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Dem frosh turn tables on anti-Semitism rebuke, shift spotlight to Islamophobia and AIPAC power

Conservative said:
Dem frosh turn tables on anti-Semitism rebuke, shift spotlight to Islamophobia and AIPAC power | Fox News

You radicals better wake up and see what is happening to our country. This is the new face of today's Democratic Party and should scare the hell out of everyone. the goal of the Islamic Caliphate is still being promoted and now in this country.
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I think what's scary is the Left is okay with this hatred. I have been a firm believer for a while now that the Left and these fundamentalist Muslims are practically the same. In another thread I listed off a few things, but I'll name off a few to make the point. Both groups:

-establish laws that benefit them

-control women

-will attack their own if they sway away from the agenda

-are violent (for intimidation, retaliation over criticism, and for the thrill of killing babies)

-lie to and steal from others

-hate non-believers

-create chaos and destruction

That's just a few, but I think you get the point. What's interesting is they say it's us non-Leftists (the Middle and the Right) and non-Muslims (Christians, Jews, etc.) that are the problem. When it was:

-the Left that made places like Detroit, New York state, and the state of California hell-holes

-the Left that made laws to kill babies

-the Muslim fundamentalists that attacked New York City and the Pentagon on 09/11/01

-a Muslim fundamentalist that attacked a homosexual nightclub

Both groups protect each other because they have a common goal: bring everyone else down while raising their statuses above everyone else. They both love slavery and they both worship government, but at this point, it's only mutual because they're taking out their enemies. If we're gone, those 2 groups will rip each other apart for who's is in ultimate control over everything. That's why these people have to be defeated at the ballot box, so they don't gain anymore ground. Both the Christian/Jew killing fundamentalist Muslims and the baby killing Leftists.
 
Conservative said:
Why would I believe Obama was a good President when the data says the opposite. Again you miss the point, lobbyists are doing their job and the problem is those influenced by those lobbyists. Again you show people are never responsible for their actions in your fantasy world
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Where did I say that? Of course Representatives are responsible for the votes they sell. It still don't mean that Lobbyists aren't buying votes, lol. And that was part of the critique in all of this, yes? People having dual alliances due to the influence that is bought by lobbyists.

In your fantasy world, criticizing Representatives for selling out and Lobbyists for buying is somehow the same as antisemitism.
 
Herkamer63 said:
I think what's scary is the Left is okay with this hatred. I have been a firm believer for a while now that the Left and these fundamentalist Muslims are practically the same. In another thread I listed off a few things, but I'll name off a few to make the point. Both groups:

-establish laws that benefit them

-control women

-will attack their own if they sway away from the agenda

-are violent (for intimidation, retaliation over criticism, and for the thrill of killing babies)

-lie to and steal from others

-hate non-believers

-create chaos and destruction

That's just a few, but I think you get the point. What's interesting is they say it's us non-Leftists (the Middle and the Right) and non-Muslims (Christians, Jews, etc.) that are the problem. When it was:

-the Left that made places like Detroit, New York state, and the state of California hell-holes

-the Left that made laws to kill babies

-the Muslim fundamentalists that attacked New York City and the Pentagon on 09/11/01

-a Muslim fundamentalist that attacked a homosexual nightclub

Both groups protect each other because they have a common goal: bring everyone else down while raising their statuses above everyone else. They both love slavery and they both worship government, but at this point, it's only mutual because they're taking out their enemies. If we're gone, those 2 groups will rip each other apart for who's is in ultimate control over everything. That's why these people have to be defeated at the ballot box, so they don't gain anymore ground. Both the Christian/Jew killing fundamentalist Muslims and the baby killing Leftists.
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Well, as I sit here in sunny San Diego I can see exactly no fire, smell no brimstone.

And when y'all demonstrate you actually care about kids AFTER they are born you can talk about baby killing, mmmkay?
 
Conservative said:
Yep, you see what you want to see and focus only on this issue not all her comments and her entire attitude. Typical leftwing attitude. You people never learn and I am not going to waste any more time here discussing this issue with people who aren't worth the effort and that includes you
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So long!

By the way, the person who wrote the article is an American Jew who says

To be clear, I do this as someone who was raised in an intensely Zionist family with a long history of devotion and sacrifice for Israel, but who also — like many American Jews — has become increasingly dismayed not only by developments in Israel but by how we talk about it here in the United States.

What I see is that Omar creates an opportunity to have a real discussion about the US policies regarding Israel in which we can separate real antisemitic comments from legitimate criticism. But in contrast, I see an attempt to dismiss EVERYTHING she says as "antisemitism" even when this is not the case. In essence, her critics support a position which says that it is okay to criticize Israel, as long as you do not criticize the US support to Israel!

And something else, according to the article (which corroborates my view based on what have read), the biggest supporters of Israel are the Evangelicals and not the American Jews! This is because the former see it as some form of spiritual obligation to support Israel because of their literal interpretation of the Bible. So, even if one wants to talk about the dual allegiance of certain Americans, this should be a Christian Evangelical problem which combines a civic and a religious responsibility to support the US and Israel. It is not an issue that affects American Jews.

From the Israeli Haaretz

Why young Jews and Democrats are waving goodbye to AIPAC - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz.com

Just look at the polling of the future American Jewish community: Support for Israel among Jewish college students in the United States dropped an astounding 32 percent between 2010 and 2016.
 
Ikari said:
Russia

lol
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:lol:

I love today's rhetoric on DP: We care super much that the Jews not be spoken ill of...so much that when a motion is passed to not speak ill of any demographic, including the Jews, we will completely ignore that we got what we wanted, because...Dems. :roll:
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Really? Here are two quotes:

"And three out of five citizens believe the country has turned into a dysfunctional society because of multiculturalism."

"Cultural suicide by demographic transformation must end."

Can you pick which one was said by King and which was said by Anders Behring Breivik without googling?
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Do you want to play this game?

Liberals in the US and Canada believe Fidel Castro was a liberator and man of the people. Because of the influence of leftism Breivik will be released in the next decade instead of being executed, so what point are you making?
 
Ikari said:
Where did I say that? Of course Representatives are responsible for the votes they sell. It still don't mean that Lobbyists aren't buying votes, lol. And that was part of the critique in all of this, yes? People having dual alliances due to the influence that is bought by lobbyists.

In your fantasy world, criticizing Representatives for selling out and Lobbyists for buying is somehow the same as antisemitism.
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Lobbyists are doing their job, you aren't if you are supporting candidates bought by lobbyists
 
Tanngrisnir said:
A. Steve King is white supremacist. You have no idea what you're babbling about.
B. Yes, they have. They tolerated his bull**** for yeeeeeeears.
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No he’s not. And he was stripped of committee assignments for remarks he never made being promulgated by the fake news.

The media took a comment showing the insanity of leftists comparing love of western culture with white supremacy, they comma’d the remark to make it look like he was saying there was nothing wrong with white supremacy
 
pamak said:
So long!

By the way, the person who wrote the article is an American Jew who says

To be clear, I do this as someone who was raised in an intensely Zionist family with a long history of devotion and sacrifice for Israel, but who also — like many American Jews — has become increasingly dismayed not only by developments in Israel but by how we talk about it here in the United States.

What I see is that Omar creates an opportunity to have a real discussion about the US policies regarding Israel in which we can separate real antisemitic comments from legitimate criticism. But in contrast, I see an attempt to dismiss EVERYTHING she says as "antisemitism" even when this is not the case. In essence, her critics support a position which says that it is okay to criticize Israel, as long as you do not criticize the US support to Israel!

And something else, according to the article (which corroborates my view based on what have read), the biggest supporters of Israel are the Evangelicals and not the American Jews! This is because the former see it as some form of spiritual obligation to support Israel because of their literal interpretation of the Bible. So, even if one wants to talk about the dual allegiance of certain Americans, this should be a Christian Evangelical problem which combines a civic and a religious responsibility to support the US and Israel. It is not an issue that affects American Jews.

From the Israeli Haaretz

Why young Jews and Democrats are waving goodbye to AIPAC - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz.com

Just look at the polling of the future American Jewish community: Support for Israel among Jewish college students in the United States dropped an astounding 32 percent between 2010 and 2016.
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You are right, all of her comments were made up by an American Jew!! The anti American attitude is alive and well living in that fantasy world in which you live
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Do you want to play this game?

Liberals in the US and Canada believe Fidel Castro was a liberator and man of the people. Because of the influence of leftism Breivik will be released in the next decade instead of being executed, so what point are you making?
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You can't even stay on topic. Typical.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No he’s not. And he was stripped of committee assignments for remarks he never made being promulgated by the fake news.

The media took a comment showing the insanity of leftists comparing love of western culture with white supremacy, they comma’d the remark to make it look like he was saying there was nothing wrong with white supremacy
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Yes, he is. That is undeniable, objective fact, and the GOP let his outrageous statements go unanswered for yeeeears.

You have no idea what you're babbling about, and apparently don't care to.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Do you want to play this game?

Liberals in the US and Canada believe Fidel Castro was a liberator and man of the people. Because of the influence of leftism Breivik will be released in the next decade instead of being executed, so what point are you making?
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LOLOL!~ Breivik is a hardened far-right white nationalist and a hero to conservatives.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
LOLOL!~ Breivik is a hardened far-right white nationalist and a hero to conservatives.
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And if he did what he did in Texas he’d be getting a lethal injection. Instead he gets a hotel quality suite and release in less then 20 years.

This is your country on liberalism
 
It's notable that a similar scenario is being played out in the UK as in the US Labour (And Corbyn) is under fire from accusations of antisemitism and of their attempts to deal with it, by conservatives and the media, while open rampant Islamophobla within the Conservative party is widely ignored.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And if he did what he did in Texas he’d be getting a lethal injection. Instead he gets a hotel quality suite and release in less then 20 years.

This is your country on liberalism
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You can't even stay on topic. King is a racist, it's blatantly obvious. I'm sorry that fact offends you. Thoughts and prayers.
 
Conservative said:
Dem frosh turn tables on anti-Semitism rebuke, shift spotlight to Islamophobia and AIPAC power | Fox News

You radicals better wake up and see what is happening to our country. This is the new face of today's Democratic Party and should scare the hell out of everyone. the goal of the Islamic Caliphate is still being promoted and now in this country.
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There is not enough logic in the world to placate the conservative pants-crapping panic levels in this country. As they say, we won't be defeated from without but from within. And if so, it will come from idiot right-wing fear, right-wing panic, and right-wing terrorism.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And if he did what he did in Texas he’d be getting a lethal injection. Instead he gets a hotel quality suite and release in less then 20 years.

This is your country on liberalism
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Irrelevant. He's still put on a pedestal and venerated by conservatives.
 
Conservative said:
Again, why aren't you holding the politicians responsible for being influenced by lobbyists? Do you always blame someone else for your poor choices and actions? Radical Islam wants you dead but guess that isn't the boogie man. Cannot believe how foolish some of you are and you vote??
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Makes them hardly any different than our conservatives.
 
pamak said:
So long!

By the way, the person who wrote the article is an American Jew who says

To be clear, I do this as someone who was raised in an intensely Zionist family with a long history of devotion and sacrifice for Israel, but who also — like many American Jews — has become increasingly dismayed not only by developments in Israel but by how we talk about it here in the United States.

What I see is that Omar creates an opportunity to have a real discussion about the US policies regarding Israel in which we can separate real antisemitic comments from legitimate criticism. But in contrast, I see an attempt to dismiss EVERYTHING she says as "antisemitism" even when this is not the case. In essence, her critics support a position which says that it is okay to criticize Israel, as long as you do not criticize the US support to Israel!

And something else, according to the article (which corroborates my view based on what have read), the biggest supporters of Israel are the Evangelicals and not the American Jews! This is because the former see it as some form of spiritual obligation to support Israel because of their literal interpretation of the Bible. So, even if one wants to talk about the dual allegiance of certain Americans, this should be a Christian Evangelical problem which combines a civic and a religious responsibility to support the US and Israel. It is not an issue that affects American Jews.

From the Israeli Haaretz

Why young Jews and Democrats are waving goodbye to AIPAC - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz.com

Just look at the polling of the future American Jewish community: Support for Israel among Jewish college students in the United States dropped an astounding 32 percent between 2010 and 2016.
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Support for Israel is now defined exclusively as support for Bibi Netanyahu...who by the way is about to be booted for high crimes himself.
My take on this is that Bibi and AIPAC have neither the right NOR invitation to demand political loyalty to a right wing platform by threatening to define lack of said support as tantamount to antisemitism. When AIPAC decides to include a wider variety of political values and beliefs, I'll rethink my support.
Ilhan Omar is an unlikely person to look to as the face of a resistance however she is the result, the product, of AIPAC's knee jerk reactionary stance on issues.
She is what you get when support for Israel is narrowed down to exclusive support of Bibi/Likud values only, and criminalization of all else.
 
Conservative said:
Lobbyists are doing their job, you aren't if you are supporting candidates bought by lobbyists
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Of course I haven't voted for a paid for politician in some time. But just because they are "doing their job" doesn't mean their job isn't inherently buying influence, and that they are quite successful at.

So again, nothing that is anti-Semitic. You've lost your point.
 
Conservative said:
Lobbyists are doing their job, you aren't if you are supporting candidates bought by lobbyists
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I thought voting 3rd party was wasting your vote. That's what you said in the past. Are you really naive enough to think that no Republicans got support from lobbyists? :lamo
 
The problem was focusing on AIPAC, not money/lobbying in politics in general.

The problem was suggesting Jews/Israel supporters were traitors to their country, or if you prefer the euphamism, owing their allegiance to a foreign power.

The problem was having made her statements after a history of them.

There are other problems.




The situation over there is a mess and I don't think I'm allowed to get into it in detail here. But one thing I think I can say: **** the position amongst some on the left that it is in any way comparable to "apartheid", yet it is increasingly popular on the left to distort description of the situation into a just about completely one-sided situation where the Israelis (the Jews) are bad and the Palestinians are innocent victims. The reality is, again, that it's a gigantic ****ing mess with different blames on different sides.
 
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