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Troops Find Severed Heads of 50 Yazidi Sex Slaves in ISIS Tunnels

pamak said:
I gave you similar commands from the Old Testament which command things which are not accepted in a modern society. There is always an interpretation regarding if the text applies to specific conditions or if it applies in general. There is no standard practice in the Turkish Army to rape prisoners of war just because a verse says so.
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This thread is about ISIS and their sex slaves. If the Qur'an did not say it was OK to rape their captives, there would be no such thing as a sex slave in Islam.
 
Sweden said:
This part signifies that the stats start on 12 Sept 2001, omitting - obviously by design - the 9/11 massacres. The stats only refer to the USA, where Islamic terror is low compared to, say, Europe. This is always part of the problem; Americans pay little or no attention to what is happening elsewhere.
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9/11 was not a case of domestic terrorism. it was an attack from outside! And the American Muslims are as you tell us people who believe in Sharia, so you cannot dismiss them. I also reminded you the 80 people who were killed in Norway. How may people were killed in all Scandinavian countries asa result of Islamic terrorism? My general point is to show that the statistics you want to use to attack certain demographic groups make little sense. If you want to talk about the likelihood to become a victim of a member of a certain demographic group, then you focus should be on the Eastern Europeans who entered the west after the collapse of communism. You are wayyy more likely to be a victim of such criminals than become a victim of a Muslim terrorist.
 
ecofarm said:
Dumbass ignorant white nationalist rhetoric. Save it for the compound.
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Let's try a real life example. Verses 4:34 tells Muslims to beat their disobedient wives. I want the freedom to criticize that verse. Do you have a problem with that?
 
stevecanuck said:
This thread is about ISIS and their sex slaves. If the Qur'an did not say it was OK to rape their captives, there would be no such thing as a sex slave in Islam.
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The thread is about ISIS and apparently you try to change the subject of the thread and make it about the Quran. So, I ask you: Why does the Muslim Turkish army accept the Geneva Convention if they have a religious duty (according to your argument) to rape their prisoners?
 
stevecanuck said:
I see your Breivik, and raise you 19 highjackers.
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Not in Scandinavian countries.

Plus, if you recall these "Muslims" highjacks were drinking and gambling in Las Vegas before their mission. Apparently, they were not taking the Quran too seriously...


Seedy secrets of hijackers who broke Muslim laws - Telegraph

THE leader of the September 11 terrorists and four other hijackers made several trips to Las Vegas over the summer to hold meetings, gamble and be entertained by topless dancers.
 
Logician Man said:
Like so many others here, I'm saying you really need to cease and desist with what you are doing here. A Mod told you upthread there are Muslims posting here at DP. Stop making blanket statements about 1.6 billion individuals you know little to nothing about on a personal level,
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I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm quoting the Qur'an to explain why ISIS etal do the things they do. They don't make up their own rules, they follow the Qur'an.

because you, sir, are clearly part of the problem,
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Right?!?!? If not for people like me, there would be no ISIS. This whole Qur'an thing is just a cover.

not part of the solution. As Sammy Davis,Jr. once said to Archie Bunker ( Carroll O'Conner ) while making a guest appearance on the sitcom 'All in the Family'...Sir, after spending this short period of time with you, I have come to the conclusion you ain't better than anybody. "
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Awwww, now I'm gonna go sulk.
 
ecofarm said:
Yeah, yeah, you did it all yourself. In the socialist healthcare paradise. Sure.
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I also live in a socialist health care paradise. Canada to be exact. I recently went for a teeth cleaning ($400 ish out of my own pocket) only to be told I have a pimple on my gum. Turns out the pimple was a harbinger of a triple root canal and a new crown. The result was $3700 worth of work paid for 100% by me. You know nothing, John Ecofarm.
 
Logician Man said:
1) I have no power in this forum to prevent others from doing anything.... 2) I couldn't care less who you agree with.
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Then perhaps you should think twice before issuing a "cease and desist" order. Oops, asking you to think twice implies you've even thought once. Obviously I've made an assumption not supported by anything you've posted.
 
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pamak said:
The thread is about ISIS and apparently you try to change the subject of the thread and make it about the Quran.
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Given that ISIS is all about Islam, then it very much is about the Qur'an.

So, I ask you: Why does the Muslim Turkish army accept the Geneva Convention if they have a religious duty (according to your argument) to rape their prisoners?
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It is not stated as a duty, but an option. It's a choice. "Forbidden to you are married women, except for those your right hands possess". Get it?
 
pamak said:
9/11 was not a case of domestic terrorism. it was an attack from outside! And the American Muslims are as you tell us people who believe in Sharia, so you cannot dismiss them. I also reminded you the 80 people who were killed in Norway. How may people were killed in all Scandinavian countries asa result of Islamic terrorism? My general point is to show that the statistics you want to use to attack certain demographic groups make little sense. If you want to talk about the likelihood to become a victim of a member of a certain demographic group, then you focus should be on the Eastern Europeans who entered the west after the collapse of communism. You are wayyy more likely to be a victim of such criminals than become a victim of a Muslim terrorist.
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No, for the hundredth time I am not attacking 'certain demographic groups'. It is Islam that I criticize, not Muslims. Look at it like this: I loath Catholicism, but I really like Italians, most of whom are Catholics. I also loved my Catholic mother until the day she died, though as I grew older I think she was wrong to send me to Catholic schools until I was 14.

Btw the way I note that you do not hesitate to blanket slur a 'certain demographic group' namely 'Eastern Europeans'. Poles, here in Sweden and in my other country the UK, are as hard working and as honest as anyone. As are Estonians, Letts and Lithuanians who are fairly numerous here. Criminal gangs are often made up of Albanians, 'Kosovans' and Romanians.
 
stevecanuck said:
Given that ISIS is all about Islam, then it very much is about the Qur'an.



It is not stated as a duty, but an option. It's a choice. "Forbidden to you are married women, except for those your right hands possess". Get it?
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Sometimes I think that some people are so indoctrinated into a belief that Islam is warm and cuddly that they are incapable of recognising that it is not only ISIS that is cruel and tyrannical. Where Islam rules - think Pakistan, Sudan, Iran and Saudi Arabia , to mention only a few of the larger states, - people are imprisioned, tortured and executed for committing religious 'crimes' long since reformed out of existence in civilised countries. Their minds are closed and they fail to realise that Islam is much more than a religion; it is also an all embracing philosophy, a legal system and a political doctrine.

One migrant group in Sweden is generally well integrated: the Iranians. This is largely due to them being motivated to escape from Islam not bringing it with them.
 
stevecanuck said:
Given that ISIS is all about Islam, then it very much is about the Qur'an.



It is not stated as a duty, but an option. It's a choice. "Forbidden to you are married women, except for those your right hands possess". Get it?
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Ohh option?

I thought that you were trying to argue that there is no option in how one interprets Quran's verses and Muslims simply follow what they read.

Now try to find another argument because you just recalled the one you tried to make about the Quran and its verses...
 
stevecanuck said:
Then perhaps you should think twice before issuing a "cease and desist" order. Oops, asking you to think twice implies you've even thought once. Obviously I've made an assumption not supported by anything you've posted.
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The 'cease and desist' was a suggestion only..not an order......your propensity for drama is duly noted, as is the irrational fear of all things Islamic.
 
Sweden said:
No, for the hundredth time I am not attacking 'certain demographic groups'. It is Islam that I criticize, not Muslims. Look at it like this: I loath Catholicism, but I really like Italians, most of whom are Catholics. I also loved my Catholic mother until the day she died, though as I grew older I think she was wrong to send me to Catholic schools until I was 14.

Btw the way I note that you do not hesitate to blanket slur a 'certain demographic group' namely 'Eastern Europeans'. Poles, here in Sweden and in my other country the UK, are as hard working and as honest as anyone. As are Estonians, Letts and Lithuanians who are fairly numerous here. Criminal gangs are often made up of Albanians, 'Kosovans' and Romanians.
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Actually you do attack certain demographic groups. If you want to attack Islam as a religion you have to explain why its controversial verses are different from those we find in the Old Testament, and why the endorsement of slavery in Christian texts does not bother you. It seems to me that the difference you try to make is based on a difference you see between Christians and Muslims in how both interpreter their religious texts. And yes, you noted that I made blanket statements about the Eastern Europeans because I am just copying your logic to show how one can use it to make blanket statements about many demographic groups!

Yes, Poles and Russians and the vast majority of Eastern Europeans are hard working but they do have an overrepresentation of crime among them! One can also say that the vast majority of males in general are hard working people who care for their family and do not present a threat to you even though males are by far more likely than females to commit a crime. So, why do you choose to ignore statistics for the Poles or other Eastern Europeans or about the male population in general and somehow you seem obsessed about the statistics related to the particular demographic group of Muslims? The average Muslim is also a hard working person who is not interested in killing his Christian neighbor. Becoming obsessed about the veryyyy remote possibility that you will be a victim of Islamic terrorism is nothing more that Islamophobia. I am sure you do not feel so insecure when you develop connections with male peers, neighbors, coworkers and friends!
 
pamak said:
Actually you do attack certain demographic groups. If you want to attack Islam as a religion you have to explain why its controversial verses are different from those we find in the Old Testament, and why the endorsement of slavery in Christian texts does not bother you. It seems to me that the difference you try to make is based on a difference you see between Christians and Muslims in how both interpreter their religious texts. And yes, you noted that I made blanket statements about the Eastern Europeans because I am just copying your logic to show how one can use it to make blanket statements about many demographic groups!

Yes, Poles and Russians and the vast majority of Eastern Europeans are hard working but they do have an overrepresentation of crime among them! One can also say that the vast majority of males in general are hard working people who care for their family and do not present a threat to you even though males are by far more likely than females to commit a crime. So, why do you choose to ignore statistics for the Poles or other Eastern Europeans or about the male population in general and somehow you seem obsessed about the statistics related to the particular demographic group of Muslims? The average Muslim is also a hard working person who is not interested in killing his Christian neighbor. Becoming obsessed about the veryyyy remote possibility that you will be a victim of Islamic terrorism is nothing more that Islamophobia. I am sure you do not feel so insecure when you develop connections with male peers, neighbors, coworkers and friends!
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But you see I detest Christianity - it 'bothers' me intensely. Thanks to the long patient and sometimes dangerous work of many people over some 200 years it has been defanged. Unlike Islam Chistianity poses no threat to the fabric of Western civilisation. It is this threat that concerns me, not, as you imagine, the minmal risk that I might personally be a victim of a terrorist attack.

I am sure the advice in your final sentence is well meant; it is however absurdly patronising when addressed to one who has lived and worked in Iran and Kuwait.
 
Sweden said:
But you see I detest Christianity - it 'bothers' me intensely. Thanks to the long patient and sometimes dangerous work of many people over some 200 years it has been defanged. Unlike Islam Chistianity poses no threat to the fabric of Western civilisation. It is this threat that concerns me, not, as you imagine, the minmal risk that I might personally be a victim of a terrorist attack.
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Stop being terrified of an object. It's pathetic and stupid. That table is not going to do anything to you. Only people are a threat - individuals who will employ the convenient excuse, even if that means blaming a table.

I am sure the advice in your final sentence is well meant; it is however absurdly patronising when addressed to one who has lived and worked in Iran and Kuwait.
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Such ignorance on display. As if being a tourist or cog in a foreign machine is anything like living somewhere.
 
stevecanuck said:
Let's try a real life example. Verses 4:34 tells Muslims to beat their disobedient wives. I want the freedom to criticize that verse. Do you have a problem with that?
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Your constant Islamophobia is sick.
 
pamak said:
Ohh option?

I thought that you were trying to argue that there is no option in how one interprets Quran's verses and Muslims simply follow what they read.

Now try to find another argument because you just recalled the one you tried to make about the Quran and its verses...
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They do follow what they read. The 4 rape verses tell Muslims that it is permissible to have sex with their captives, not that they MUST. Reading comprehension is clearly not your forte.
 
ecofarm said:
Your constant Islamophobia is sick.
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Here is the question you dodged:

Verses 4:34 tells Muslims to beat their disobedient wives. I want the freedom to criticize that verse. Do you have a problem with that?

If all you have is.....but, but.......Islamophobia!!!!, then you have nothing. Are you going to answer the question?
 
stevecanuck said:
Here is the question you dodged:

Verses 4:34 tells Muslims to beat their disobedient wives. I want the freedom to criticize that verse. Do you have a problem with that?

If all you have is.....but, but.......Islamophobia!!!!, then you have nothing. Are you going to answer the question?
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But you never mention the Christian verses that say the same. It's always Islam Islam Islam and thus your motive is exposed.
 
ecofarm said:
But you never mention the Christian verses that say the same. It's always Islam Islam Islam and thus your motive is exposed.
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If someone finds the severed heads of sex slaves and attribute them to Missouri Baptists, we'll talk about the bible. Now, read the title of this thread. Oh, and Btw, verse 4:34 tells Muslims to beat their disobedient wives. I want the freedom to criticize that verse. Do you have a problem with that?
 
stevecanuck said:
If someone finds the severed heads of sex slaves and attribute them to Missouri Baptists, we'll talk about the bible. Now, read the title of this thread. Oh, and Btw, verse 4:34 tells Muslims to beat their disobedient wives. I want the freedom to criticize that verse. Do you have a problem with that?
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:screwy
 
stevecanuck said:
If someone finds the severed heads of sex slaves and attribute them to Missouri Baptists, we'll talk about the bible. Now, read the title of this thread. Oh, and Btw, verse 4:34 tells Muslims to beat their disobedient wives. I want the freedom to criticize that verse. Do you have a problem with that?
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Then apply the same logic with the Missouri (or any other state's) Muslims!
As I showed to you, the number of victims from domestic right-wing terrorism in the US is below your radar even though the number of deaths from such believers is easily comparable to that of domestic Muslim terrorists. Becoming obsessed with the veryy remote possibility that a Muslim neighbor will some day become an ISIS supporter and try to kill you is irrational.
 
Sweden said:
But you see I detest Christianity - it 'bothers' me intensely. Thanks to the long patient and sometimes dangerous work of many people over some 200 years it has been defanged. Unlike Islam Chistianity poses no threat to the fabric of Western civilisation. It is this threat that concerns me, not, as you imagine, the minmal risk that I might personally be a victim of a terrorist attack.

I am sure the advice in your final sentence is well meant; it is however absurdly patronising when addressed to one who has lived and worked in Iran and Kuwait.
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If Islamic terrorism threatens anything, then this is the Middle Eastern Muslims who are mostly its victims. I see no threat to the fabric of the western civilization as a result of Islam when cases of Islamic terrorism in the West are extremely unlikely and come from a very small minority of extremists. I actually see a much bigger threat to the western and global civilization as a result of the unscientific and religious culture of Evangelicals which makes them reluctant to accept that human behavior can threaten our life on earth because they do not believe in science and because their premise is that only God will make such life-threatening decisions.

My final sentence was to see how you can explain a fear against Muslims based on some rare events of violence coming from Muslim extremism while you do not seem concerned about more likely events of crime coming from other demographic groups. To use your expression, "thanks to the long patient and sometimes dangerous work of many people" over the last 70 years, right wing ideology was "defanged." This seems to change! I see an attempt from extreme right wing media to create an unreasonable level of fear by playing 24/7 every case of death and terrorism coming from Islamic terrorists, and a rise of right wing parties in European Parliaments which use a rhetoric which demonizes Muslims in general. I have no problem if an atheist is hostile to the religion of Islam or if a person is against immigration at a time when low-cost labor from poor immigrants affect his income. I have a problem with the attempt to make a case against immigration by depicting a whole demographic group of Muslim believers as potential terrorist suspects who threaten our safety when in fact it is wayyyyyyy more likely that we may become victims of regular crime by our non-Muslim male peers.
 
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