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Ocasio-Cortez, chief of staff illegally moved $885K in campaign contributions 'off the books,' FEC c

Objective Voice said:
The first thing people have to understand is this case isn't directed at AOC, rather it's a case against her campaign Chief of Staff. The second thing folks rightly should be asking is "Did AOC direct the action or no about it before investigators discovered it?" Now for the political/hypercritical part...
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I'd add a third thing - the entities involved documented the arrangement in detail on their website at the latest by May 2018 (that was when it was last revised). In fact the documentation was complete enough that the complaint adopted that explanation as an exhibit to their complaint, to show what they were doing, and what they happily admitted to doing.

The point is not only did the entities NOT try to hide what they were doing, they put exactly what they were doing on their own website. So it seems unlikely anyone involved believed it was illegal or even improper as they told donors - here's where your money is going, and what we're doing with it, and explained the unusual arrangement as they only way they could structure it and comply with FEC regs. Sure, they might be wrong, but there's no indication of intentional wrongdoing, and lots of disclosure months before investigators "discovered" what was in plain sight.

I find it quite interesting that the people who are claiming that "Ms. Polly Perfect" has an ethics problem are the same people who overlook Trump's clear ethics problem from his campaign and his actions during his presidency. In other words, if you're going to play "guilt by association" when the public servant is a Democrat, then be fair and even handed when the public servant is a Republican especially when said servant is the POTUS.

I said it for Trump and the Russia investigation and I'll say it about AOC: While it's fair to speculate, let's wait until the investigation is completed before rushing to judgement.
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I agree. :peace
 
Some right wing conservative hack makes a claim, therefore all the right wing hack will believe it. Just more pretty republicans attacks
 
American said:
Awwww, you decided to misquote me to make your point. How sad for you.
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I didn't misquote you. It's your words 100%. However, I did not use them to slight you in any way. On the contrary, I used them to make a larger point.

AOC isn't charged with a crime here. Her campaign Chief of Staff is. It hasn't been determined if she was involved in his alleged unlawful act. So, while everyone is quick to lay "guilt by association" at her feet, let's not forget that the same has happening with Pres. Trump and people on the right complain about how unfair that is every day. Therefore, I do think it's very hypercritical of those who are quick to jump all over AOC when all she seems to have done thus far is not properly vet a crook while Trump gets a pass for his associations with people in his campaign for their questionable "business contacts" with Russians suspected of interfering in our election process. Moreover, far more people have been indicted and are facing imprisonment for their crimes, yet folks on the right don't see this as "guilty by association" by the POTUS at all.

If you're going to cry foul on the one hand, you'd better cry foul on the other as well.
 
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OlNate said:
You've lost interest because it's your guy.

You have very much interest when it's not.

= Hypocrite.
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Seeing as my statement runs contrary to what you're trying to say. You, continually trying to lie about my reasoning. Isn't going to help you in the least here. Just like it never has in the past.

If they hadn't pissed their attempts away with lies and slander all those other times. I'd be more open to the idea that he might actually be responsible for whatever it is that they're attempting to pitch. But at this point, the already low levels of credibility that they possess. Mixed with all the failed attempts. Really isn't doing them any favors.
 
Oborosen said:
Seeing as my statement runs contrary to what you're trying to say. You, continually trying to lie about my reasoning. Isn't going to help you in the least here. Just like it never has in the past.

If they hadn't pissed their attempts away with lies and slander all those other times. I'd be more open to the idea that he might actually be responsible for whatever it is that they're attempting to pitch. But at this point, the already low levels of credibility that they possess. Mixed with all the failed attempts. Really isn't doing them any favors.
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I always find myself giggling when a Trump supporter complains about lies and slander, failed attempts, and low levels of credibility. It's like you don't even realize the irony...or the humor. Given how often, and maybe more importantly, badly, the GOP lies, what makes you think we ought to care any more about this than you care about your shady prick of a president? And you supporters are the dictionary example of enablers - my goodness, what it must feel like to lord over millions of enablers like Trump does, no wonder he thinks he's king of the world.

Here's the thing. I support investigating her completely. Zero hesitation. It's a no brainer. In this day and age, when rumor and innuendo can bring people down, transparency and being disciplined about accountability and shouldering the burden of proof is all the more important. This absolutely needs to be sorted out. Doesn't matter that I support some of her ideas, or that, if I were American, she belongs to the party I'd most likely vote for. And I certainly wouldn't risk making an ass of myself by asserting with any certainty that she did or didn't do this. Oh, I can give my opinion...this makes her look like a dumbass who got took at best, or a crook at worst... But I'm mature enough to know that things often appear one way and turn out another. So, I'll debate my opinion, but never make the mistake of claiming it useful as a fact.

In case you're wondering why I'm going so deep into my methodology, it's simply because it's clear you need the lesson on personal accountability, as it pertains to how you support your party or person of choice. If having credibility and not looking like a hypocrite and a dummy is something you're shooting for, anyway.
 
OlNate said:
I always find myself giggling when a Trump supporter complains about lies and slander, failed attempts, and low levels of credibility. It's like you don't even realize the irony...or the humor. Given how often, and maybe more importantly, badly, the GOP lies, what makes you think we ought to care any more about this than you care about your shady prick of a president? And you supporters are the dictionary example of enablers - my goodness, what it must feel like to lord over millions of enablers like Trump does, no wonder he thinks he's king of the world.

Here's the thing. I support investigating her completely. Zero hesitation. It's a no brainer. In this day and age, when rumor and innuendo can bring people down, transparency and being disciplined about accountability and shouldering the burden of proof is all the more important. This absolutely needs to be sorted out. Doesn't matter that I support some of her ideas, or that, if I were American, she belongs to the party I'd most likely vote for. And I certainly wouldn't risk making an ass of myself by asserting with any certainty that she did or didn't do this. Oh, I can give my opinion...this makes her look like a dumbass who got took at best, or a crook at worst... But I'm mature enough to know that things often appear one way and turn out another. So, I'll debate my opinion, but never make the mistake of claiming it useful as a fact.

In case you're wondering why I'm going so deep into my methodology, it's simply because it's clear you need the lesson on personal accountability, as it pertains to how you support your party or person of choice. If having credibility and not looking like a hypocrite and a dummy is something you're shooting for, anyway.
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Given your history on this site, you have no room to talk about hypocrisy of any sort. Though I do find your honesty on this whole issue refreshing. I still just don't care, for whatever they want. Let them investigate her, or him, it does not matter to me.

I will also cover that I in no way made a statement to Trump's accountability, or that of his administration. So you attempting to add some sort of meaningless, compounding factor is just as useless as the last several dozen times you've done so. Though I would still count his credibility higher given what has been actually said, against what has actually been done and not some butt hurt group of journalist. Who somehow think it's going to be a smart move to critique and fact-check the man's tongue in cheek, dead-pan jokes.

I still don't care. If Cortez gets caught doing anything, it will just be nothing more than another politician who did something stupid, or screwed up in some other way. Though depending on how much she decides to chide her own party for the next few weeks and if it turns out that she did do this herself. Then it may be fun to see her scramble for protection within the arms of her party.

Though the novelty of that being new would still just wear off as well.
 
Oborosen said:
Given your history on this site, you have no room to talk about hypocrisy of any sort. Though I do find your honesty on this whole issue refreshing. I still just don't care, for whatever they want. Let them investigate her, or him, it does not matter to me.

I will also cover that I in no way made a statement to Trump's accountability, or that of his administration. So you attempting to add some sort of meaningless, compounding factor is just as useless as the last several dozen times you've done so. Though I would still count his credibility higher given what has been actually said, against what has actually been done and not some butt hurt group of journalist. Who somehow think it's going to be a smart move to critique and fact-check the man's tongue in cheek, dead-pan jokes.

I still don't care. If Cortez gets caught doing anything, it will just be nothing more than another politician who did something stupid, or screwed up in some other way. Though depending on how much she decides to chide her own party for the next few weeks and if it turns out that she did do this herself. Then it may be fun to see her scramble for protection within the arms of her party.

Though the novelty of that being new would still just wear off as well.
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My history on this site, huh? You care to elaborate, or are you just throwing random insults and insinuations in an effort to deflect? That's a pretty open ended bit of shade you're throwing there, friend. Back it up or take it back - win / win for me, because I actually care about not being a hypocrite, so if you have an example, please bring it forward, so I can confirm or deny - you know I'll be honest about it.

As for your statement re: Trump's accountability, I point to your self proclaimed lack of care over the allegations levied against him, compared to the obvious interest in this case, which is child's play compared to the numerous things Trump is being accused of. Suggesting Trump's credibility is better than AOC's, or just about anyone else on the planet for that matter, is further compounding evidence of either blatant dishonesty on your part, or delusional fandom.

We may not find common ground on this one, but I'd sure appreciate if you cleared up exactly what you were implying with the personal dig...thanks.
 
OlNate said:
My history on this site, huh? You care to elaborate, or are you just throwing random insults and insinuations in an effort to deflect? That's a pretty open ended bit of shade you're throwing there, friend. Back it up or take it back - win / win for me, because I actually care about not being a hypocrite, so if you have an example, please bring it forward, so I can confirm or deny - you know I'll be honest about it.

As for your statement re: Trump's accountability, I point to your self proclaimed lack of care over the allegations levied against him, compared to the obvious interest in this case, which is child's play compared to the numerous things Trump is being accused of. Suggesting Trump's credibility is better than AOC's, or just about anyone else on the planet for that matter, is further compounding evidence of either blatant dishonesty on your part, or delusional fandom.

We may not find common ground on this one, but I'd sure appreciate if you cleared up exactly what you were implying with the personal dig...thanks.
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Cortez is definitely a dingbat with little understanding of what she proposes to the detriment of the US. Trump knows better. Baby Cortez has also clearly violated campaign finance laws for which some people have gone to jail. Cortez will not likely be charged, however, because DC democrats have a history of getting other democrat crooks off the hook no matter how serious their violations of federal laws.
 
marke said:
Cortez is definitely a dingbat with little understanding of what she proposes to the detriment of the US. Trump knows better. Baby Cortez has also clearly violated campaign finance laws for which some people have gone to jail. Cortez will not likely be charged, however, because DC democrats have a history of getting other democrat crooks off the hook no matter how serious their violations of federal laws.
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:lamo

Those nasty Libruls, huh...
 
OlNate said:
:lamo

Those nasty Libruls, huh...
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"Run for your lives! Fear and horror! If we don't bankrupt the American economy chasing global warming rainbows the world will end for everyone on the planet in 12 years!!!!!"
 
OlNate said:
My history on this site, huh? You care to elaborate, or are you just throwing random insults and insinuations in an effort to deflect? That's a pretty open ended bit of shade you're throwing there, friend. Back it up or take it back - win / win for me, because I actually care about not being a hypocrite, so if you have an example, please bring it forward, so I can confirm or deny - you know I'll be honest about it.

As for your statement re: Trump's accountability, I point to your self proclaimed lack of care over the allegations levied against him, compared to the obvious interest in this case, which is child's play compared to the numerous things Trump is being accused of. Suggesting Trump's credibility is better than AOC's, or just about anyone else on the planet for that matter, is further compounding evidence of either blatant dishonesty on your part, or delusional fandom.

We may not find common ground on this one, but I'd sure appreciate if you cleared up exactly what you were implying with the personal dig...thanks.
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I have no reason to do anything for you. Much less a shy chance at something that you'd never willingly own up to. Because at this point I'm tired of chasing posters like you around for a few weeks at a time.

Though given how much you take personal digs at other posters, maybe I should start asking for citations as well. It would most likely make you run that much quicker.
 
Oborosen said:
I have no reason to do anything for you. Much less a shy chance at something that you'd never willingly own up to. Because at this point I'm tired of chasing posters like you around for a few weeks at a time.

Though given how much you take personal digs at other posters, maybe I should start asking for citations as well. It would most likely make you run that much quicker.
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lol...surrender accepted. Try hard not to make personal accusations if you don't have anything to back it up. Not good for the ol' credibility. ;)

Bottom line, to bring it back around to the OP, I will repeat that I think she should be investigated, as should all politicians who stand accused of betraying the trust you people put into them when you gave them your votes. Irrespective of any "lack of interest" driven by being a supporter.

Have a good weekend, Ob.
 
OlNate said:
lol...surrender accepted. Try hard not to make personal accusations if you don't have anything to back it up. Not good for the ol' credibility. ;)

Bottom line, to bring it back around to the OP, I will repeat that I think she should be investigated, as should all politicians who stand accused of betraying the trust you people put into them when you gave them your votes. Irrespective of any "lack of interest" driven by being a supporter.

Have a good weekend, Ob.
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Alright, so when you make your usual, personal jabs. I'll just ask for a citation and watch you run as well.
That sounds like a fair trade in all of this.
 
Oborosen said:
Alright, so when you make your usual, personal jabs. I'll just ask for a citation and watch you run as well.
That sounds like a fair trade in all of this.
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A citation for what??

I'm gonna ask for a purple banana, if we're asking for random, irrelevant things, and claim some kind of victory. Where's my purple banana Ob. Ha ha - I win. :roll:

If you're done, be done, Ob.
 
OlNate said:
A citation for what??

I'm gonna ask for a purple banana, if we're asking for random, irrelevant things, and claim some kind of victory. Where's my purple banana Ob. Ha ha - I win. :roll:

If you're done, be done, Ob.
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I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your and to that extent the problem with all regressive's double standard.

Oh well, rules for the and not for me with you people as always I guess. What else is new?
 
Oborosen said:
I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your and to that extent the problem with all regressive's double standard.

Oh well, rules for the and not for me with you people as always I guess. What else is new?
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:lamo Me saying both should be investigated is a double standard, huh?

Are you still actually trying to make sense, or are you just using a Conservative Debate Forum Talking Point randomizer to pick your responses for you?

As I said before, if you're done, be done.
 
Mycroft said:
She may have committed a crime. The House Dems should investigate her.
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On a scale of 1% to 100%, what do you think the odds are that the House Dems will do that?
 
AlbqOwl said:
On a scale of 1% to 100%, what do you think the odds are that the House Dems will do that?
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Especially since the whole story has been debunked.
 
American said:
Ocasio-Cortez, chief of staff illegally moved $885K in campaign contributions 'off the books,' FEC complaint alleges

Ocasio-Cortez, chief of staff illegally moved $885K in campaign contributions '''off the books,''' FEC complaint alleges | Fox News


Looks like Ms Polly Perfect has an ethics problem in her office. And wasn't she railing against this very thing? Is this the good part of socialism we've heard so much about, transparency?
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so "American", what was the result of Republican congressional investigation?
 
Vern said:
mmmm, looks like "American" has suddenly developed 'laryngitis'. That's odd.

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What's even odder is necroing a thread without adding anything useful.
 
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