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Alabama mother begs to return to US, says moving to Syria and marrying ISIS fighters ...

What exactly is the difference between living in an ISIS dominated Syria and living in Alabama? At least in the former, nearly half the electorate won't try to elect a child molester.

You've never heard of the Muslim practice of female castration?
 
Is she still an American?

If not, case closed.

If she is, what are they laws she broke? Prosecute and that's that.

This law:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort

She should be tried and if convicted, executed.
 
Well, he will not be returning if he is gay....or liberal, or conservative, or American, or a westerner, or christian, or jewish, or atheist, or listens to rock music, or likes to smoke or drink or Yazidi, or a free thinker, or a journalist, or a police officer, or will not pray 5 times a day, etc.....I could go on, but I am not sure what the character limit is for this text box.
Oh hey...thats right. He's gay. That makes his comment even that much MORE stupid.....
 
This law:



She should be tried and if convicted, executed.

We have no declared war so treason is not at play. Just like with Trump, it can't be used.

But what bothers me about your post is that you have charged tried and convicted her whereas I respect due process.

That speaks volumes as to character. It is what I would expect of a Trumpist cult member.
 
Is she still an American?

If not, case closed.

If she is, what are they laws she broke? Prosecute and that's that.

We agree.

However, that isn't what she wants. She wants to "come home and resume her life" - obviously WITHOUT being prosecuted for "giving aid to terrorists" (and I'm too damn lazy this morning to go and look up the EXACT wording of the statute, but you can find it under "US Code Terrorism" if you want to).
 
Don’t have much sympathy for her, but I do for the child.

Regardless of the utter stupidity of what she did, she should be allowed back, if she broke any laws should face the music for it and I agree with noonereal, that should be that.

I don’t see why terrorists should be treated any different than any other criminal, surely that’s not an outlandish thought.

It looks like she feel that a "Gosh I was dumb. I'm sorry." should end the whole matter.
 
We agree.

However, that isn't what she wants. She wants to "come home and resume her life" - obviously WITHOUT being prosecuted for "giving aid to terrorists" (and I'm too damn lazy this morning to go and look up the EXACT wording of the statute, but you can find it under "US Code Terrorism" if you want to).

What she "wants" has no relevance.

I want a million dollars. Is anyone considering giving that to me just because that is my want?
 
This girl i likely dumb as dirt yet potentially extremely dangerous given what her "norm" has been for the past few years. Imagine what she has leaned?
 
Hate to be cold but if she was not in a refugee camp would she be pleading she made a mistake?

It reminds me of criminals who once in prison are so remorseful for their crimes and "Bingo" they found Jesus.

My favourite is the story of how the King of Denmark (I believe it was) was making one of his annual tours of Denmark's prisons and constantly being regaled with tales of innocence and miscarriage of justice. Nearing the end or his tour he spotted one inmate sitting silently by himself and approached the inmate. "I suppose that you are innocent like all the others." the King said. "No Your Majesty," was the reply, "I did the crime and was properly sentenced for my own acts.". At hearing that response, the King turned to the Governor of the prison to "Release that man immediately, he is corrupting all of these innocent people.". (And so it was done.)
 
It looks like she feel that a "Gosh I was dumb. I'm sorry." should end the whole matter.

Yeah no, that is delusional of her.

BUT if she is still a citizen than she is entitled to certain rights and protections but with consequences for her actions.

That’s just how I see it.
 
You jumped out of our boat. You don't get to get back in without us having a say so.

**** her, let her rot in her third world hell hole.

Traitor.

As an American citizen, she has the right to return to the United States of America and the American government has the obligation to assist her.

Once her replacement passport has been prepared (and she will have to produce the [reasonably contemporaneous] police report detailing how it was stolen before that process can even be started - just as any other American whose passport had been lost or stolen would), then the American consulate can assist her in arranging transport home (by providing her with a new pair of shoes and telling her in which direction the United States of America lies[?]).
 
Just allow the ISIS mother to slither back to the US in the dead of night and the child will become part of DACA. Mom will be here, too. That's immigration enforcement for ya in the US.

The child would NOT "become part of DACA" if the mother were allowed to bring it into the United States of America as a NON-American.

However, either:

  1. the child falls under Birth Abroad in Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen and an Alien


    A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen and an alien acquires U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth for the period required by the statute in effect when the person was born (INA 301(g), formerly INA 301(a)(7).) For birth on or after November 14, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for five years prior to the person’s birth, at least two of which were after the age of fourteen. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for 10 years prior to the person’s birth, at least five of which were after the age of 14 for the person to acquire U.S. citizenship at birth. The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.
    or
  2. Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:


    A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother and alien father on or before June 11, 2017, may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth.

    In light of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in Sessions v. Morales-Santana, 582 U.S. ___, 137 S.Ct. 1678 (2017), a person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother and alien father on or after June 12, 2017, may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a period of five years, two after the age of fourteen under Section 301(g) of the INA.

If the mother is unable to produce documentary evidence (from a recognized agency with the authority to conduct marriages in Syria) of her marriage, then the latter likely applies.

Generally speaking, for an American citizen to bring a child (that is not an American citizen) into the United States of America the "importing" citizen would have to show an ability to support the "imported" child and would have to provide documentary evidence of financial stability.
 
This law:



She should be tried and if convicted, executed.

How many Americans of German, Italian, or Japanese extraction were tried, convicted, and executed because they served in the German, Italian, or Japanese military during WWII?

Was that number more, or less, than the number of active members of Germany's Nazi party and/or active supporters of the Nazi regime who were welcomed into the United States of America (some with the connivance of the US government and contrary to the laws of the United States of America)?
 
What she "wants" has no relevance.

I want a million dollars. Is anyone considering giving that to me just because that is my want?

I didn't know that you wanted a million dollars.

As soon as I found that out I considered giving you a million dollars.

I decided against it on religious grounds.
 
Yeah no, that is delusional of her.

BUT if she is still a citizen than she is entitled to certain rights and protections but with consequences for her actions.

That’s just how I see it.

You do have to remember that Alabama is the home of the "Democrat-Reporter" so there is SOME possibility that she could be re-integrated into Alabama society.
 
I didn't know that you wanted a million dollars.

As soon as I found that out I considered giving you a million dollars.

I decided against it on religious grounds.

You must be a Trumet!

They always use religion as an excuse to do what best benefits them.
 
How many Americans of German, Italian, or Japanese extraction were tried, convicted, and executed because they served in the German, Italian, or Japanese military during WWII?

Was that number more, or less, than the number of active members of Germany's Nazi party and/or active supporters of the Nazi regime who were welcomed into the United States of America (some with the connivance of the US government and contrary to the laws of the United States of America)?

How are either of those run on sentences relevant?
 
ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Wednesday that an Alabama woman who joined ISIS but now wants to return home with the 18-month-son she had with her ISIS husband will not be admitted back into the United States, saying she is not a U.S. citizen.
“Ms. Hoda Muthana is not a U.S. citizen and will not be admitted into the United States,” Pompeo said in a statement. “She does not have any legal basis, no valid U.S. passport, no right to a passport, nor any visa to travel to the United States. We continue to strongly advise all U.S. citizens not to travel to Syria.”
ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says | Fox News

Actions have consequences. Too harsh or justified?
 
Re: ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says

Feel bad for the kid. I have a hard time seeing him getting a good upbringing. But the woman openly aligned herself with a terrorist organization. I have no sympathy for her.
 
Re: ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says

I certainly don’t think it is too harsh, I just don’t think it is legally accurate. I thought this lady was born in the US. If she was then she can’t be barred from entering the US. Though she can certainly be arrested and charged for her crimes. Now, she could have renounced her citizenship but that requires several steps on her part, to include traveling to a US embassy and filling out the appropriate paperwork. A naturalized citizen can lose their citizenship if they falsified their citizenship paperwork or if they join a group like ISIS within 5 years of being naturalized.

So, unless I am missing some information (which I probably am), then Pompeo is wrong in saying she isn’t a citizen. All that said, it doesn’t mean we have to facilitate her travel back to the US. And there is nothing wrong with stating that she will be arrested and charged for her crimes if she shows up at a US point of entry on her own.
 
I'm pretty sure if you denounce America and leave to join ISIS, then you can just go ahead and never return.
 
Re: ISIS wife from Alabama will not be admitted to the US, Pompeo says

I certainly don’t think it is too harsh, I just don’t think it is legally accurate. I thought this lady was born in the US. If she was then she can’t be barred from entering the US. Though she can certainly be arrested and charged for her crimes. Now, she could have renounced her citizenship but that requires several steps on her part, to include traveling to a US embassy and filling out the appropriate paperwork. A naturalized citizen can lose their citizenship if they falsified their citizenship paperwork or if they join a group like ISIS within 5 years of being naturalized.

So, unless I am missing some information (which I probably am), then Pompeo is wrong in saying she isn’t a citizen. All that said, it doesn’t mean we have to facilitate her travel back to the US. And there is nothing wrong with stating that she will be arrested and charged for her crimes if she shows up at a US point of entry on her own.

I dont think they can reject her, she is a US born citizen. So unless she renounced that citizenship, it would be pretty hard to keep her out. Her child on the other hand. Maybe thats why she is not back.
 
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