emergency to subvert the power of Congress which was unconstitutional. Name me an executive order/national emergency that was declared before Trump as a tactic to subvert Congress? There is a reason why there are some Republicans with the guts to rebel (Paul, Collins, Amash, etc). They know this sets a dangerous precedent. They know if Trump can do this then any president can simply declare 'national emergency' anytime they don't get the funding for whatever they want. What is the point of having a Congress if the president can just declare an emergency and overrule Congress' will every time?
 
SLC said:
I said about a million. BP caught 66,000 in February at that rate that would be 858,000 that the BP catches a year and we all know they do not catch them all.
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Still fewer than what we've had in over 12-13 years. Not an emergency. :roll:
 
roguenuke said:
There is not constitutional need or requirement to build a wall nor any evidence that a wall will make us safer in any way.
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Right. Walls don't work.

And from the same old broken record...

A tax break sucks.

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JustHanging said:
That would be a very foolish conclusion to reach, unless you can show research published in reputable journals showing that this is a cost effective method of stopping illegal immigration?

In reality Trump and his base lose by demonstrating they apparently don't understand ladders. Who is going to hire someone like this?
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The people that do the job every day of protecting the Southern border say they need secure fencing to effectively do their job.

The ladders argument is funny.:lol: Try funneling a couple hundred illegals men women and children over a 35 foot ladder at the same time before it gets noticed and stopped by the border patrol. Also the fence will include cameras and sensors and drones that will detect attempts at breaching it. I wonder how hard it is to see a bunch of illegals carrying a 35 foot ladder? There are secure facilities all over the country that have secure fencing to help deter illegal entry.
 
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Chomsky said:
Source: (Reuters) Exclusive: In budget, Trump to ask Congress for $8.6 billion for border wall

Alright boys and girls, buckle-up for round two! I find it hard to believe Trump would shut it down again, in an effort to beat Spkr Pelosi for wall funding, but far be it for me to predict rational behaviour from this current President.

And in addition to trump's border wall, other sources are claiming there's an increase in military spending of around 5 percent, with a concurrent decrease in social spending of around 5 percent.

If the above is accurate, I'm calling Trump's budget dead-in-the-water.
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OH, and BTW he's also calling for several spending cuts - for all those guys who chant "GOP doesn't care about deficits". Of course, give the Dem House spending cuts are as likely as Pelosi having Trump's love child. :roll:
 
roguenuke said:
There is not constitutional need or requirement to build a wall nor any evidence that a wall will make us safer in any way.
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Walls have slowed illegal crossings in the areas where they have been built. San Diego for one.
 
Geoist said:
I never said anything about executive orders, which are simply orders by the president to federal agencies to direct/change policies so long as they are consistent with federal law and the Constitution. Trump declared a national emergency through an executive order and it was that specific national emergency to subvert the power of Congress which was unconstitutional. Name me an executive order/national emergency that was declared before Trump as a tactic to subvert Congress? There is a reason why there are some Republicans with the guts to rebel (Paul, Collins, Amash, etc). They know this sets a dangerous precedent. They know if Trump can do this then any president can simply declare 'national emergency' anytime they don't get the funding for whatever they want. What is the point of having a Congress if the president can just declare an emergency and overrule Congress' will every time?
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How Congress and President Obama Made Trump’s Wall Possible - Lawfare
Enjoy that...
 
Bullseye said:
OH, and BTW he's also calling for several spending cuts - for all those guys who chant "GOP doesn't care about deficits". Of course, give the Dem House spending cuts are as likely as Pelosi having Trump's love child. :roll:
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The same that scream about Trump's deficit also scream about Congress holding the purse strings. Which is it?
 
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