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Justice Department preparing for Mueller report as early as next week

Manafort colluded with the Russians during the campaign. But, collusion is not a crime, so it logically follows that he cannot be charged with that.

First, what did Manafort collude with the Russians to do?

Second, if collusion is not a crime then what's the big deal. Christ all this hoopla over nothing.

Third, all this time and money and appointing Mueller to investigate a non-crime, because that was the main point of Mueller's investigation. Now you tell me the FBI is investigating non-crimes.

So this has been a scam from the left to destroy Trump over a non-crime.

Really!!!!!
 
Do you know everything in the Mueller report?? If you don't how can you claim to know there's no crime??'
But hey no bias on your part, right?

For two years now you liberals have been yelling Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election. You have a ton of evidence to prove Trump is guilty, and so on. Yeah for over 2 yrs you've been preaching Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russians. Mueller has Manafort, no Mueller is going to get Manafort to spill his guts over Trump's collusion. Oh now Mueller has Flint he surly is going to roll over and kill Trump. And on and on and on it goes.

For over 2 yrs you've been yelling we have the proof, we have evidence, a ton of evidence. So you've been yelling for 2 yrs Trump was guilty. But hey no bias on your part, right?
 
I already told you that collusion is not a crime. Indictment opens the door to investigation.

What cause did Mueller have of a crime that Manafort commited to open an indictment?
 
Yes, I keep pumping facts. I explained how indictments work in my other post. You can read it there.

Got it you can't show what Mueller had for CAUSE of a crime on Manafort to indictment him.
 
Big question. How much are we going to see? With Barr acting as a filter I have my doubts we're going to know the whole truth any time soon.

Narrator: Here we see the young conspiracy theory emerging from its chrysalis.
 
You can't even imagine how utterly moronic is that statement. You might as well have asked if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

First, You can't even imagine how utterly moronic is that statement. And do you know why your statement is so moronic, is because you never explained why my comment was utterly moronic. All you did was flap your lips to make yourself feel good.

If you want to criticize someone, the very least and I mean the very least you can do is explain why. Not just go around flapping your lips that make you look like a fool
 
What cause did Mueller have of a crime that Manafort commited to open an indictment?


In the beginning, when Manafort's name was first mentioned in connection with the Mueller investigation, some news media were reporting that Manafort had been on the FBI's radar for almost 10 years for money laundering. However, nothing was done during all that time. The media also stopped reporting that piece of info.

Which leads me to believe that the FBI is still working the way it was intended to when first "created" a little over 100 years ago: amass info on wealthy and powerful people but don't use it until a "political reason" calls for it.
 
Big question. How much are we going to see? With Barr acting as a filter I have my doubts we're going to know the whole truth any time soon.

No, we won't...Congress will have to fight tooth and nail to reveal it to the public who paid for it.
 
No, we won't...Congress will have to fight tooth and nail to reveal it to the public who paid for it.

On the bright side there is going to be immense pressure for every single bit of it that can possibly be released. The weaker the summary is the stronger the case for Republican obstruction in 2020 and beyond.
 
Waiting for final Mueller report? It may be short on detail

WASHINGTON (AP) — Robert Mueller's Russia investigation has to end with a report. But anyone looking for a grand narrative...

Waiting for final Mueller report? It may be short on detail

“Trump, as the leader of the executive branch, could direct the Justice Department to defy the subpoena, setting the stage for a court fight that would almost certainly go to the Supreme Court.” — AP
 
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you. How would the RNC have that information during the campaign? I guess I don’t understand what exactly you are arguing.

Sorry I know it may sound confusing.

1) The DNC & RNC as well as the FBI had probes and accusations prior to the 2016 elections Already
2) The same above AFTER the elections were still probing Trump
3) CURRENT date, Lets just say since 2015 TRUMP has been under some RADAR of Intelligence as well as law enforcement.

I cant imagine the RNC or and Republican Support of Trump. IF TRUE is NOT aware of TRUMP being a Foreign agent of Russia. With that if there was FACTUAL evidence. for 4 years now. These Republicans as we know NO democrat supports TRUMP period. IF in fact there is factual evidence...WHY would the RNC or republicans SUPPORT trump. IT would be in the nations best Interest to REMOVE TRUMP Period. At that point it has NO political leaning is national security.

4 years of background time to find anything. But Mueller's report wont be a bombshell It wont indicate collusion it will indicate financial crimes and other NON Russia related crimes.

Russian Collussion is a "Witch Hunt" YES RUSSIA themselves acted. I do NOT Think Trump coherently participated, agreed or paid any Russians.

Trump is a scumbag, banged pornstarts. Has bad financial deals. BUT to think that the RNC as a powerful political organization as well as ALL sitting Republicans that support trump they would then be colluding and helping Russia, by supporting Trump?

NO?
 
In the beginning, when Manafort's name was first mentioned in connection with the Mueller investigation, some news media were reporting that Manafort had been on the FBI's radar for almost 10 years for money laundering. However, nothing was done during all that time. The media also stopped reporting that piece of info.

Which leads me to believe that the FBI is still working the way it was intended to when first "created" a little over 100 years ago: amass info on wealthy and powerful people but don't use it until a "political reason" calls for it.

J Edgar Hoover lives on. Critics of Hoover point to the extensive use of illegal investigative techniques including "black bag jobs," illegal break-ins) wiretaps, bugs and illegal mail-openings. Although Hoover often ordered his agents to commit aggressive and sometimes illegal acts against individuals and organizations engaged in legitimate political activities, it was clear to many that some of Hoover's practices must have been, if not condoned, at least allowed by every president he served under. The presidents Hoover served under cannot escape blame.

As a law enforcement agency, the bureau had all the resources needed to eavesdrop and wire tap citizens suspected of breaking federal laws. But those same resources were also used to uncover evidence of immoral behavior by senators and congressmen and were savored by the presidents he served. Although Eisenhower disdained Hoover's methods he made no attempt to curb the awesome power the bureaucrat had accumulated. Nor did Nixon. Roosevelt and Johnson especially appreciated the information Hoover channeled their way, gleefully reading scandal–filled reports of their political enemies' private lives. During his years in the White House President Johnson included in his private conversations references to the private lives of congressmen that could only have come from surveillance.
 


Mueller dug up an old investigation on Manafort for money laundering and tax fraud etc. He had no cause of collusion with Russia in the Trump campaign. Mueller used the old investigation that was not prosecuted years ago which then Mueller used to indict Manfort in hopes that Manafort would roll over on Trump. Mueller got nothing from Manafort on Trump. Further Manafort was never indicted for anything related to the Trump campaign.
 

Benjamin Wittes of Lawfare.org is equally optimistic, and that's fine. But my issue is that they focus on Mueller specifically rather than how the larger system has been corrupted and robbed of public trust. We shouldn't have to interpret goat entrails to determine that the system is operating as it should. We should be able to know that. And of course, we shouldn't have to consider only one possible outcome to trust that the system is unbiased.
 
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Sorry I know it may sound confusing.

1) The DNC & RNC as well as the FBI had probes and accusations prior to the 2016 elections Already
2) The same above AFTER the elections were still probing Trump
3) CURRENT date, Lets just say since 2015 TRUMP has been under some RADAR of Intelligence as well as law enforcement.

I cant imagine the RNC or and Republican Support of Trump. IF TRUE is NOT aware of TRUMP being a Foreign agent of Russia. With that if there was FACTUAL evidence. for 4 years now. These Republicans as we know NO democrat supports TRUMP period. IF in fact there is factual evidence...WHY would the RNC or republicans SUPPORT trump. IT would be in the nations best Interest to REMOVE TRUMP Period. At that point it has NO political leaning is national security.

4 years of background time to find anything. But Mueller's report wont be a bombshell It wont indicate collusion it will indicate financial crimes and other NON Russia related crimes.

Russian Collussion is a "Witch Hunt" YES RUSSIA themselves acted. I do NOT Think Trump coherently participated, agreed or paid any Russians.

Trump is a scumbag, banged pornstarts. Has bad financial deals. BUT to think that the RNC as a powerful political organization as well as ALL sitting Republicans that support trump they would then be colluding and helping Russia, by supporting Trump?

NO?

I see. Ok, thank you for spending the time to elaborate. Yes, Trump’s Russian ties go back to his first visit in Russia with his first wife, Ivana (who speaks fluent Russian, BTW). So, it should have been no secret to anyone. I think the concern came about with the possibility that Russia may have kompromat, which is a standard Russian intelligence technique of extortion. That is one of the ways they enlist agents. As evidence of Trump’s complicity, consider his opinion of Putin and taking Putin’s opinion above his own intelligence agencies. Also, consider one of the most consistent endeavors of Trump (other than the wall): consistently pushing for the lifting of sanctions against Russia.
 
Mueller dug up an old investigation on Manafort for money laundering and tax fraud etc. He had no cause of collusion with Russia in the Trump campaign. Mueller used the old investigation that was not prosecuted years ago which then Mueller used to indict Manfort in hopes that Manafort would roll over on Trump. Mueller got nothing from Manafort on Trump. Further Manafort was never indicted for anything related to the Trump campaign.


Standard law enforcement techniques. What’s your point?
 
Oh that's too easy

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1)NPR Forced to issue a correction after peddling Fake News about Donald Trump Jr
ICYMI: NPR Was Taken To The Woodshed For Peddling Straight Fake News About Donald Trump Jr.

This was an error in reporting that NPR made, and corrected. It was not a slanted article or a lie. Here is the correction:

Cohen's Account Of Russia Talks Raises Questions About Trump Jr. 2017 Testimony : NPR

FYI: TownHall.com is known for slanted and heavily biased reporting.

2) Mueller shoots down BuzzFeed fake news
Mueller's office disputes BuzzFeed report that Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress - CNNPolitics

I remember this one. No other news organization has corroborated their claim, so MSM has not supported Buzzfeed. That being said, special counsel Robert Mueller's office disputed the story as "not accurate", after the news outlet reported the President had directed his personal attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress, for which Cohen was later prosecuted.

We do not yet know if Buzzfeed is lying, but they still stand by their source as far as I know. When the Mueller report comes out, maybe his will be answered.

FYI: Buzzfeed, although technically in MSM, they are heavily biased to the left.

3) CNN forced to retract Fake News story about Anthony Scaramucci's ties to a Russian hedgfund
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.c67823c532b9

“The network’s response to the Scaramucci story, however, was quick, decisive and largely private. CNN’s managers investigated, retracted the report and accepted the journalists’ resignations over a span of roughly 72 hours.”

What this tells me is that CNN has integrity. As soon as they found out the story was bad, they retracted it and fired those responsible. How is that fake news or a lie? If you have a news business, and you find out a lie has been published, you correct it!

4) Three CNN staffer's resigned over Fake News story about Russian investment with ties to Trump Officials
CNN staffer who resigned over retracted Russia story named interim head of CBSNews.com

This is not a lie. It is reporting that one of the journalists fired in #3 above, was hired by CBSNews.com. Is this a lie? I don’t know. However, the New York Post, which reported this is not MSM. Organizations that measure bias rate this organization as “Nonsense damaging to public discourse”. So, not a lie and not MSM.


5) ABC News fires Brian Ross over General Flynn fake news.
ABC News Suspends Brian Ross Over Bad Michael Flynn Report | Deadline

Again, this was another reporting error, which was retracted by the news organization and the journalist fired.

So to summarize:
1) Not a lie—reporting error that was corrected
2) No other MSM has corroborated this report nor supported it—so it is not MSM news until that happens. Just BuzzFeed uncorroborated claim
3) Retracted report, authors fired.
4) Not a lie. Biased source.
5) Retracted report, author fired.

This was a nice try, but can you give me anything better? These didn’t prove that MSM lies. Please give me articles from reliable, low bias organizations where they stand behind the lie, not errors that were retracted and someone fired.
 
I see. Ok, thank you for spending the time to elaborate. Yes, Trump’s Russian ties go back to his first visit in Russia with his first wife, Ivana (who speaks fluent Russian, BTW). So, it should have been no secret to anyone. I think the concern came about with the possibility that Russia may have kompromat, which is a standard Russian intelligence technique of extortion. That is one of the ways they enlist agents. As evidence of Trump’s complicity, consider his opinion of Putin and taking Putin’s opinion above his own intelligence agencies. Also, consider one of the most consistent endeavors of Trump (other than the wall): consistently pushing for the lifting of sanctions against Russia.

Yeah when you consider what those three woman said about Kav's sexual abuse he has to be guilty. Hang that bastard. However those three woman had not one shred of corroboration to support their claim, zip zero. But you believe then without any factual evidence. Now Kav is a SCJ.

Now here is Obama doing everything Putin wanted. Now tell me Obama never colluded with Putin.

Putin told Obamafail to stay out of Crimea and he said yes sir. Stupidity
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT sell arms to Ukrainian and he said yes sir. Stupidity
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT put our missile defense shield in NATO, he again says yes sir. Stupidity
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Obamafail yells out his RED LINE to Syria to never use WMD’s on its people again, Yet Syria walked all over Obamafail’s RED LINE. Putin told Obamafail to stay out and Obamafail says Yes Sir. What a ****ing dumbass coward.
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Obamafail asked Putin of all people to certify that all of Syria’s WMD were taking out of Syria and Putin lied to Obamafail. Stupidity
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Obamafail told Russia that once he is reelected he can be more flexible to what Putin wants. How stupid was that. Obamafail loved Putin and did whatever Putin wanted. Watch the video. Stupidity
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video of Obama telling russia he can be more flexable - Yahoo Video Search Results
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Standard law enforcement techniques. What’s your point?

What's my point, Christ Mueller had zero evidence on Manafort colluding with Russia in Trump's capagaine. Zip Zero. And that was Mueller's original mandate was to investigate Russia/Trump collusion, and to this day does not exist.
 
Yeah when you consider what those three woman said about Kav's sexual abuse he has to be guilty. Hang that bastard. However those three woman had not one shred of corroboration to support their claim, zip zero. But you believe then without any factual evidence. Now Kav is a SCJ.

Now here is Obama doing everything Putin wanted. Now tell me Obama never colluded with Putin.

Putin told Obamafail to stay out of Crimea and he said yes sir. Stupidity
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT sell arms to Ukrainian and he said yes sir. Stupidity
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Putin told Obamafail to NOT put our missile defense shield in NATO, he again says yes sir. Stupidity
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Obamafail yells out his RED LINE to Syria to never use WMD’s on its people again, Yet Syria walked all over Obamafail’s RED LINE. Putin told Obamafail to stay out and Obamafail says Yes Sir. What a ****ing dumbass coward.
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Obamafail asked Putin of all people to certify that all of Syria’s WMD were taking out of Syria and Putin lied to Obamafail. Stupidity
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Obamafail told Russia that once he is reelected he can be more flexible to what Putin wants. How stupid was that. Obamafail loved Putin and did whatever Putin wanted. Watch the video. Stupidity
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video of Obama telling russia he can be more flexable - Yahoo Video Search Results
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It is too bad that Congress did not stop Obama. Did they ignor their oversight responsibilities?
 
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