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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cramer View Post
    You omit the part that pensions were part of the equation, that in reality, no longer exists.
    Not at all. What do you think the retirement I spoke to was? Just what you saved on your own? I can see how you took it that way because of how I worded it, but no.
    I intended for retirement (as in earned pension) to be separate from the money one saved on their own for their retirement to which social security was intended as a supplement.


    For some odd reason idiots today think an entry level position is supposed to provide them with everything.
    Those idiots need to be disabused of that notion.


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    And not all companies even offer a 401k.
    Irrelevant.
    That does not stop a person from investing their own income for their own future. Except for perhaps the lazy and those who want a nanny state.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cramer View Post
    Out of many, one, is a term conservatives conveniently forget. It is one of the principles our country was founded upon. That was our "de facto motto" from our founding....before the religious right got Eisenhower to change it. I like Ike, but prefer Jefferson, Adams, Washington, and Hamilton's (etc) views on this. It is still on our currency
    Your failure to understand the meaning, and how it doesn't apply to your individual responsibilities, has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.


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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, it's a nice platitude. But if so many people are going to embrace something so different, there must be a reason they have been made so discontented with what currently exists.
    there certainly is, STUPIDITY and indoctrination into believing that someone else is responsible for ones own personal responsibility issues

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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

    Quote Originally Posted by Cramer View Post
    You are stating an opinion.
    Math is not an opinion.

    Data:

    For 2017, the total combined income in the United States was about $17 trillion.

    If you consider incomes of more than $250K a year, "rich," they account for 24.1% of total income, which means their total income was about $4.1 trillion.

    The entire US budget for FY 2017 was $3.982 trillion.

    Which means, WITHOUT all the additional spending required by what you want, taxing everyone above $250K a year at 100% would barely cover what we spend now. That's taking every penny from everyone making over $250K. (And . . . do you really consider people making only $250K "rich"?)

    Now add in everything new you want. You can supply those numbers yourself.

    They do not have enough money to do what you want.
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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

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    Irrelevant.
    That does not stop a person from investing their own income for their own future. Except for perhaps the lazy and those who want a nanny state.
    I think this is nihilistic and dismissive. For one, we lack real education around economics in this nation. Not everyone is taught how and why a 401k for retirement is necessary. There are a multitude of reasons for this failing, but blaming it on lazy folks who want a nanny gov't is a little disingenuous.
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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

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    They do not have enough money to do what you want.
    How much did Amazon pay in taxes in 2018?

    I rest my case.
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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    I think this is nihilistic and dismissive. For one, we lack real education around economics in this nation. Not everyone is taught how and why a 401k for retirement is necessary. There are a multitude of reasons for this failing, but blaming it on lazy folks who want a nanny gov't is a little disingenuous.
    Nothing disingenuous about it at all.
    And while I am all for requiring it be taught, those two categories would still exist whether you taught it or not.
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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    How much did Amazon pay in taxes in 2018?

    I rest my case.
    Now there is a disingenuous argument.
    If amazon did not exist there would be no tax revenue being generated trough employment or revenue though taxes on investment returns.
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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

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    there certainly is, STUPIDITY and indoctrination into believing that someone else is responsible for ones own personal responsibility issues
    This is again just a platitude. On some level, we've always had to deal with some form of worry that people would vote from the public pot. But if we are doing a good job, then we can keep enough people supporting the system to keep the others at bay. There would be some fundamental reason, beyond mere platitudes, which would cause enough shift in public opinion as to aggregate enough people for this to be a plausible outcome.
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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

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    Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are '''meh''' | Fox News

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    Re: Ocasio-Cortez, at SXSW, blasts FDR, Reagan and capitalism, says political moderates are 'meh'

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    And, no one is advocating that, despite the repeated bleating of folks like you and others who consume faux news.
    They are promoting socialized medicine which has proven to be a failure.

    The "go work for someone else" argument ignores the counter productive nature of competition when it comes to reducing employer cost by cutting benefits, which you completely ignored (as usual, I will note.)
    No it doens't it is the number 1 way for an employer to improve working conditions. when no one will work for him he will be forced to make a change or else he will have no employees.

    It also ignores that alot of americans work in areas where employment options are limited. Coupled with vastly bloated housing prices country wide, and you have a real issue of fluid mobility on your hands. I'd like this and the point above addressed.
    Keep making up excuses. that is what these are excuses. if you are living in small town USA then you have agreed to the struggles of small town USA.

    So, pay is dependent on position, not employee skill, is that correct? Thank you for being honest; the truth finally comes out. You don't get a raise, despite being awesome, because I've only earmarked X dollars for X position, and you can leave if you don't like it!
    It doesn't take much skill to remove a basket from a fryer. which is the whole point. I never said anything about not getting a raise, but your raise isn't going to come by taking fries out of a fryer.
    your raise comes from moving from the fry line to the burger line from the burger line to the front counter from the front counter to a shift lead from a shift lead to a super. etc ...

    Sort of diminishes the argument you guys make about the labor market and demanding pay for your own skill, right? Or, should this employee simply leave for another job which may or may not exist in their home town? How many large employers do you think exist in the average american town?
    I live in average town america. I found a good job with a global corporation.

    Again, you're tying salary to a position, which diminishes the value a laborer can demand for their skill set. This is the opposite of a free market. Can you elaborate?
    Not at all. why? because the guy with the skill moves up and moves up fast. he doesn't stay in the same place forever.

    I'm not advocating for obscene wages. I'm not even entirely decided on what I think of minimum wage, for what it's worth. The primary issue in my mind when it comes to minimum wage is the disparity between income and how much housing costs in this country. Real estate is overvalued.
    that is a completely different factor. what people value real estate has always been over blown.
    more so in places like CA or NY. I don't live in those places and housing is quite affordable.
    the market is almost where i could possibly sell my home at a profit with a nice down payment on a new home.

    Non-sequitir.
    IE you have no argument.

    Non-sequitir.
    see above you have no argument.


    Says the guy who doesn't know what democrats are actually advocating for.

    Yes, your credibility is solid!
    More so than yours.

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