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AOC calls Afghanistan war '''disastrous + wrong''' response to 9/11, says US should have tried '''non-intervention''' | Fox News

U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez faced criticism this week after writing that the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan to combat Al-Qaeda in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks was “disastrous” and “wrong,” and asserting that “non-intervention” should have been tried instead.


The New York Democrat, who’s been mostly silent on foreign policy since taking office in January, fired off a number of tweets Monday in a bid to defend her embattled ally, U.S. Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., over some recent comments that have been perceived as anti-Semitic and for questioning the U.S.-Israel alliance.

“I remember a time when it was `unacceptable’ to question the Iraq War,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote, before correcting that she meant the Afghanistan War. “All of Congress was wrong, including both GOP & Dem Party, and led my generation into a disastrous + wrong war that all would come to regret, except for the one who member who stood up: Barbara Lee.”
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Ignorant little twit who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. No doubt she believes the same thing about 1941. My bad, she's too stupid to know about Pearl Harbor.
 
American said:
AOC calls Afghanistan war '''disastrous + wrong''' response to 9/11, says US should have tried '''non-intervention''' | Fox News


Ignorant little twit who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. No doubt she believes the same thing about 1941. My bad, she's too stupid to know about Pearl Harbor.
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Actually, when it comes to the War in Afghanistan, I agree with anyone who states that was a step too far.

9/11 was done with mostly Saudi Arabian fanatics led by a wealthy Saudi Arabian, with a sprinkling of other Middle East participants.

Bin Laden fled to Afghanistan initially for protection. IMO all the US needed to do was target him for assassination and do it the old CIA way and we would never have had to invade and occupy that country for going on 19 years.
 
TheGoverness said:
AOC's 150% correct on this. The Afghanistan war was a huge mistake.
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I agree as far as putting troops in country. The Russians and others before them, including Alexander the Great, failed miserably with that endeavor.
 
Well, we cant turn back time. What matters now is we ought to pull out ASAP, and in the rest of the Mideast too.
 
WCH said:
I agree as far as putting troops in country. The Russians and others before them, including Alexander the Great, failed miserably with that endeavor.
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Alexander succeeded and invaded india. He just died too young.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Actually, when it comes to the War in Afghanistan, I agree with anyone who states that was a step too far.

9/11 was done with mostly Saudi Arabian fanatics led by a wealthy Saudi Arabian, with a sprinkling of other Middle East participants.

Bin Laden fled to Afghanistan initially for protection. IMO all the US needed to do was target him for assassination and do it the old CIA way and we would never have had to invade and occupy that country for going on 19 years.
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Was there a choice to drop a bomb on Saudi Arabia? Furthermore how does AOC's passive approach work as an answer to 9/11? Would you stand by and do nothing? Oh, and we don't have a policy of assassinating the heads of state. There's a reason for that. Now, could we have stopped after killing bin Laden? Yes, but it took all the stuff before it to get there. Bottom line is that AOC probably barely could find Afghanistan on a map, and isn't speak from any kind of knowledge.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Actually, when it comes to the War in Afghanistan, I agree with anyone who states that was a step too far.

9/11 was done with mostly Saudi Arabian fanatics led by a wealthy Saudi Arabian, with a sprinkling of other Middle East participants.

Bin Laden fled to Afghanistan initially for protection. IMO all the US needed to do was target him for assassination and do it the old CIA way and we would never have had to invade and occupy that country for going on 19 years.
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I agree.

We are too eager to put on a show then pat ourselves on the back and in reality little is actually accomplished except for saddling the hard working middle class with the bill. I say gather intelligence hit them fast and hard and don't bother chasing the cockroaches into their hiding places for decades.
 
WCH said:
I agree as far as putting troops in country. The Russians and others before them, including Alexander the Great, failed miserably with that endeavor.
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The objectives were different, they wanted to conquer the country. We were there to kill the people that harbored bin Laden, and kill him.
 
American said:
Was there a choice to drop a bomb on Saudi Arabia?
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No. We should have gathered intel not showing our hand. Then a lot of the rats should have been gathered up and tried or fallen out of airplanes.
 
American said:
Was there a choice to drop a bomb on Saudi Arabia? Furthermore how does AOC's passive approach work as an answer to 9/11? Would you stand by and do nothing? Oh, and we don't have a policy of assassinating the heads of state. There's a reason for that. Now, could we have stopped after killing bin Laden? Yes, but it took all the stuff before it to get there. Bottom line is that AOC probably barely could find Afghanistan on a map, and isn't speak from any kind of knowledge.
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1. Drop a bomb on Saudi Arabia? (deflection).

2. Where does "Put a hit contract out on a terrorist" and sending in the "black ops" equate to "standing and doing nothing?"

3. Bin Laden wasn't a "head of state," he was a self-declared mass-murdering criminal.

4. No, it would not have "taken all that stuff" to get to the point of killing/capturing Bin Laden. It might have taken time and some small effort, but he would have been "gotten" eventually and at minimal cost in funds and little if not NO cost to American lives.
 
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American said:
Ignorant little twit who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. No doubt she believes the same thing about 1941. My bad, she's too stupid to know about Pearl Harbor.
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I gotta shake my head when those who never risked as much paper cut opine what's a 'good' war. Just to try and make the OP example somewhat relevant- after Dec 7th America didn't declare war on China but the nation who's people attacked us. Afghanistan didn't attack us, a bunch of radical Saudis did and that nation harbors the radicals bent on a warped war on 'infidels' which oft times includes fellow Muslims.

But no let's attack a nation NO world power has ever 'civilized'.... :roll:
 
American said:
AOC calls Afghanistan war '''disastrous + wrong''' response to 9/11, says US should have tried '''non-intervention''' | Fox News


Ignorant little twit who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. No doubt she believes the same thing about 1941. My bad, she's too stupid to know about Pearl Harbor.
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I'm not sure what I could say that has not already been said. I'm suddenly reminded of that time that Bill Maher tried to defend going into Vietnam. You just tried to compare our involvement in WWII, to one of the worst foreign-policy decisions in modern history.
 
As Richard Clarke wrote in his book, "Against All Enemies," the goal of al Qaeda was to provoke the U.S. to respond to 911 to drain the U.S. of resources, while making it look as an attack on Islamic countries. The American response -- an invasion of Afghanistan and later Iraq, drained the U.S. of trillions of dollars and didn't stabilize the Middle East. In fact, it is more unstable today.

It wasn't until 2011 that Obama ordered a raid that killed bin Laden.

Thus, I tend to agree with AOC and take exception to anyone calling her "a little twit."
 
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I gotta shake my head when those who never risked as much paper cut opine what's a 'good' war. Just to try and make the OP example somewhat relevant- after Dec 7th America didn't declare war on China but the nation who's people attacked us. Afghanistan didn't attack us, a bunch of radical Saudis did and that nation harbors the radicals bent on a warped war on 'infidels' which oft times includes fellow Muslims.

But no let's attack a nation NO world power has ever 'civilized'.... :roll:
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Most people were on board with getting those responsible, but not so much with a long presence for regime change in a country which has successfully resisted those efforts in the past. It's become one of those wars where no one is really clear on what "winning" means when the obstacles make it nearly impossible. What will be interesting going forward is how the existing government and the Taliban get on; as well as the amount of time it takes for the Taliban to get back into power. Should that happen, then the war would have really been a massive waste of human life.
 
apdst said:
How should we have retaliated against the worst attack in United States history?
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How about not invading a country needlessly and foolishly for 19 years? How about not throwing so many of our US troops in that area to die, needlessly fighting a war they should have never been involved in in the first place?
 
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American said:
The objectives were different, they wanted to conquer the country. We were there to kill the people that harbored bin Laden, and kill him.
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Um no, we toppled the government that was in power at the time and replaced it with a so called "US friendly" government. And we didn't even KILL bin ladin in the Afghanistan attacks, so if that was the objective (your choice of words), then the US FAILED.
 
apdst said:
How should we have retaliated against the worst attack in United States history?
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Killed the mastermind of it without toppling an entire government causing MORE terrorists and MORE chaos.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Most people were on board with getting those responsible, but not so much with a long presence for regime change in a country which has successfully resisted those efforts in the past. It's become one of those wars where no one is really clear on what "winning" means when the obstacles make it nearly impossible. What will be interesting going forward is how the existing government and the Taliban get on; as well as the amount of time it takes for the Taliban to get back into power. Should that happen, then the war would have really been a massive waste of human life.
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Yeah. And our involvement in the destabilization of the Middle East, has made the area much more volatile and 100x worse than it already was. All of our attempts to 'establish democracy', have been a massive failure in every regard.
 
American said:
AOC calls Afghanistan war '''disastrous + wrong''' response to 9/11, says US should have tried '''non-intervention''' | Fox News


Ignorant little twit who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. No doubt she believes the same thing about 1941. My bad, she's too stupid to know about Pearl Harbor.
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You’ve been there almost 20 years and the country is just as ****ed as when you started and I’m wondering, when will people llike you get a ****ing clue that this isn’t a war you can “win”.
 
American said:
AOC calls Afghanistan war '''disastrous + wrong''' response to 9/11, says US should have tried '''non-intervention''' | Fox News


Ignorant little twit who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground. No doubt she believes the same thing about 1941. My bad, she's too stupid to know about Pearl Harbor.
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Calling out AOC as an ignorant little twit and too stupid to know about Pearl Harbor reads like a lowbrow partisan rant utterly lacking in substance. The expression "Consider the source" comes to mind. So you don't like her... duh.
 
American said:
The objectives were different, they wanted to conquer the country. We were there to kill the people that harbored bin Laden, and kill him.
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According to people I spoke to, who worked at CIA at the time, we had nearly captured/killed bin Laden in Tora Bora. However, a truce was declared that allowed bin Laden to slip out.
 
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