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New report: Trump appears to have committed multiple campaign finance-related crimes

uptower said:
New Report: Trump Appears to Have Committed Multiple Crimes - CREW

Alleged campaign finance related crimes include

  • Causing American Media Inc. (AMI) to make and/or accepting (or causing his then lawyer Michael Cohen to accept) an unlawful corporate contribution related to Karen McDougal.
  • Two instances of causing Cohen to make and/or accepting an unlawful individual contributions related to Stephanie Clifford and February 2015 online polling.
  • Two instances of causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC’s failure to report contributions from AMI and Cohen related to McDougal and Clifford.
  • Causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC to file false reports with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
  • Making a false statement by failing to disclose liability to Cohen for the Clifford payment on his 2017 public financial disclosure form.
  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States by undermining the lawful function of the FEC and/or violating federal campaign finance law related to “hush money” payments, false statements, and cover-ups of reimbursement payments to Cohen made by the Trump Organization.

Add them to the list of charges please congress...
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Appears?
 
GDViking said:
Funny, that's how I picture the cultists!!!
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It's easy to see the likeness. That intense victimization rage that contours them.

Trumpet or orc?

can you tell?

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Mach said:
You denied Trump's strangely pro-Putin rhetoric and behavior claiming it was simply "my opinion". There is no reasonable way to frame that in our average citizen/presidential context, to arrive at Trump's behavior being anything but strongly and inexplicably, pro-Putin.
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Denied? NO I have not criminalized Trump behavior.

1) He clarified his comments after Helsinki. HE made a mistake and miss spoke.
2) Heaviest Sanctions against Russian from any Administration regardless if Trump likes it or not, meaning during trumps time we have applied the MOST pressure against Russian.
3) Kicked out 60 Russian diplomats
4) Killed Multiple Russian Mercenaries by ways of missiles in Syria.


Someone has Accused the President of being a Russian Spy, NO facts or witnesses or corroboration to valid this claim.
Someone has Accused the President of Colluding with Russia to interfer in the Presidential Elections, NO Facts or Witnesses to corroborate this claim WITH that. HE is NOT a target or NAMED Target in the scope of the SC Mueller investigation.

Trump has EVERY right to talk Putin and have private meetings.

Same with Chinese President XI (whom by intelligence communities has a MAJOR threat as well)

And the Same way he is CURRENTLY have a summit with NK's Kim Jon Un. Whom is ANOTHER threat of 1 of 7 nations on the Travel ban

The Blinded hate project on TRUMP is opinion NOT FACT.

IF Muellers report has Indictments with PROOF to send to congress to Impeach TRUMP I AM ALL FOR IT. I WANT JUSTICE SERVED AND FACTS APPLIED. BUT if there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. To keep perpetuating the accusations with ZERO legal Moral grounds. I will look at you all and call you hypocrites...... This is Completely destructive and intended to defame a sitting president DOES NOTHING for our country and what we stand for.

As of 02/25/2019 What has RUSSIA in any way shape or form benefit by Trump being in the Whitehouse? ALL the collusion in the world. amounts to WHAT benefits?
 
Exactice said:
Thanks for at least acknowledging that. None of that also makes what Trumps campaign did ILLEGAL or that to quantify a CRIMINAL Charge. or Discredit his presidency. Again how many campaign Finance violations resulted in criminal charges?.... None that I am aware of....
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Ahhh but we are at a whole different level with the crimes this administration has committed...
 
noonereal said:
It's easy to see the likeness. That intense victimization rage that contours them.

Trumpet or orc?

can you tell?

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Isn't that Trump himself pre-makeup, spray tan and comb over?
 
uptower said:
New Report: Trump Appears to Have Committed Multiple Crimes - CREW

Alleged campaign finance related crimes include

  • Causing American Media Inc. (AMI) to make and/or accepting (or causing his then lawyer Michael Cohen to accept) an unlawful corporate contribution related to Karen McDougal.
  • Two instances of causing Cohen to make and/or accepting an unlawful individual contributions related to Stephanie Clifford and February 2015 online polling.
  • Two instances of causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC’s failure to report contributions from AMI and Cohen related to McDougal and Clifford.
  • Causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC to file false reports with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
  • Making a false statement by failing to disclose liability to Cohen for the Clifford payment on his 2017 public financial disclosure form.
  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States by undermining the lawful function of the FEC and/or violating federal campaign finance law related to “hush money” payments, false statements, and cover-ups of reimbursement payments to Cohen made by the Trump Organization.

Add them to the list of charges please congress...
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No real news here. The claims have to do with the allegations that the donations were illegal. Trump had a good claim that our was quite legal.
At worse, pay the fine and go about the day.
 
Moderate Right said:
Appears?
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Hasn't gone through a court yet and no charges have been laid. They can't say he has definitely committed these crimes, despite the evidence, because in the end that is a matter for the law to decide. But based on the evidence they're free to speculate that's what it means.
 
uptower said:
Well Cohen's for starters. I also believe John Edwards, but he got off it. It does not mean such violations are legal, it just means a lawyer may be able to prove their client didn't actually or intentionally commit the violations. Often with cases like this it is hard to prove intent.

Yet here, in the court of public opinion, come on we know Trump did it and why. So back to my earlier statement, the defence for Trump over this is not that he didn't do it, or even that it's not illegal, it's just that 'it doesn't matter' in this case. I admit it's small potatoes, but that's no reason congress or other authorities shouldn't chase it up.
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Fair points! Again truly thank you for at least communicating the point. Its frustrating when I take the time to respond and the only answer I get is ( You are a Turmp supporter) And I am racist, bigot blah blah.... anyways.


Again Cohen and MOST business dealings are scummy PERIOD.... So Sure investigate away.. BUT the Media narrative and even just the public opinion narrative is to FIND guilt. This post was trying to Find guilt yet even the one doing the research is an independent firm that cannot even defiantly claim their info. Just announcing it and letting the MASSES do what they want with it.


Anyways back to the point.... Trump bangs some women in 2007 had an NDA, like most scumbag men that have the means to do so.

He then runs for president and these people come out of the woodworks. His lawyer which then I would want to know, IS THIS a TREND and can this be proven. OR was this just a one of in Relation to his Presidential Candidacy? As the intent was to shield the public from this knowledge to skew the election. WHICH again will likely be the hardest thing to prove BECAUSE of Trumps track record. IN all fairness his Scummy Track record is whats likely going to not find this as a campaign issue but just a common NDA payoff that he has likely done many times.....


BUT again.... take it to court.... roll that dice.... I just personally think this is intened to continue to attacks and defamation against Trump , I DONT LIKE TRUMP MORALLY PERIOD..... But I dont think anyone deserves the hate and fire this guy gets...... And you know what trump will be out in a couple of years..... can you imagine the retribution that may come for the next POTUS.. NO ONE is going to want to JOB....
 
Athanasius68 said:
At worse, pay the fine and go about the day.
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You know that's probably all this particular charge will cone to if it's pursued. But added to his rap sheet, it shows a pattern of misconduct that still dogs his presidency.
 
markjs said:
Isn't that Trump himself pre-makeup, spray tan and comb over?
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It may well be a shot of him from the night he raped his first wife.

I know his wife said he was in a rage when he did it, after pulling out some of her hair.
 
GDViking said:
Ahhh but we are at a whole different level with the crimes this administration has committed...
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I have been hearing this for 2 years.... That and Trump is an Agent of Russia.

IF true He should have NEVER been the POTUS from the Get go. This means our Congress, DOJ and Intelligence Agencies FAILED the AMERICAN people to keep a Foreign adversary out of the White house.

BUT not a single Fact witness, nor a single charge against the President. Hell some of the crimes that hes accused of happened before his Candidacy, Yet not a single criminal charge........
 
uptower said:
Hasn't gone through a court yet and no charges have been laid. They can't say he has definitely committed these crimes, despite the evidence, because in the end that is a matter for the law to decide. But based on the evidence they're free to speculate that's what it means.
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It means it is the same old same old anti-Trump nonsense. It appears Trump did this. Trump may have done that. It's possible Trump did this. Trump could have committed a crime. That's the best you guys have done now for two years.
 
Moderate Right said:
It means it is the same old same old anti-Trump nonsense. It appears Trump did this. Trump may have done that. It's possible Trump did this. Trump could have committed a crime. That's the best you guys have done now for two years.
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2 years........

With that, if Mueller should release a report that does not indict, implicate or factualize a Russian narrative, the same people will lose their mind and say Trump somehow disrupted and tarnished the Mueller Special Council.

They just want him to be guilty. This is how they all respond. IF you do NOT support their beliefs YOU ARE WRONG or Guilty of a crime.


Its sad, ridiculous but heart breaking true......
 
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Exactice said:
2 years........

With that, if Mueller should release a report that does not indict, implicate or factualize a Russian narrative, the same people will lose their mind and say Trump somehow disrupted and tarnished the Mueller Special Council.

They just want him to be guilt. This is how they all respond. IF you do NOT support their beliefs YOU ARE WRONG or Guilty of a crime.


Its sad, ridiculous but heart breaking true......
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Well, first up will be subpoenaing the report to make sure Republicans aren't hiding the things Mueller "could have" found against Trump. After that fails, the House will continue investigating Trump's tax returns and business dealings because there "might be" something there to get Trump with. And, of course, the liberal state of New York will sue Trump for every little thing he "could have" "possibly" "maybe" have done something wrong.
 
Exactice said:
Denied? NO I have not criminalized Trump behavior.
1) He clarified his comments after Helsinki. HE made a mistake and miss spoke.
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Oh brother. You do realize that was neither a blunder, nor an isolated incident right?

2) Heaviest Sanctions against Russian from any Administration regardless if Trump likes it or not, meaning during trumps time we have applied the MOST pressure against Russian.
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Trump opposed all Russian sanctions. Trump also knew the congress had a veto-proof majority. Don't fool yourself. And they just managed to lift some off Oleg Deripaska's company, despite opposition.

3) Kicked out 60 Russian diplomats
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Thanks congress. You didn't read that reporting Exactice? Trump was ****ing furious we kicked so many out and thought that by saying we should do it similar to our Allies, that it would be similar in absolute number...not proportionally. Oops!

4) Killed Multiple Russian Mercenaries by ways of missiles in Syria.
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LOL. Did you even read the reporting of that event? It was Russian mercenaries working with pro-Syrian government fighters. The "Wagner" group we believe...a group with plausible deniability to the Kremlin, so they think.
They telegraphed their preparations for weeks, and then rolled up with 500 or so troops and vehicles and equipment as though they were going to overrun the U.S. held position (40 U.S.soldiers and Kurdish/Arab forces).

US military officials repeatedly warned about the growing mass of troops. But Russian military officials said they had no control over the fighters assembling near the river – even though US surveillance equipment monitoring radio transmissions had revealed the ground force was speaking in Russian.
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The outcome? They lost like 300 soldiers, and the U.S. lost zero. Now I know you are not a complete idiot right? What do you think that was about? Trump hurting Russia? Don't make me laugh.

Trump has EVERY right to talk Putin and have private meetings
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And we have every right to point out that he's acting like he puts Putin's interest over the nations.

That you bought all this "Trump is tough on Putin" nonsense is absolutely amazing. As obvious and clear as the facts are on this, it's mind-boggling.
 
Mach said:
Oh brother. You do realize that was neither a blunder, nor an isolated incident right?


Trump opposed all Russian sanctions. Trump also knew the congress had a veto-proof majority. Don't fool yourself. And they just managed to lift some off Oleg Deripaska's company, despite opposition.


Thanks congress. You didn't read that reporting Exactice? Trump was ****ing furious we kicked so many out and thought that by saying we should do it similar to our Allies, that it would be similar in absolute number...not proportionally. Oops!


LOL. Did you even read the reporting of that event? It was Russian mercenaries working with pro-Syrian government fighters. The "Wagner" group we believe...a group with plausible deniability to the Kremlin, so they think.
They telegraphed their preparations for weeks, and then rolled up with 500 or so troops and vehicles and equipment as though they were going to overrun the U.S. held position (40 U.S.soldiers and Kurdish/Arab forces).



The outcome? They lost like 300 soldiers, and the U.S. lost zero. Now I know you are not a complete idiot right? What do you think that was about? Trump hurting Russia? Don't make me laugh.


And we have every right to point out that he's acting like he puts Putin's interest over the nations.

That you bought all this "Trump is tough on Putin" nonsense is absolutely amazing. As obvious and clear as the facts are on this, it's mind-boggling.
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Thanks for Proving my POINT...... The POTUS is NOT the absolute power. There is Co-Equal Branches of our Government.

HATE on TRUMP all you want but things in relation to penalties and sanctions were still applied at the approval or disapproval of TRUMP

AGAIN TRUMP getting into office even if being a "PRO-PUTIN" accolade benefited RUSSIA HOW?

OUR country while divided I a still assume has its interest still intact. TRUMP MAY BE BEST FRIENDS of PUTIN for all we know, DOES NOT mean Trump alone can change Russian Policy. The more attention we and he brings will just bring a bright spotlight to enforce GREATER sanctions.


My point is......

1) Is Trump a Russian Spy- Yes or NO?
2) Did Trump Collude with Russian to subvert the 2016 Elections? Yes or No?
3) Can Trump be a legitimate Friend of Putin yet still have our nations enforce and apply legitimate sanctions? Yes or No?
4) What illegal action has Trump actually done in relation to Putin?
 
Beyond a summary, I doubt anything will be spelled out. That's the purpose of indictments - which is part of the reason Mr. Comey no longer runs the FBI. It's also why Schiff is worked up into a snit, threatening subpoenas. This will be interesting.
 
Moderate Right said:
It means it is the same old same old anti-Trump nonsense. It appears Trump did this. Trump may have done that. It's possible Trump did this. Trump could have committed a crime. That's the best you guys have done now for two years.
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I don't recall writing any articles on the matter. It may be suitable for Fox or Brietbart to present unproven opinions as facts but until any charges are laid or a proper inquiry is held, the best an online source can (and should report) is what the facts appear. If I were a Trump supporter I'd be more worried about upcoming congressional hearings and the potential for impeachment than trying to shoot the messenger.
 
Exactice said:
And you know what trump will be out in a couple of years..... can you imagine the retribution that may come for the next POTUS.. NO ONE is going to want to JOB....
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Except maybe someone with a clean business and personal record. Sanders springs to mind.
 
uptower said:
Except maybe someone with a clean business and personal record. Sanders springs to mind.
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His wife was under investigation for bank fraud.
 
Exactice said:
Fair points! Again truly thank you for at least communicating the point. Its frustrating when I take the time to respond and the only answer I get is ( You are a Turmp supporter) And I am racist, bigot blah blah.... anyways.


Again Cohen and MOST business dealings are scummy PERIOD.... So Sure investigate away.. BUT the Media narrative and even just the public opinion narrative is to FIND guilt. This post was trying to Find guilt yet even the one doing the research is an independent firm that cannot even defiantly claim their info. Just announcing it and letting the MASSES do what they want with it.


Anyways back to the point.... Trump bangs some women in 2007 had an NDA, like most scumbag men that have the means to do so.

He then runs for president and these people come out of the woodworks. His lawyer which then I would want to know, IS THIS a TREND and can this be proven. OR was this just a one of in Relation to his Presidential Candidacy? As the intent was to shield the public from this knowledge to skew the election. WHICH again will likely be the hardest thing to prove BECAUSE of Trumps track record. IN all fairness his Scummy Track record is whats likely going to not find this as a campaign issue but just a common NDA payoff that he has likely done many times.....


BUT again.... take it to court.... roll that dice.... I just personally think this is intened to continue to attacks and defamation against Trump , I DONT LIKE TRUMP MORALLY PERIOD..... But I dont think anyone deserves the hate and fire this guy gets...... And you know what trump will be out in a couple of years..... can you imagine the retribution that may come for the next POTUS.. NO ONE is going to want to JOB....
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Oh, I can't ****in wait!...lol
 
For any of those accusations to stick you are first going to have to prove that Trump, knew, ordered it and attempted to conceal it. If you cannot prove it, no crimes. Oh, and if Cohen is the only witness, good luck. He's a confessed multiple liar to FBI. All Tump lawyers have to to do is put doubt in a juries mind or just prove he paid off skanky women before and it was to save embarrassment and marital problems, thus not campaign related.
 
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