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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    It's unfortunate, but it's woven into the fabric of our 'true history'. The statues that have been erected to pay homage to Confederate Generals are in fact giving honor and dignity to men that were essentially traitors to the United States. Because of their intense bigotry and hatred towards those who wanted to eradicate slavery, they chose to defy the President of the United States, go rogue, and murder their own countrymen.

    No person should be subjected to encountering more proofs of our ugly history of racial bias and division. We're seeing those same divisive individuals today supporting a president that opposes everything that this country was founded on. The only difference is that these current day 'rebels' wear red baseball caps instead of gray uniforms. The new angry rebels carry assault rifles instead of sabres and muskets. They dare to jeopardize everything - the reason why we lost millions of men and women who died fighting wars against oppressors. They dare to jeopardize the very foundations of a democracy and what our Founding Fathers declared the U.S. to be rid of forever - which is a country free of tyrants, kings and dictators.
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    Anyone who did read the post would gain further to read it over a second time.

    Amen actually.


    While the Confederate generals were traitors the Union generals strode forward to defend the Constitution, protect it; preserve it. Well done to 'em all and to Potus/CinC Lincoln. Post civil war there are but very few generals who would go over to the other side. Flynn is it so far in the present tyrany and Flynn's already been busted by the mass of loyal generals and national security professionals.
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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongidig View Post
    Soon our history books won't start before the year 2000!
    Don't worry about it. History is always just a narrative and the 'heroes of the Confederacy' version is no more valid than the 'treasonous armed rebellion' version. It's all still so recent in the US, that's why it's controversial. Given a few centuries, statues of Nero and Caligula are acceptable.
    Hide 'em. The statues. Hide 'em for a hundred years and give nostalgia time to catch up. That's my advice.
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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    As a great-great grandson of a Confederate soldier from Alabama who died during the war I support that move.

    I don't mind the removal of the statues but I never want to see the Confederate cemeteries destroyed or vandalized. We should maintain some respect for the rank and file Confederate soldier.
    It was a brutal war and the suffering was great. In Alabama the vote to secede was hardly a landslide with a 61% - 39% vote.
    The arguments over what the American Civil War was fought over almost always ignore the fact that the "rank and file" wasn't necessarily fighting for the same reason as the "political class" sent them off to war.

    At the beginning of the American Civil War, the most common motivation of the Union Army soldiers was "to preserve the Union" while the most common motivation of the Confederate Army soldiers was "to preserve state's rights". The most common motivation of the Northern "political class" was "to ensure the continuation of a system that favoured the North" while the most common motivation of the Southern "political class" was "to end a system that favoured the North".

    "Preserving/Abolishing Slavery" was the propaganda line and even it didn't sell as well as "preserving the Union" or "preserving States' Rights".

    What a lot of "Northerners" forget is that Mr. Lincoln favoured ending slavery someplace around 1900 while compensating slave owners for their "loss of assets" and after shipping the freed slaves back to Africa "where they belonged" before he favoured ending slavery in those parts of the country that the Federal government didn't control.
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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
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    Thank you for an excellent turn of phrase ("man amplified") I think that it is actually the correct one.
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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    And then we can all turn our attention to all of the graves of the people in the armies of the CSA who died in battle. Their graves will have to be dug up and their remains as well (and don't forget the tombstones.

    After that we can all turn our attention to any monuments/graves that are even remotely associated with people who "oppressively held human beings in bondage and treated them like chattels".

    Once that's been completed, all of the monuments/graves that are even remotely associated with the genocidal "ethnic cleansing" of the Native Americans will have to be expunged (and, naturally, the lands "stolen from them at the point of guns" will have to be returned).
    well now wait, lets not forget how a lot of native americans and spanish had slaves in north america as well, when people were captured in battle... we need to grind any monuments/graves associated with them as well.

    we should also conquer Europe and destroy all of their monuments and gravestones, since at the time the US was created, all of those countries allowed slavery.

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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypothetical View Post
    well now wait, lets not forget how a lot of native americans and spanish had slaves in north america as well, when people were captured in battle... we need to grind any monuments/graves associated with them as well.

    we should also conquer Europe and destroy all of their monuments and gravestones, since at the time the US was created, all of those countries allowed slavery.
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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin4 View Post
    What About What About...EPIC FAIL...The statue is gone...Deal with it
    I don't care about the statue dude, the student body did the right thing if that's what they wanted, its their campus. what I care about are people who relate everyone TODAY with a few monuments and some sort of grievances 200 years too late.

    things were different in the 1800's. lets understand perspective as we look at history.

    back then the best technologically equipped won in conquests and conquest was the order of the day for almost all people. getting pissed at them and wanting to hurt them somehow 200 years later when they are all dead and blaming those who are related to them is just silly.

    they figured it out , else we would have a split country and there may still be slaves. maybe we need to do the same.

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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypothetical View Post
    well now wait, lets not forget how a lot of native americans and spanish had slaves in north america as well, when people were captured in battle... we need to grind any monuments/graves associated with them as well.

    we should also conquer Europe and destroy all of their monuments and gravestones, since at the time the US was created, all of those countries allowed slavery.
    It's common in Europe, South America, Central America and virtually hundreds of nations all over the world, when a dictator or conqueror has been defeated, their iconic statues are removed and in some case defiled by other means. We don't have to tell people in Europe to remove statues of men such as Lenin, Franco, Stalin, Khadaffi and Mussolini because people tear them down with a vengeance once conflict has ended. The U.S. has no need to remind people in the South that their ancestors were enslaved by men riding a horse swinging a sabre.

    Removal of statue of Spanish dictator Francisco Franco removed



    Statue of Saddam Hussein removed



    Statue of King George III removed


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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by TU Curmudgeon View Post
    From NBC News

    Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    The University of Mississippi student government voted unanimously to remove a statue of a Confederate soldier from the center of their campus Tuesday, fewer than two weeks after a pro-Confederate rally unfolded at the school.

    The latest flashpoint in a nationwide examination of Confederate iconography, the 47-0 vote was met with a loud applause in the room.

    Students at this university, which has endured the national gaze multiple times in recent years for troubling symbols and racist incidents, described the energy at the meeting as electric: some hugged, while others wiped away tears.

    I started crying when I knew we had the majority vote," said Leah Davis, a black junior psychology major from Tupelo, Mississippi, who helped write the resolution. "It was really powerful to me the fact that the senate voted unanimously.

    The resolution that passed was signed Tuesday night by student body president Elam Miller. It proposes that the statue be moved from its place at the center of the campus to a nearby cemetery on school grounds, where hundreds of Confederate soldiers are buried.

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    Moving the statue to the cemetery sounds like an eminently rational action to me.

    On the other hand, maybe <sarc>the cemetery should be plowed up and the remains ground to powder then dumped in the ocean rather than remaining as a "monument to the defence of slavery"</sarc> (mind you, there are some people who would actually advance that position seriously).
    This is what true liberalism looks like.

    The crazed mobs running through city streets ripping down flags and toppling statues could learn a thing or two from these kids.

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    Re: Ole Miss students vote unanimously to remove Confederate statue from campus center

    Quote Originally Posted by JMaximus View Post
    This is what true liberalism looks like.

    The crazed mobs running through city streets ripping down flags and toppling statues could learn a thing or two from these kids.
    I give them credit, I would have grinded those statues into dust...But I'm not that liberal
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