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Jussie Smollett arrested and faces a felony charge for allegedly filing false police report

MrWonka said:
There was really nothing to look at more carefully here. The evidence suggested that he was in fact assaulted. The police operated under that assumption as well as they proceeded with the investigation. Until they had a reason to conclude Smollett was lying they gave him the benefit of the doubt and proceeded to look for his assailants based upon the information he gave them. That was the correct course of action.

You can't afford to get irrationally gun shy on these things. Like a Quarterback who threw an interception or a Closer in baseball that blew a save. Or maybe, in this case, a more appropriate analogy would be a referee that blew a whistle on a player because the defender flopped. You have to call it as you see it as best you can.

Even in this case, Smollett seemed to be motivated by the fact that past instances where he was threatened were not taken seriously.
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I don't think anyone doubted he was attacked, but there were plenty of reasons to doubt his version of events

Those that bought into this HOAX were either acting on some personal partisan bias, or they were just naive and gullible
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't see how it isn't disresepcting hate crime victims. Those people actually faced violence from hate crimes, and many even died because of it. He made up a hoax where he claimed a hate crime was being inflicted upon him. Doing that, knowing he made it all up, shows a great amount of disrespect IMHO.
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I have been a victim of a crime, but not a hate crime. If somebody were to report a hoax based on what I experienced, it wouldn't take it as a personal offense or disrespect towards me or what I went through.

What I went through happened. I don't have time for people attacking me as a victim, or invoking me just to attack somebody possibly lying. It just doesn't change my reality.

I also don't want myself or lynching invoked just to disparage a person, because it's not a real conversation honoring victims.

People who were lynched and terrorized suffered horrificly, and never got justice. What Jussie did, doesn't change any of that. What those people went through, is still as horrific as always, and Jussie will pay a price for his lies. Everybody in society seems to think he should pay.

People need to be accountable for what they do. That goes for Jussie, and people unwilling to believe anybody of a hate crime. People like that will use Jussie as an excuse not to believe, but those people really don't want to believe any victim.

And people like that are worse than people like Jussie in my opinion.
 
apdst said:
Doing so in order to convict them in the court of public opinion with the intent to ruin their lives (like Leftists wanted do to the CHS kids) is un-American and just plain wrong. Anyone who engages in that behavior is an un-American piece of ****.
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that is my main issue with these stories. It honestly doesn't matter if the person is guilty or not. there is enough morale outrage drummed up that it doesn't matter if they are innocent.
the damage is already done and these people are not going to apologize or recant their stuff.
 
SheWolf said:
I have been a victim of a crime, but not a hate crime. If somebody were to report a hoax based on what I experienced, it wouldn't take it as a personal offense or disrespect towards me or what I went through.

What I went through happened. I don't have time for people attacking me as a victim, or invoking me just to attack somebody possibly lying. It just doesn't change my reality.

I also don't want myself or lynching invoked just to disparage a person, because it's not a real conversation honoring victims.

People who were lynched and terrorized suffered horrificly, and never got justice. What Jussie did, doesn't change any of that. What those people went through, is still as horrific as always, and Jussie will pay a price for his lies. Everybody in society seems to think he should pay.

People need to be accountable for what they do. That goes for Jussie, and people unwilling to believe anybody of a hate crime. People like that will use Jussie as an excuse not to believe, but those people really don't want to believe any victim.

And people like that are worse than people like Jussie in my opinion.
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Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I personally find it quite disrespectful to the suffering that actual hate crime vicitms have endured.
 
TheGoverness said:
Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I personally find it quite disrespectful to the suffering that actual hate crime vicitms have endured.
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The same thing goes for any false claim of attack. it makes it more difficult for the next person to be believed.
it all goes back to the story of the boy that cried wolf.

you get so many cry wolves and people quit believing even if the person does have a real case.
this is only made worse by the constant moral outrage that pours out and the unrelenting attacks by
public opinion.
 
apdst said:
He'll have his day in court. If and when he's convicted (I'm expecting a plea deal that involves no jail time) **** him. This piece of **** could started a riot with his stupid little scheme. It could have cost lives just because this ****ing idiot wasn't getting the special treatment he thought he was entitled to.
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He needs to be treated with same level of unconditional condemnation that his assailisnts would of treated with if his story hsd turned iut to be true.

Good people should br infuriated by how the racebsiters are trying to hyjack the narrative still.

First we were told its Trumps fault for stirring up his racist bigotted knuckle dragging supporters into targeting and committing horrific scts of violence against miniority groups.

Now all they wanna talk about how this is a set back for miniority groups who in yhe future claim victimhood because it will be treated with skepticism. As if all accusations should not already be treated with skeptism.

Lets be clear here, he didnt hurt blacks or gays with what he did. It was an assault on Trump supporters. He advanced the hateful bigotry sterotyping that Trump supporters hate gays and brown people. He promoted the idea thst Trump supporters are targeting those people with acts of violence.

The victims here are Trump supporters. Nobody should let the left weasle out of this. They should demand the lefts complete and utter condemnation of what he did and nothing less.

The fact that they are trying to move on from this without being forced to denounce and condemn with the same level of intolerance they demand when they think the assaliants are from the right on the left should be telling you all something.

I see some good people in this very thread falling for it. It needs to stop. (Appologies your post turned into my springboard on this topic)




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TheGoverness said:
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Good. I hope he gets the book thrown at him. I was pretty skeptical of his story to begin with, as it was pretty fantastical from the start. And I was right to be. This guy is a total piece of ****. You did a serious disservice to all LGBT/POC in this country, by cooking up a hoax hate crime. Trying so hard to be a victim. You've just made it that much harder for people that are actually affected by hate crimes, to come out with them. Hopefully this will stand as a caution for anyone who takes these stories at face-value.
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I have tried to stay away from commenting on this case in general. I, like many others, initially thought it was true. Then as the facts came out, the story unfolded etc etc I began to doubt more and more. At this point in time its obvious that it was a hoax. However I will still give him the benefit of the doubt until a verdict is reached in a court of law. If found guilty then I fully agree with you. I also agree with others that he should be charged commensurate with a hate crime law. IE: his sentencing should be more severe than if it had been a regular non-hate crime false reporting. If we're going to have laws on hate crime, then it should be applied across the board and not just specific things. A hoax hate crime is just as severe imo as a real hate crime. Both do a grave disservice and should not be tolerated AT ALL.
 
SheWolf said:
I have been a victim of a crime, but not a hate crime. If somebody were to report a hoax based on what I experienced, it wouldn't take it as a personal offense or disrespect towards me or what I went through.

What I went through happened. I don't have time for people attacking me as a victim, or invoking me just to attack somebody possibly lying. It just doesn't change my reality.

I also don't want myself or lynching invoked just to disparage a person, because it's not a real conversation honoring victims.

People who were lynched and terrorized suffered horrificly, and never got justice. What Jussie did, doesn't change any of that. What those people went through, is still as horrific as always, and Jussie will pay a price for his lies. Everybody in society seems to think he should pay.

People need to be accountable for what they do. That goes for Jussie, and people unwilling to believe anybody of a hate crime. People like that will use Jussie as an excuse not to believe, but those people really don't want to believe any victim.

And people like that are worse than people like Jussie in my opinion.
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Perhaps I can interpose my thoughts and elaborate on the point that TheGoverness was making, SheWolf.

The reason I would argue that people believe you is that there is a great deal of social capital and a ready reservoir of good will in our society to believe people who claim they are victims of various crimes and abuses. Some people are more likely or less likely to believe certain allegations that are politically convenient or inconvenient (*cough* Justin Fairfax *cough* Brett Kavanaugh *cough*), but be that as it may, that reservoir of good will exists. But when widely-publicized allegations are made and trumpeted for days or weeks on end, but then turn out to be lies and hoaxes, that reservoir of good will begins to drain. When immoral, cynical, self-interested conmen and conwomen take advantage of society, the social capital begins to crumble, and then people are more likely start looking at allegations as political gamesmanship or ploys to generate sympathy or income for the accusers.

You, having been the victim of a crime, may be just as likely to believe people like Jussie Smollett. But because of men and women like Jussie Smollett who drain the good will from the lake, more and more people will be less likely to jump up immediately in outrage, and far slower to believe, because our ability to trust one another has been damaged.
 
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SheWolf said:
I have been a victim of a crime, but not a hate crime. If somebody were to report a hoax based on what I experienced, it wouldn't take it as a personal offense or disrespect towards me or what I went through.

What I went through happened. I don't have time for people attacking me as a victim, or invoking me just to attack somebody possibly lying. It just doesn't change my reality.

I also don't want myself or lynching invoked just to disparage a person, because it's not a real conversation honoring victims.

People who were lynched and terrorized suffered horrificly, and never got justice. What Jussie did, doesn't change any of that. What those people went through, is still as horrific as always, and Jussie will pay a price for his lies. Everybody in society seems to think he should pay.

People need to be accountable for what they do. That goes for Jussie, and people unwilling to believe anybody of a hate crime. People like that will use Jussie as an excuse not to believe, but those people really don't want to believe any victim.

And people like that are worse than people like Jussie in my opinion.
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"People like that" talk is part of the problem. That prejudice is what Smollett counted on to sell his lie.
 
I'm not blaming Smollet so much. He's merely a product of the times. If the media, government and the slobbering masses make a huge deal over race, people are naturally going to take advantage of it. My informal testing of tuning to 89.7 NPR in Boston shows an average of 20 seconds before race is mentioned in some capacity. What good would accusing someone of witchcraft today be? One needs the underlying hysteria first. Accusations of racism are where it's at these days.

This is the free market at work - when you have an overblown race obsessed media, inevitably some factors come in to mitigate that hysteria. Smollet has actually benefited society here.
 
TheGoverness said:
I gave him the benifit of the doubt, too. I gave him a fair shake, even though I had my reservations from the start. Because this story was already pretty over-the-top.
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I think the safe lesson for anyone to take from this story is this: Beware of outrages that check all of the boxes.

Restraint should be proportional to the strength of the knee jerk.
 
Rickeroo said:
I'm not blaming Smollet so much. He's merely a product of the times.
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I am blaming Smollett entirely because this is where the blame lies. Every bit is on him and his individual conscience (or lack of it).
 
TheGoverness said:
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Good. I hope he gets the book thrown at him. I was pretty skeptical of his story to begin with, as it was pretty fantastical from the start. And I was right to be. This guy is a total piece of ****. You did a serious disservice to all LGBT/POC in this country, by cooking up a hoax hate crime. Trying so hard to be a victim. You've just made it that much harder for people that are actually affected by hate crimes, to come out with them. Hopefully this will stand as a caution for anyone who takes these stories at face-value.
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He just ruined his career. What a dumb thing to do.
 
The Dude paid the Nigerians with a check? This is approaching Darwin Award candidacy.
 
Hedgology said:
Apparently, not. Most people never heard of that incident before this case. The letter incident is a potential motive.
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What incident? (If you're referring to the Tylenol poisonings long ago, they're irrelevant.) Everybody has heard of letters containing a suspicious powder, though. It's not the fact that Tylenol turned out to be the substance; it's that there was a powdered substance.
 
I don't really understand why many of these hoaxes that have been perpetrated against the right are actually necessary. It's like they think they have no legitimate case against Trump or the right so they have to make stuff up to attack Trump. If they really believe that Trump and the Republicans are racists, bigots, misogynists, deplorables, et al, then why do they have to make all of these hoaxes?
 
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Moderate Right said:
I don't really understand why many of these hoaxes that have been perpetrated against the right are actually necessary. It's like they think they have no legitimate case against Trump or the right so they have to make stuff up to attack Trump. If they really believe that Trump and the Republicans are racists, bigots, misogynists, deplorables, et al, then why do they have to make all of these hoaxes?
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Because there is as much racism and as many racist attacks as the Left claims.
 
nota bene said:
I am blaming Smollett entirely because this is where the blame lies. Every bit is on him and his individual conscience (or lack of it).
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Smollet's accusation, and far more importantly it's glorification in the press, needed a foundation. That foundation is decades of ever-increasing race hysteria, where everything is looked at through a racial lens. Media and government racialize anything and everything. Over time, the masses have become accustomed to this, and even expect it.

"Witchcraft" in 1692 was a huge deal, much like racism is today. Everyone squawked about it 24/7. Accusing someone of witchcraft got you tons and tons of attention. Let's imagine Esther falsely accused Hannah of witchcraft in 1692. What I'm saying is Esther needed the pre-existing hysteria - the willingness of the people, to buy into what she was trying to sell. Esther is just one person doing a bad thing - the real issue was that everyone else participated in the hysteria.

The next time you're exposed to racial or "orientation" like terms (which will be multiple times in a day), just replace them with the word witchcraft, and you'll see how the baseline identity hysteria is maintained. This in turn allows Esther and Smollet to flourish.

The maintainers of hysteria are worse than Esther or Smollet, in my view. We need to start disengaging from race and identity as a society.
 
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Fenton said:
I don't think anyone doubted he was attacked, but there were plenty of reasons to doubt his version of events

Those that bought into this HOAX were either acting on some personal partisan bias, or they were just naive and gullible
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My guess would be the former.
Precisely, why leftist politicians Pelosi, Harris, Booker, Schiff. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and leftist political operatives like (both the media and Hollywood) Brooke Baldwin and Emma Watson jump on the victim bandwagon so quickly. They want it to be true.
 
TheGoverness said:
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Good. I hope he gets the book thrown at him. I was pretty skeptical of his story to begin with, as it was pretty fantastical from the start. And I was right to be. This guy is a total piece of ****. You did a serious disservice to all LGBT/POC in this country, by cooking up a hoax hate crime. Trying so hard to be a victim. You've just made it that much harder for people that are actually affected by hate crimes, to come out with them. Hopefully this will stand as a caution for anyone who takes these stories at face-value.
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Thanks a lot, Jussie. You just gave every wingnut racist in the country a Get Out Of Jail Free card for race-baiting. Stupid asshole.
 
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