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Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign, No Longer An Underdog

Obscurity said:
Black folks didn't like him after BLM sabotaged one of his speeches and claimed all lives matter wasn't good enough.

He wins, just like he would have won in 2016.

Sanders carries the MW and PA, which eliminates trumps path to win. If the DNC is smart, they select sanders.
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The DNC isn't "selecting" anyone. That's going to be up to the primary voters.
 
OldFatGuy said:
He's late to the party, much too late.

Sanders is like a bad joke that keeps resurfacing. From one old man to another Bernie, it is time to put dreams to rest. You scare more than half the nation, few could be more decisive than you. You run, Trump wins without campaigning.
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He's the Democrats version of Ron Paul.
 
gunner said:
"Third way" by Clinton? Or are you referring to a mixed economy
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Yup. That third way crap was annoying. Basically it was to usually give fiscal policy wins to the right and try to throw a social policy bone to the left to keep them appeased.
 
yankintx said:
I backed Hilldog last time around, my mistake. This time I will back the best canidate to beat Trump. At this point it looks like Sanders. At least the guy is honest, no skeletons, and can act professional. That alone is a step up from Rump.
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I think we'll find lots of skeletons. It's why the "Bernie would have won!" stuff is so unpersuasive to me. He was never a threat and neither Hillary nor Trump or the RNC gained from trashing him with their oppo files. Hillary wanted his voters, and Trump and the rest loved that he was busy bad mouthing Hillary who they all KNEW would be the nominee.
 
pilot16 said:
Might be just guessing here, but I would suspect those various switches coincided with who was mayor of NY and the local politicians where he was building. He has said he "donated and became friends" with most of the politicians where he had property. So it would also look like he meant it when he needed a various permit or something and he happened to be a member of a certain political party. Trump Inc expanded greatly in those years.
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It is very possible. But Trump may have had grander plans too. He seems to almost always be a member of the party that doesn't hold the presidency. For the most part that is. Under Reagan, Trump was a Democrat. Under Bill Clinton he was a Republican, then a democrat under G.W. Bush and became a Republican under Obama. The years don't match up perfectly, but are close.

He did run for the Reform Party presidential nomination in 2000. Perhaps he had becoming president in the back of his mind all the time. Who knows?

You did have Democratic mayors of NYC from 1954-1993, then Republican mayors from 1994-2013, now a Democratic one.

List of mayors of New York City - Wikipedia

With Trump, anything is possible.
 
People can trash Sanders and lie about him, both the right and left and media, but he is going to smash and nobody can stop him. There are simply too many Americans both left and right who will vote for him. And this time he already has a tremendous amount of name recognition and is the most popular politician in the country. Give him your worst, it won't work.
 
Verax said:
People can trash Sanders and lie about him, both the right and left and media, but he is going to smash and nobody can stop him. There are simply too many Americans both left and right who will vote for him. And this time he already has a tremendous amount of name recognition and is the most popular politician in the country. Give him your worst, it won't work.
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I agree that he would smash Trump in an election or a debate, but does he really have a chance to make it out of a primary that is looking for fresh faces such as Harris and O'Rourke? I mean, granted, the presence of a far larger field than 2016 means he has a smaller percentage to reach to get a majority, but the guy is ooooold... what happens when - say - Sherrod Brown gets in? Or someone like Williamson or O'Rourke takes off? (both insurgents, like Sanders, but without the age issue and 2016 baggage)
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I agree that he would smash Trump in an election or a debate, but does he really have a chance to make it out of a primary that is looking for fresh faces such as Harris and O'Rourke? I mean, granted, the presence of a far larger field than 2016 means he has a smaller percentage to reach to get a majority, but the guy is ooooold... what happens when - say - Sherrod Brown gets in? Or someone like Williamson or O'Rourke takes off? (both insurgents, like Sanders, but without the age issue and 2016 baggage)
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The leaders right now are Biden and Sanders. It is highly questionable whether Biden will even run. If he does he will have to contend with an ever more progressive base which also brings into question his corporate inclinations which are quite taboo in the Democratic party right now. So there is a good chance Sanders will be the de facto leader and it will be up to the other nominees to defeat him, not the other way around.

His age is an issue, one that can easily be answered. If he speaks clearly and coherently, and has the energy to continue running around the country delivering his message, I don't think it matters. I also think there's a good possibility of him running as a one term candidate and handing the party off in 2024. I think that would be highly appropriate given his age and how things can go downhill very fast. So we'll have to watch this and see how he fares. A Warren VP would be an insurance policy.

We'll have to see how it plays out but I'm backing Sanders 100% as of now. If the calculus changes then I'll have to reappraise. His message is just so powerful I think it's foolish not to give him a chance first.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, clearly he has your white privileged vote.
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I'm voting straight ticket for the second time in my life. Never imagined I'd do such a thing. I'll probably vote republican forever after, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
 
Bucky said:
Wait a minute. Are you saying the DNC colluded against Bernie Sanders?

That's quite an accusation. Maybe deserving of some sort of investigation?
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If only there were leaked emails where DNC officials talk to each other and to media figures plotting exactly that. If only there was a court case that ruled that the party can legally rig it's own election.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
If only there were leaked emails where DNC officials talk to each other and to media figures plotting exactly that. If only there was a court case that ruled that the party can legally rig it's own election.
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So you have no problem with Hillary Clinton being fed questions before the debate?
 
GDViking said:
I have thought the same thing about Michael Obama however I have never felt like she is even slightly interested in running.

She didn't want her husband to run to begin with.

I don't know her though, maybe I'm wrong...
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If I were a liberal and I wanted to defeat Donald Trump, I would almost beg her to run because, again, I don't see anyone within the current field that have much of a chance. Bernie probably has a better chance than most. but I don't see where he can actually win today, opposed to 2016. As much as I loathed Barack Obama's policies, I will admit that people liked him and they loved Michelle. They felt as if the Obamas listened to them, understood their hardships, and they thought that they were able to relate to them on a personal level. If I remember correctly, the leadership of the Democrat party and the DNC did not want him (to begin with). They wanted Hillary because, again, the message was "it's her turn", as if it was coronation and not a primary election. Just like 2016, though, she lost on that platform, while Obama set himself up as likable, relatable, and knowledgeable.

Bernie did something similar, but I think Obama did it better. With Michelle, she can use that same formula but have it modified however she sees fit. If she did it exactly the way her husband did it, to the letter, she wouldn't do well. Michelle would need her own identity, while maintaining she is the wife of a former president. To me, all this makes sense. My prediction stands about Trump being re-elected, but let me add something to it so there's a little context. He would win IF Michelle Obama doesn't enter. It would practically be a guarantee. Not that I haven't thought this before about them, but the other candidates feel a little too much like your run in the mill politicians out of Washington D.C. and don't appear genuine (with the exception of Bernie and MAYBE Biden). It's as if they're ONLY after your votes and don't want to actually work for you. In addition, a lot of their focus would probably be focused more on Trump than actual policy, which could go terribly wrong if they did that. Michelle Obama, I think, would be a different story. Now, I am a conservative and I'm not going to say that if she entered she would be the next president. I still think Trump would have the advantage, but she would definitely be the greatest threat in 2020 if she ran. That's just me, and if she did run, she could win everything. But again, we'll see what happens.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I agree that he would smash Trump in an election or a debate, but does he really have a chance to make it out of a primary that is looking for fresh faces such as Harris and O'Rourke? I mean, granted, the presence of a far larger field than 2016 means he has a smaller percentage to reach to get a majority, but the guy is ooooold... what happens when - say - Sherrod Brown gets in? Or someone like Williamson or O'Rourke takes off? (both insurgents, like Sanders, but without the age issue and 2016 baggage)
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All the energy is coming from the progressive base, and the progressive base supports Sanders regardless of age. Harris and O'Rourke aren't even going to be a close second; the latter took money from the oil industry despite running as a 'no-PAC candidate', and Copmala Harris is constantly being shown for the shill that she is.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign, No Longer An Underdog

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I don't care who it is in 2020. Get the Orange Trumpet OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!
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Another clown pops out of the DNC clown car. This time, it's an old Socialist geezer.
 
Khalix said:
Glad he entered. It will show just how crazy the left is.

He has about as much chance as a snowball is he’ll does.

Hope you Dems enjoy another 4 years of Trump. When you put forward people like this you guarantee Trump stays put.
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Trump wouldn't have a hope against Sanders. Not a chance. The two of them side by side on a stage would just highlight what a scummy juvenile buffoon Trump is.
 
Much as I like Bernie Sanders I gotta wonder- isn't there anyone under 70 years old who wants that job?
 
DH Kirkwood said:
All the energy is coming from the progressive base, and the progressive base supports Sanders regardless of age. Harris and O'Rourke aren't even going to be a close second; the latter took money from the oil industry despite running as a 'no-PAC candidate', and Copmala Harris is constantly being shown for the shill that she is.
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When? Recently?

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O’Rourke received $430,000 from individuals working in the oil and gas industry, 75 percent of which he received in the form of a donation over $200. There were 29 large donations from fossil fuel executives, according to Sludge reporter Alex Kotch, a strict no-no if you’re sitting pretty on that list. O’Rourke accepted no money from any PAC throughout the entirety of his campaign.
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Not good, but 1) it wasn't a PAC. and 2) it seems like a one-off since I can't find anything else.

Either way, a vast improvement over the current occupant (and his charisma combined with his objective criticism of both Trump AND Obama still earns him brownie points above other possible establishment/false-dichotomy sycophants like Harris or Biden).
 
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Grand Mal said:
Trump wouldn't have a hope against Sanders. Not a chance. The two of them side by side on a stage would just highlight what a scummy juvenile buffoon Trump is.
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I'm still sore I didn't get to see Trump and Bernie debate. Trump would call him crazy Bernie and say something stupid about "socialism". Bernie would respond by talking about how we need medicare for all and the dignity of a living wage to great applause.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm voting straight ticket for the second time in my life. Never imagined I'd do such a thing. I'll probably vote republican forever after, but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
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Soooo... what attracts you about the Republican 2024 ticket? :roll:
 
I wouldnt put it past Sanders to announce early who his running mate would be. Maybe someone like a Stacy Abrams. He always sets out to be different.
 
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