Trump 'fear-mongering' fuels rise of U.S. hate groups to record: watchdog

Oborosen said:

Cute and somewhat annoying that you keep trying this Vern.

Still not working. But go ahead and keep trying. But seeing as you like branding whole groups because of what one person says, or does. I'm going to play by your rules and find a man who was a fervent liberal on social media. Seeing if he was tried and convicted as a sex offender and "by your rules" that automatically makes you a sex offender.

Thanks for playing.

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Poor Obo, my rules are to post honest and intelligent posts and to make clear straightforward points. If you played by my rules you’d never post again. Case in point, I responded to your dishonest narrative that you “were trying to catch people not reading your link”. I proved that you didn’t read your link. You cant respond to that honestly so magic presto, you create another dishonest narrative.

Your latest dishonest “narrative” is to try to pretend a “pastor” who spews hate in his “sermons” doesn’t represent the “church”. Well Obo, this is better than you spewing ridiculous lies about the SPLC and posting links as if they prove your point when they actually disprove your falsehoods. Its even better than your “ I demand you drive to my trailer and show me where in my link it says the “pastor” wants to prosecute gay people”. Its even better than your hilarious “I searched internet and found nothing” narrative. So instead of being blatantly dishonest, you’re just being dishonest. You just don’t get to separate the “pastor” and his “sermons” from his “church”.

Oborosen said:

So no, it's still about the pastor... great. Give me a ****ing break.

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And Obo, what does your new “narrative” say about your original " they're picking on Christians" narrative? Your "wah wah the pastor and his sermons don't represent the church" narrative is just you admitting they should have been on the SPLC hate map.

Oborosen said:

Still unable to even link a quote I see.

I'm not chasing you this time Vern. Go play by yourself for all I care.

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what proves this is just dishonest and cowardly is I asked you to explain exactly what you want me to post from your link. I get it though O, you've posted the most asinine claims that you haven't even attempted so you're looking for any diversion. Cowardly and dishonestly deflecting is just what conservatives do. Again, the one example where you tried to show "SPLC picks on Christians" blew up in your face.

Vern said:

Oh look, the mean ole SPLC picks on Christians who only support traditional family units. Well if you actually read your second link in your second post, you’d see the ‘church’ in that article that thinks it’s been unfairly labeled a hate group thinks “gays who flaunt their sexuality should be prosecuted”. That meets the SPLC’s definition of a hate group. Its a pretty simple definition.

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Vern said:

what proves this is just dishonest and cowardly is I asked you to explain exactly what you want me to post from your link. I get it though O, you've posted the most asinine claims that you haven't even attempted so you're looking for any diversion. Cowardly and dishonestly deflecting is just what conservatives do. Again, the one example where you tried to show "SPLC picks on Christians" blew up in your face.

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Kudos for all of your responses.

MauiMan said:

Reuter’s:

“The number of hate groups operating in the United States rose 7 percent to an all-time high last year, the Southern Poverty Law Center said on Wednesday, attributing the increase largely to anti-immigrant rhetoric from President Donald Trump.”

“The words and imagery coming out of the Trump administration and from Trump himself are heightening these fears,” Heidi Beirich, director of the SPLC’s Intelligence Project, told reporters on a conference call. “These images of foreign scary invaders threatening diseases, massive refugee caravans coming from the south. This is fear-mongering.”

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Well, Im glad their honest. They believe that showing ACTUAL IMAGES or what is going on at the border is fearmongering that must be avoided. I disagree

Rickeroo said:

Many thanks. I was able to use that information to get the yearly percentage changes in the number of hate groups:

Year / # groups / % change from previous

1999 457 n/a clinton
2000 602 31.7% clinton
2001 676 12.3% bush
2002 708 4.7% bush
2003 751 6.1% bush
2004 762 1.5% bush
2005 803 5.4% bush
2006 844 5.1% bush
2007 888 5.2% bush
2008 926 4.3% bush
2009 932 0.6% obama
2010 1002 7.5% obama
2011 1018 1.6% obama
2012 1007 -1.1% obama
2013 939 -6.8% obama
2014 784 -16.5% obama
2015 892 13.8% obama
2016 917 2.8% obama
2017 954 4.0% trump
2018 1020 6.9% trump

In the spirit of the SPLC article, we can conclude that Clinton encouraged hate groups the most in his final year. We can conclude that white people figured out in 2014 that they didn't hate Obama as much as they thought they did, but corrected for this in 2015.

The average yearly hate group gain since 2000 is 4.7%, Trump is at 5.5%, Bush was 5.6%. Obama's yearly average was 0.2%, so it appears white people didn't really get mad that a black guy was in office and form more hate groups. They need a white guy in office to tell them to hate black people. This is odd, because so far Bush did a better job of increasing hate groups than Trump.

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The only type groups that the SPLC points out as increasing under Trump are the Black Nationalist groups. Same groups that were temporarily appeased with an Obama administration. Silly to attribute the rise of Black Nationalist groups to Trumps rhetoric regarding illegal immigrants at the Mexican border. And suspect the rise in black nationalists corresponds with the rise of the Black Lives matter movement.

dixon01767 said:

The only type groups that the SPLC points out as increasing under Trump are the Black Nationalist groups. Same groups that were temporarily appeased with an Obama administration. Silly to attribute the rise of Black Nationalist groups to Trumps rhetoric regarding illegal immigrants at the Mexican border. And suspect the rise in black nationalists corresponds with the rise of the Black Lives matter movement.

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Analysis from the article:

“The last surge in new hate groups came in the early years of Barack Obama’s presidency, a reaction to the first black U.S. president, the group said. The number rose 9 percent during the first three years of Obama’s administration to reach the prior record then dropped until 2015.”

“The number of groups has risen 30 percent since 2015 when Trump declared his presidential candidacy.”

dixon01767 said:

The only type groups that the SPLC points out as increasing under Trump are the Black Nationalist groups. Same groups that were temporarily appeased with an Obama administration. Silly to attribute the rise of Black Nationalist groups to Trumps rhetoric regarding illegal immigrants at the Mexican border. And suspect the rise in black nationalists corresponds with the rise of the Black Lives matter movement.

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Once again you show that you only read what you already KNOW to be true.

Not surprisingly, the number of white nationalist groups, those particularly electrified by Trump’s presidency, surged by almost 50 percent – from 100 groups to 148 – in 2018.

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The SPLC does list various hate groups that are focused on black nationalism. The one point that I haven't been able to find for either white or black hate groups is total membship numbers.

But in an equal yet opposite reaction, black nationalist groups also expanded their ranks, growing from 233 chapters in 2017 to 264 in 2018. These groups are typically antisemitic, anti-LGBT and anti-white. Unlike white nationalist groups, however, they have virtually no supporters or influence in mainstream politics, much less in the White House.
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“Hate has frayed the social fabric of our country,” said SPLC President Richard Cohen. “Knitting it back together will take the efforts of all segments of our society – our families, our schools, our houses of worship, our civic organizations and the business community. Most of all, it will take leadership – political leadership – that inspires our country to live up to its highest values.”

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MauiMan said:

Analysis from the article:

“The last surge in new hate groups came in the early years of Barack Obama’s presidency, a reaction to the first black U.S. president, the group said. The number rose 9 percent during the first three years of Obama’s administration to reach the prior record then dropped until 2015.”

“The number of groups has risen 30 percent since 2015 when Trump declared his presidential candidacy.”

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2015 is also the year that Black Lives Matter transformed and expanded into a nationwide chapter of 30 offices and entered politics. Might explain the increase showing up in the ranks of Black Nationalist groups. And any group with "black" in the name, probably given every benefit of the doubt the SPLC can imagine before they begrudgingly admit a black group is a hate group.

Somerville said:

Once again you show that you only read what you already KNOW to be true.
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No I read the Reuters article that is the topic of discussion of the thread.

Vern said:

what proves this is just dishonest and cowardly is I asked you to explain exactly what you want me to post from your link. I get it though O, you've posted the most asinine claims that you haven't even attempted so you're looking for any diversion. Cowardly and dishonestly deflecting is just what conservatives do. Again, the one example where you tried to show "SPLC picks on Christians" blew up in your face.

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And still unable to link it... yeah. I'm pretty much done with you at this point.