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New report: Trump appears to have committed multiple campaign finance-related crimes

uptower said:
I don't recall writing any articles on the matter. It may be suitable for Fox or Brietbart to present unproven opinions as facts but until any charges are laid or a proper inquiry is held, the best an online source can (and should report) is what the facts appear. If I were a Trump supporter I'd be more worried about upcoming congressional hearings and the potential for impeachment than trying to shoot the messenger.
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Senate Republicans will not vote to impeach.
 
Exactice said:
Thanks for Proving my POINT...... The POTUS is NOT the absolute power. There is Co-Equal Branches of our Government.
HATE on TRUMP all you want but things in relation to penalties and sanctions were still applied at the approval or disapproval of TRUMP
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So you're now agreeing with the way I characterized Trump? He's definitely been pro-Putin in action, and word, his entire presidency, in remarkably consistent fashion. If you don't find that at least odd, hopefully concerning, I can't help you.
AGAIN TRUMP getting into office even if being a "PRO-PUTIN" accolade benefited RUSSIA HOW?
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It's too long to list. Hillary vocally opposed Putin's behavior, and his regime, and actively worked to help his opposition (through her speeches).
Beating Hillary was Putin's #1 goal. - Putin wins
Putin's second goal is get sanction relief. Trump has fought any/all sanctions - Putin wins.
Congress did get some passed anyway, which is irrelevant because he would have had the same *or more* under Hillary, this is moot.
Trump's administration just got a number of sanctions removed to assist Oleg Deripaska's Al business, despite objects from Democrats. - Putin win.
Sow discord in western democracies including the U.S. Huge win for Putin
Take brazen action against the U.S. and against international interests, and suffer little to no consequences - Putin win
Have a U.S. president and executive branch that supports Putin - Putin wins
Weaken NATO - Putin wins
Back up Russian State propaganda about Crimea, Montinegro, etc. - Putin win
Claim the investigators/investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election is a corrupt and improper investigation, not to be trusted - Putin win.
Someone who will walk onto the national stage and claim they believe Putin over U.S. intelligence - Putin wins

I mean, do I need to continue? This is what I mean...if you do not already know these things, then I don't see how anyone would take your position seriously. There is something *seriously wrong* if you don't already know and accept at least most of those basic things.
 
uptower said:
Except maybe someone with a clean business and personal record. Sanders springs to mind.
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I can TOTALLY Accept that if there is someone, Honestly outside of Biden and Sanders are pretty hardcore radical dems.....But in all fairness as MY stance has been clear on my voting..I voted purely on the person that could fulfill my political agenda. NOT a Popularity contest. Bernie is an independant trying to ride the DEM Ticket. If Biden is anything like Obama, no thank you......LOL thats just me being honest though.
 
apdst said:
Oh, I can't ****in wait!...lol
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IN all fairness, what they did to Kavannaugh set it off for me, ABSOLUTE BULLCRAP and this made me a more pissed of Voter after that......
 
upsideguy said:
Page 11 of the Government Sentencing Memorandum concerning Michael Cohen. Actual document found via this link.

Read New Documents Filed in Cohen, Manafort Cases - NBC New York
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trixare4kids said:
Your source, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics is the counterweight to conservative government watchdog groups such as Judicial Watch....

When Trump has been indicted, charged and found guilty of CREW's allegations, be sure and get back...:lol:
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Like I said about six time already, read line two of my earlier post reposted above again for your convenience.
 
Integrityrespec said:
For any of those accusations to stick you are first going to have to prove that Trump, knew, ordered it and attempted to conceal it. If you cannot prove it, no crimes. Oh, and if Cohen is the only witness, good luck. He's a confessed multiple liar to FBI. All Tump lawyers have to to do is put doubt in a juries mind or just prove he paid off skanky women before and it was to save embarrassment and marital problems, thus not campaign related.
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You forgot Cohen's tape already? You guys and your memory. You should really get yourself checked.

Trump and Cohen Discuss Paying Off Playmate in New Tape Obtained by CNN

I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller has more tapes either. If Trump was not President he would have been indicted with Cohen.
 
Mach said:
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IN all fairness YES it is ODD! IN multiple post I have openly stated I AM in support of the counterintelligence initiated set by the FBI and DOJ during the first months of Trump Presidency. HIS actions warranted a dive in.

HERE is the thing the tacked on Criminal Investigation THEN the SC with the SCOPE was too broad without exclusively listing Trump as a Direct Target.

They have been watching Trump likely before he was a Republican Candidate. So to implicate that he is a spy or even colluded without a witness, predicate of a crime just dumb-ass odd behavior.

Uranium 1, Not quote sure where I stand with HRC and Putin.
Sanction relief is what ANY Leader of another country wants, LOOK at China and NK, no different
CONGRESS as their check and balances and Co-equal branch applied the heaviest of sanctions today PERIOD. that is NOT irrelevant it happened.
I need to read up about exactly what Trump was lobbying to remove ( I do not have a foot to debate as I do NOT know let me get back to you)
Brazen action They have been DOING THIS For years like NK launching missles, DONT act like it was Trumps Fault and exclusively trumps fault
Opinion
Opinion
Opinion
Misdirection, I have been trying to really follow his words. 17 Agency claimed Russia interfered, Trump was UN clear in the beginning and finally got it. HE accept Russia interfered, what he is NOW saying is the accusations against him IN RELATION to Russians is untrue.
I had this discussion about Intel...... Not sure if you read it, did a lot of mission planning, INTEL is NOT absolute. (Ala WMD's in Iraq) Intel is intel you take it for what it is. ITS trump prerogative to accept or decline . Neither is WRONG unless its dereliction of duty to defend the US. Behind close doors if you can prove the TRUMP is sitting idle and allowing Russia to interfere again at behest of his intel community THEN YES he is doing something seriously wrong. But I cannot make that statement as I do NOT know.

Let me say again, I half agree with you, HIS actions are unbecoming and VERY odd. The Counter intelligence turned up NOTHING. Trump is still POTUS. It was then handed of to Mueller whom will release something soon to either edify that there was NO collusion just TRUMP being a Dumbass. OR he did collude here is the Proof go to congress get the 2/3rds and impeach.

Untill then It is an Accusation with Zero laws broken at this time.


Sorry We can agree to disagree about Trump as a whole, But I again accept my vote that his policies is where I placed my vote. IF he is IN FACT an agent of Russia I will surely concede that MY VOTE was a bad vote but I WILL NOT CHANGE MY VOTING STYLE of voting on the person that will and has MY political interest. PERIOD. In hind sight, 20/20 say Trump was a Russian and I knew and the Ticket was HRC, Trump or the Independent. I would be face with a tough choice, VOTING For Trump is a threat to National Security. I agree with Zero of HRC's policies nor her ethical beliefs as much as TRUMP, I would likely have to go off the ticket or independent?

Just because the other person is NO good, WHY would I choose the other candidate if they do NOT align in any way shape or form of my voting and political beliefs?
 
ettoremathedi said:
Let me get this out early so right-wingers are represented in the 1st page.

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"Who cares?"
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Lets help the Righties and get all diversions out now !!

But...but...Hillary...emails...Benghazi...Uranium One...Pizzagate!!
 
Exactice said:
I dont know much about Campaign Finance Laws.... But here is my opinion and VERY limited Knowledge that comes from it is....

1) How many criminal prosecutions have "EVER" been issued from a campaign Finance Violation.

2) What is At play here. a SIGNED NDA or a non under oath public statement? In which an NDA is disclosed. is the individual HELD to maintain their silence due to the NDA even in a public interview setting. NOW if Trump was under OATH and he lied... then its chargeable. Trump is by legal stance while not under oath can lie with out charges (its immoral) But again WHAT holds heavier penalties. Violating an NDA or not discussing publicly when asked? (look how the courts ruled against Stormy, Violated NDA and now has to pay for Trumps legal fees as well as damges)

3) These Campaign Finances revolves around the commonality of NDA's and "Hush money" The hard part that I am assuming is to prove that this was related to the campaign;
3a) Was it paid by the Campaign? Nope
3b) Was it initiated by the Campaign? Nope
3c) Could it affect his campaign? Possibly. <--- this is the only kicker

4) The next thing in my book if it ever gets to court..... The events and filings. All events happened 2007ish... around 10 years prior to Trumps bid for even a Republican Primary.
4a) Next is when the actual executed NDA's occurred. (I gotta look this up) As I think Daniels, was the only one that went on a talk show WELL before 2016 (2011) But never released it publicly, SO actually his potential infidelity was ALREADY known to the public. So claim in that the info could potential hurt Trumps campaign so he paid a women off to protect his Presidential Bid... is going to be tough
4b) Karen McDougal I dont think is making ANY deal. If anything she fell in love with Trump? So There was no "Drama" to hide the NDA but maintain it. Per the agreement of the NDA to pay her off that was an agreed upon deal by both parties.?



SO Trump is a scumb bag.... He banged women I get it.... Funny part is MANY and most voters knew this. accepted it.... And still voted for him. The courts and the "prosecutor" would need to build a case that the intent to commit a campaign violation was to protect the campaign, which in all honesty... Why protect if the campaign over this if it was known most voters already accepted his infidelities?
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1) campaign finance violations have been criminally prosecuted the exact same number of times that a presidential candidate has ordered an illegal campaign contribution be made and then covered up

WRT the rest of your points, the existence of an NDA is not the point. It's nothing more than a way for right wingers to avoid discussing the actual crime.
 
Exactice said:
IN all fairness, what they did to Kavannaugh set it off for me, ABSOLUTE BULLCRAP and this made me a more pissed of Voter after that......
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I'm going to show the next Democrat president the same level of respect that was shown to President Trump.

Spartacus Booker? Sexual preditor

Kamala Harris? Besides being named a professional wrestler, she's a slut, who ****ed her way up the ladder. Kinda like Trixie The Whore on Deadwood, "A vote for Bullock gets a handjob. A vote for Star gets a blowjob"...lol

Pocahontas Warren? Well, you know...lol

Bernie Sanders? He's a ****ing communist. He spent more time partying with the Soviets than Ted Kennedy.
 
uptower said:
I don't recall writing any articles on the matter. It may be suitable for Fox or Brietbart to present unproven opinions as facts but until any charges are laid or a proper inquiry is held, the best an online source can (and should report) is what the facts appear. If I were a Trump supporter I'd be more worried about upcoming congressional hearings and the potential for impeachment than trying to shoot the messenger.
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This doesn't have anything to do with Fox News or Breitbart. It has to do with the left and the MSM constantly hollaring Trump could have done this, Trump may have broken the law, it's possible Trump might have done this.
 
trixare4kids said:
Like I said about six time already, read line two of my earlier post reposted above again for your convenience.
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He is an un-indicted co-conspirator. My source is the DoJ Sentencing of Cohen, not a third party news site. Though he is yet to be indicted or found guilty, he has been de facto charged. Remember one is actually guilty of a crime well before one is actually been found guilty of a crime. Moreover, one can be guilty of a crime without ever having been found guilty of a crime. The former is a matter of fact; the latter a matter of the effectiveness of justice.

Perhaps this will well illustrate:

Guilt Chart1.webp
 
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upsideguy said:
He is an un-indicted co-conspirator. My source is the DoJ Sentencing of Cohen, not a third party news site. Though he is yet to be indicted or found guilty, he has been de facto charged. Remember one is actually guilty of a crime well before one is actually been found guilty of a crime.
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Nope. That's :bs
 
apdst said:
I'm going to show the next Democrat president the same level of respect that was shown to President Trump.

Spartacus Booker? Sexual preditor

Kamala Harris? Besides being named a professional wrestler, she's a slut, who ****ed her way up the ladder. Kinda like Trixie The Whore on Deadwood, "A vote for Bullock gets a handjob. A vote for Star gets a blowjob"...lol

Pocahontas Warren? Well, you know...lol

Bernie Sanders? He's a ****ing communist. He spent more time partying with the Soviets than Ted Kennedy.
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What's that saying?
Yeah. Payback is a bitch.
 
trixare4kids said:
Nope. That's :bs
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It’s no longer BS. The Democrats really believe that people are guilty until proved innocent and intend to impose a system of social justice to manage that political view. They want to get rid of every aspect of Constitutional law and every protection the Constitution was enacted to provide.
 
Lutherf said:
It’s no longer BS. The Democrats really believe that people are guilty until proved innocent and intend to impose a system of social justice to manage that political view. They want to get rid of every aspect of Constitutional law and every protection the Constitution was enacted to provide.
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I know it's no longer :bs to them but to the rest of us well...;) We have an obligation to call these liars and scoundrels out and you make a very salient point about the commies wishing to overthrow our justice system.
 
prometeus said:
But your entire post is. Can you support that drivel with anything other than lies and talking points fed to you?
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You missed the Kavanaugh witch hunt hearings?
If that is not proof of a bunch of congressional misfits believing someone was guilty before proved innocent I don't know what is...
If that doesn't do it, see Post #90
 
Lutherf said:
It’s no longer BS. The Democrats really believe that people are guilty until proved innocent and intend to impose a system of social justice to manage that political view. They want to get rid of every aspect of Constitutional law and every protection the Constitution was enacted to provide.
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A. No, democrats don't actually believe that, nor can you demonstrate that they do.
B. No, democrats don't actually want that, nor can you demonstrate that they do.

What an asinine post.
 
trixare4kids said:
Don't apologize for your laughable statement. It's amusing. :2razz:

Newsflash! Unless some is charged, and found guilty of said crimes in a court of law, they're not a criminal.
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So wasn’t Cohen convicted? If someone conspired with him...they’d be guilty of the same crimes
 
ClaraD said:
So wasn’t Cohen convicted? If someone conspired with him...they’d be guilty of the same crimes
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Is that how it works in your world? :doh
Doesn't the POTUS deserve his day in court?

I guess not...
 
Tanngrisnir said:
A. No, democrats don't actually believe that, nor can you demonstrate that they do.
B. No, democrats don't actually want that, nor can you demonstrate that they do.

What an asinine post.
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Are you that unaware?
Read the forum posts...Almost all the anti-Trump brigade has already convicted the POTUS in the kangaroo court of law. Some actually delude themselves into believing the Constitution as written, is no longer relevant or necessary.
Lutherf is correct.

You are wrong.
 
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