An unvaccinated boy got Oregon’s first tetanus case in 30 years — treating him cost over $800,000

Sgt Meowenstein said:

So.....2+2=5?....Joko?

Yargle bargle! Vaccinations = govt worship and bad parenting!

Antivaxxers are a joke. You’re like one step below flat earthers. Your moniker is quite fitting.

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Anti-vaxxers are stupid nitwits who have to yell and scream about "you don't know what's in" blah blah blah. But they count on enough people being smart enough to vaccinate because if we were at a 0% vaccination rate, there would be a lot more to worry about than just some shots. The diseases that have all but been ended through proper vaccinations killed a lot and injured even more back in the day. Anti-vaxxers are just morons who can't understand what has been accomplished through proper medical science and how much safer our world is because of vaccinations.

But in the end, you cannot argue with the stupid and ignorant. I don't engage anti-vaxxers anymore than I would a flat earth idiot. They are just a dumb ****ing box of rocks that are better ignored.

joko104 said:

Most Americans, spoiled rotten by the vast wealth of the USA starting post WW2 due to the USA winning WW2 and all other major economic powers crushed, believe they and their children are automatically ENTITLED to everything they want and need for free. They rant and sob about fairness and all they claim they are entitled to - being lazy ass rotten parents and teaching their children to be bums and failures.

Curiously, that fact works extremely well for us and our family. In fact, life is not fair. In fact, people, corporations, government, all will harm you if it benefits them or is easiest. Rotten parenting by others greatly benefits our children in very real ways. In the competition of life in this society, our children cut their way to the top like a hot knife thru warm butter.

For the birth of one of our children my wife (and I) had to take on the AMA national standards at one of the largest birthing hospitals in the USA, including being the #1 training hospital. She won - and in doing so changed the practice for the future. Turns out it wasn't necessary to cut her open after all, though AMA policy REQUIRED it. Fortunately, the chief of the department had been in the medical profession for nearly half a century and could hear what she and I were saying. No, it was not "impossible" since on an emergency spontaneous birth without notice we had done it ourselves alone due to the ambulance going to the wrong address.

When it comes to my children, I study like crazy any significant topic. Certainly that included all potentialities of pregnancy and definitely for any drugs they want to put into any of our children.

Only rotten parents, true don't-give-a-damn lazy ass parents, would allow their child injected with anything without first asking why and what is it - researching it first. Risks versus benefits. Facts. Only idiots blindly cheer ALL vaccinations no matter when or how given - just like only idiots blindly condemn all vaccinations.

But then, maybe I'm just a nutcase for refusing to see my children as one of 7 billion cattle under the control of government overseers to be sacrificed based upon some theory of the common good. Sacrifice your children for the common good, not mine.

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I find your long series of anti-vaccination posts depressing and sad. Fortunately there are very few in Sweden who share your particular conspiracy theory.

Sweden said:

I find your long series of anti-vaccination posts depressing and sad. Fortunately there are very few in Sweden who share your particular conspiracy theory.

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Some of joko's views make people who normally disagree join up. Joko thinks that's TDS. You by Joko's account are experiencing TDS.

Luckily, you live in Sweden and if your feelings are hurt by Joko's words you can get them checked practically for free.








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TU Curmudgeon said:

Average total tax burden in Canada is around 42.2% (and that includes the taxes that pay for the medical insurance programs) - call it the "Tax+Medical burden".

Using the 2016 figures, the total average tax burden in the US is around 26.6% (and that does NOT include the average amount paid for medical insurance).

However, since the average per capita expenditure for medical care in the US is around $9,000 and the average household income in the US is around $50,000, that $9,000 represents around 18% that should be added to the 26.6% to give a total average "Tax+Medical burden" of around 44.6%.
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Although rough, those numbers show that the percentage "Tax+Medical burden" in Canada is roughly equivalent to the "Tax+Medical burden" in the US.

PS - I didn't say that THE COST would have been $0.00, I said that THE BILL would have been $0.00.

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So no real savings between the two systems (roughly).

My point is that to say the hospital bill was $0 is misleading. Heck, I had an emergency room visit in last year and the bill was $0 for me. My insurance picked up the tab. In reality it was not $0 , because of what I pay the insurance company every month. That is regardless if I see a doctor or not.

Bottom line, nothing is free. A person can pay the govt in taxes or pay a private insurance company.

JustHanging said:

To accurately "explore" the benefits and risks for yourself would likely require at least a Masters in some branch of Biological Sciences.

What's your educational background?

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Since you claim expertise, what's your's? Your message is nonsense anyway. Have you held political office? Have a PhD in political science? If not, why are you posting on a political forum? In fact one of my adult children has been internationally published for protocol studies on biology in relation to human diseases, bacteria and viruses. Attentiveness to our children - education, development of social skills, what is and isn't put into their bodies and much more extremely pays off for them. Many parents are low quality babysitters at best. We are on the far opposite end of that spectrum - and from you.

mike2810 said:

So no real savings between the two systems (roughly).

My point is that to say the hospital bill was $0 is misleading. Heck, I had an emergency room visit in last year and the bill was $0 for me. My insurance picked up the tab. In reality it was not $0 , because of what I pay the insurance company every month. That is regardless if I see a doctor or not.

Bottom line, nothing is free. A person can pay the govt in taxes or pay a private insurance company.

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Or the 3rd option - to pay for the medical care directly to the provider - as we do. We are neither dependent upon any insurance company nor the government for health care decisions. But most people don't have that option.

Sweden said:

I find your long series of anti-vaccination posts depressing and sad. Fortunately there are very few in Sweden who share your particular conspiracy theory.

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Most people are sheep, chumps, easily conned because that is the lazy brain thing to do. I do not care what anyone in Sweden thinks about anything. I do understand you are powerless over your own healthcare - just one of the human herd the government manages and controls. Sad.

Originally children received 5 vaccinations - none at the same time.

Now children are given 72 vaccinations - dozens at a time. Even the CDC - the most pro-vaccination of all other than drug companies - concedes the risks to children of multiple vaccinations at the same time. But, then, all of you are claiming the CDC and FDA also are flat-earth anti-vax idiots. Total slaves to the trillion dollar drug industry.

While ranting every parent MUST agree to this, not ONE of you can even name the vaccinations you or your children have received or what they were for, can you? No, because you don't care enough about your child to bother with. You let others be your children's parents for your ease and their financial profit.

The number #1 wrongful killer by at least 500% is the medical profession - and most those 250,000+ deaths PER YEAR are from wrongful administration of drugs. But hey, if your child in harmed or dies as a result you can claim it's not your fault. Rather, it was the fault of who you abandoned your parental decisions to.

I bet none of you ranting ever told medical personnel: "Whoa, wait a minute. What is that drug, what are you wanting to put into that IV, what is in that pill?" Nor ever read the warnings that come with prescription drugs nor ever go online to research the risks of a prescription. The drug industry is dependent upon lazyass idiots who will put anything into their body anyone tells them to - and understand virtually no one listens to the warnings they give on their own drugs.

mike2810 said:

So no real savings between the two systems (roughly).

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On a strictly cash basis, true. Of course, I will sell you a Yugo for the same price as you'd pay for a BMW and you can tell everyone that you got a real bargain.

The "difference" is that, under the Canadian system:

1. there are NO "preexisting condition" exclusion;
2. there are NO "per incident" caps;
3. there are NO "per condition" caps;
4. there are NO "annual" caps;
5. there are NO "lifetime" caps;
6. there are NO "co-pays";
7. there are NO "deductibles"; and
8. 100% of the population is covered as opposed to 88%.

In short, you get the BMW for the price of a Ford.

mike2810 said:

My point is that to say the hospital bill was $0 is misleading. Heck, I had an emergency room visit in last year and the bill was $0 for me. My insurance picked up the tab.

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Congratulations for having reasonably good coverage.

Now, how much per month do you (or your employer if you are covered through work) pay per month for that coverage?

mike2810 said:

In reality it was not $0 , because of what I pay the insurance company every month.

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Nope, the BILL was still $0.00.

On the other hand, if you hadn't had the need for your insurance for X months, then "the bill" was X times the number of monthly premiums you paid since the last time you claimed on your policy.

mike2810 said:

That is regardless if I see a doctor or not.

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Exactly, you are paying for a service that you don't use.

mike2810 said:

Bottom line, nothing is free.

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I didn't say that the hospital stay was "free", only that the patient didn't get a bill (that they had to sell their house and everything that they owned in order to pay a portion of) for it.

mike2810 said:

A person can pay the govt in taxes or pay a private insurance company.

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Quite right.

Now, if the cost is (inventing a number) $10,000 and the insurance company sets their rates so that they make a 10% profit out of the premiums they collect (i.e. expense plus profit equals $11,000), and the government plan sets their rates so that they make a 0% profit out of the premiums it collects (i.e. expense plus profit equals $10,000), which is going to be cheaper for the person paying for the insurance?

joko104 said:

Originally children received 5 vaccinations - none at the same time.

Now children are given 72 vaccinations - dozens at a time. Even the CDC - the most pro-vaccination of all other than drug companies - concedes the risks to children of multiple vaccinations at the same time. But, then, all of you are claiming the CDC and FDA also are flat-earth anti-vax idiots. Total slaves to the trillion dollar drug industry.

While ranting every parent MUST agree to this, not ONE of you can even name the vaccinations you or your children have received or what they were for, can you? No, because you don't care enough about your child to bother with. You let others be your children's parents for your ease and their financial profit.

The number #1 wrongful killer by at least 500% is the medical profession - and most those 250,000+ deaths PER YEAR are from wrongful administration of drugs. But hey, if your child in harmed or dies as a result you can claim it's not your fault. Rather, it was the fault of who you abandoned your parental decisions to.

I bet none of you ranting ever told medical personnel: "Whoa, wait a minute. What is that drug, what are you wanting to put into that IV, what is in that pill?" Nor ever read the warnings that come with prescription drugs nor ever go online to research the risks of a prescription. The drug industry is dependent upon lazyass idiots who will put anything into their body anyone tells them to - and understand virtually no one listens to the warnings they give on their own drugs.

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Really?

Do Kids Really Get 72 Doses of Vaccines?

PS - I do so enjoy how you manage to completely ignore the basic mathematics showing the relative safety levels of "vaccination" vs "catching the diseases".

joko104 said:

Explain WHY vaccinations are the ONLY drugs that drug companies are protected from liability by federal law?
Explain WHY the government has paid out BILLIONS in damages for vaccinations?
Provide ANY legitimate study showing it is safe to give multiple vaccinations at the same time.
Explain why childhood medical conditions such as autism are reaching epidemic levels?
Provide any study that vaccinations do not adversely interact with other prescription drugs.

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Interesting questions.

Can anyone provide answers for these? I'm very curious about the responses that'll make these, especially the highlighted items, clear.

From the little I've researched, I find it to be a benefit analysis rather than a sure thing that many pro-vaxxer are claiming it to be. I mean, why even have a vaccine court if vaccines are guaranteed safe like many claim?

ecofarm said:

At least he didn't get autism.






Just a joke. I'm not a vaxxer.

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Not really funny to me.

Carleen said:

Not really funny to me.

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Well, it's a joke about vaccines and autism and vaxers. Not a lot of room in there for offense-less humor. I think you're being overly critical or maybe your expectations were too high.

ecofarm said:

Well, it's a joke about vaccines and autism and vaxers. Not a lot of room in there for offense-less humor. I think you're being overly critical or maybe your expectations were too high.

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I find those who choose not to vaccinate their children a bad idea and when a child becomes ill because of it I feel it is totally unnecessary and feel for that child and the stupidly of their parents or parent.

Carleen said:

I find those who choose not to vaccinate their children a bad idea and when a child becomes ill because of it I feel it is totally unnecessary and feel for that child and the stupidly of their parents or parent.

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It's a horrible situation and I shouldn't make fun of it. But I did. Some people found it funny; they're probably assholes like me.

ecofarm said:

It's a horrible situation and I shouldn't make fun of it. But I did. Some people found it funny; they're probably assholes like me.

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Sometimes a joke is not warranted because of those at the brunt of it. But, we all make mistakes, me included and admitting it makes you genuine.

TU Curmudgeon said:

From Global News

An unvaccinated boy got Oregon’s first tetanus case in 30 years — treating him cost over $800,000
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On the first day, a six-year-old boy from Oregon cut his forehead.

On the seventh day, he started crying, his jaw clenched up and he started having muscle spasms.

This unvaccinated boy became the state’s first tetanus case in approximately 30 years, according to a report released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday.

The infection put him in acute care for 57 days and rehabilitation for another 17 days — and cost over US$800,000.

The case emerges as Canadian cities grapple with outbreaks of measles that could be prevented through vaccination.

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Let's put that $800,000 in perspective, it's only about 100% of the total average American household income for 17 years.

Hopefully the family had some REALLY good healthcare insurance.

PS - Under BC's Medical Service Plan, the total bill to the family would have been $0.00. But, of course, that's a system of "socialized medicine" so it doesn't count.

PPS - The family refused the recommended booster vaccination.
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The tetanus shot is only 60 dollars, the fact their insurance didn't cover it is meaningless. it's a 6 dollar per effective year shot. if you won't spend 6 dollars a year to keep your kid safe from lockjaw you're a neglectful parent.

TU Curmudgeon said:

From Global News

An unvaccinated boy got Oregon’s first tetanus case in 30 years — treating him cost over $800,000
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On the first day, a six-year-old boy from Oregon cut his forehead.

On the seventh day, he started crying, his jaw clenched up and he started having muscle spasms.

This unvaccinated boy became the state’s first tetanus case in approximately 30 years, according to a report released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday.

The infection put him in acute care for 57 days and rehabilitation for another 17 days — and cost over US$800,000.

The case emerges as Canadian cities grapple with outbreaks of measles that could be prevented through vaccination.

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Let's put that $800,000 in perspective, it's only about 100% of the total average American household income for 17 years.

Hopefully the family had some REALLY good healthcare insurance.

PS - Under BC's Medical Service Plan, the total bill to the family would have been $0.00. But, of course, that's a system of "socialized medicine" so it doesn't count.

PPS - The family refused the recommended booster vaccination.
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In BC, the kid would have died waiting for treatment...

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TU Curmudgeon said:

Really?

Do Kids Really Get 72 Doses of Vaccines?

PS - I do so enjoy how you manage to completely ignore the basic mathematics showing the relative safety levels of "vaccination" vs "catching the diseases".

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Good trick to claim if you put numerous vaccinations into 1 shot, then you only count it as one. Isn't that great! You can take as much drugs as you want of any kind - as long as it is all in it 1 shot or 1 big pill. No amount of opiods, heroin, fentanyl because in YOUR math, you it only matters how many times you are injected, not how much is in the injection. :roll:

I bet you agree with the government that agent orange can not possibly harm anyone and radioactive fallout never hurt any troops we had march into nuclear test blast sites. Anything anyone with government says is true - and only conspiracy nutcases claim otherwise. You know, like all the flat-earth idiotic conspiracy low intelligence people ranting their stupid conspiracy theories about Trump colluding with Russians.

Since the drug industry paid the politicians to vote that the government will cover all liabilities for any injuries from vaccinations, drug companies no longer have any reason to even care if they or how they are administers is safe. All that matters to them is how many people can they convince to use the or get the government to force people to get them.

Those who claim vaccinations always have and all are safe for anyone and everyone no matter how administered are radical science deniers claiming the CDC, FDA and all medical researchers are liars. The history of vaccinations to this day are "oops, sorry, we were wrong" for hundreds of millions of vaccinations - and billions worldwide. Drug companies get away with it each time - with massive numbers of people harmed - because of idiots who believe ANYTHING ANY drug company says and is selling.

It you people who worship drugs and drug companies as gods why drug companies can sell health destroying drugs perpetually, calculating the massive billions in profits is greater than the hundreds of millions they inevitably will pay in damages - except vaccinations for which we-the-people via the government pay the billions for vaccination harms.

There is no debating people who worship drugs and drug companies. Do any of you know that the EU bans American vaccinations because they contain mercury? No, of course not, because if a drug company says injecting people including children with mercury is just fine. Drug addicts, ie drug lovers, are inherently irrational people.

Because the drug companies bribed Congress to vote to eliminate any liabilities for vaccinations and instead the government/taxpayers will pay the BILLIONS in damages (so far), the US government never will nor ever could acknowledge ANY vaccinations or ANY way they are administered is harmful - no more than the government would ever dare admit that Agent Orange was killing Vietnam vets.

In fact, exactly EVERYONE in the medical community involved with vaccinations now admits the claim that all vaccinations for everyone isn't harmful is 100% wrong and, quietly, has imposed unenforced rules concerning vaccinations including for age, health, other drugs the person may be on and a long list of other reasons. But NO DRUG LOVER will ever acknowledge what even the CDC and makers of vaccinations now openly recognize. Unfortunately, because of you drug-lovers it is years before suspected issues are studied and finally acknowledged - after hundreds of millions of wrongful vaccinations were injected.

That profit motive is the #1 reason why "medical mistakes" are overwhelmingly THE #1 killer in the USA.

EMNofSeattle said:

The tetanus shot is only 60 dollars, the fact their insurance didn't cover it is meaningless. it's a 6 dollar per effective year shot. if you won't spend 6 dollars a year to keep your kid safe from lockjaw you're a neglectful parent.

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One child who got cut and the parent didn't take the child to the doctor - an anti-vaccination CRISIS!!!! :roll:

Here are facts - recognizing that drug-lovers HATE facts:

1. The vaccinations given in the USA to everyone including infants are NOT the same vaccinations given in the rest of the world - because the rest of the world bans mercury compounds from all or nearly all vaccinations.

2. No children on earth are given as many vaccinations as American children are.

3. No other country gives massive multi-vaccinations to children like the USA it was decided it is just too inconvenient to not infect children with numerous different diseases at the same time - all those also containing a mercury compound.

4. The rate of autism in the USA is approximately 1000% higher than every other country on earth - nearly 2 out of every 100 children in the USA - and 2 out of 1,000 in the rest of the world.

Noting the government could NEVER admit any vaccination harm because the government is on the hook for any damages, the reason given is "genetics," that autism is inherited. Thus, the absurd claim is that Americans are radically different genetically from everyone else in the world - BUT this genetic different didn't exist until the last few decades.

Yeah, that's believable. We Americans now are genetically different, virtually a different species now.That explains the radically higher rate of autism in children. And spraying Agent Orange on our troops in Vietnam never hurt them either - you can believe the government about that too. The only reason we stopped spraying our troops with Agent Orange is because orange is now an unpopular color. And the drug-lovers buy that hook, line and sinker like the good submissive cattle they are.

Why doesn't the USA follow the standards of the rest of the world for vaccination manufacturing and administration? Because it costs a little more. Why would drug companies spend an extra penny per vaccination? That would cost them millions of dollars. They bought off the US Congress so they have no liabilities whatsoever so have no reason to care if their vaccinations are safe or not. You could prove a drug company that made vaccinations knew their vaccinations harmed or killed people - and it wouldn't cost them $1. We the taxpayers would have to pay all damages and judgments.

Why are medical mistakes are the #1 killer in the USA by 500% over anything else? Why not? Why should they care? Any damages aren't coming out of their pockets. All that matters in treating human cattle is what is fastest, easiest and most convenient for which patients are all but irrelevant other than as dollar signs.

joko104 said:

or the 3rd option - to pay for the medical care directly to the provider - as we do. We are neither dependent upon any insurance company nor the government for health care decisions. But most people don't have that option.

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w.t.f.?

joko104 said:

Here are facts - recognizing that drug-lovers HATE facts:

1. The vaccinations given in the USA to everyone including infants are NOT the same vaccinations given in the rest of the world - because the rest of the world bans mercury compounds from all or nearly all vaccinations.

2. No children on earth are given as many vaccinations as American children are.

3. No other country gives massive multi-vaccinations to children like the USA it was decided it is just too inconvenient to not infect children with numerous different diseases at the same time - all those also containing a mercury compound.

4. The rate of autism in the USA is approximately 1000% higher than every other country on earth - nearly 2 out of every 100 children in the USA - and 2 out of 1,000 in the rest of the world.

Noting the government could NEVER admit any vaccination harm because the government is on the hook for any damages, the reason given is "genetics," that autism is inherited. Thus, the absurd claim is that Americans are radically different genetically from everyone else in the world - BUT this genetic different didn't exist until the last few decades.

Yeah, that's believable. We Americans now are genetically different, virtually a different species now.That explains the radically higher rate of autism in children. And spraying Agent Orange on our troops in Vietnam never hurt them either - you can believe the government about that too. The only reason we stopped spraying our troops with Agent Orange is because orange is now an unpopular color. And the drug-lovers buy that hook, line and sinker like the good submissive cattle they are.

Why doesn't the USA follow the standards of the rest of the world for vaccination manufacturing and administration? Because it costs a little more. Why would drug companies spend an extra penny per vaccination? That would cost them millions of dollars and the bought off the US Congress so they have no liabilities whatsoever. You could prove a drug company that made vaccinations knew their vaccinations harmed or killed people - and it wouldn't cost them $1. We the taxpayers would have to pay all damages and judgments.

Why are medical mistakes are the #1 killer in the USA by 500% over anything else? Why not? Why should they care? Any damages aren't coming out of their pockets.

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If you present 'facts' you should be providing a reputable source for those facts. Or are you not comfortable providing your sources?