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Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report

mike2810 said:
Old enough to know the kid has no respect. Yes, the SC ruled that one does not have to say the pledge. That is not what the kid got in trouble for.

Thanks for dodging the question asked.
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Again, it isn't a matter of respect. It is a matter of what is constitutionally allowed and what isn't. The kid sitting and not being part of the pledge. Constitutionally allowed. The teacher escalating the situation to the point where a police officer was called - not constitutionally allowed.

The kid was sitting until escalation by the teacher. That's why the teacher got fired. That's why people sided with the kid, including the school board. Or... Are schools siding with kids a problem for you now?

Go on, let us know why.

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TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report
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A Florida middle school student was arrested earlier this month after allegedly getting into a confrontation with school officials and a law enforcement officer following reports that he refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

The 11-year-old attends the sixth grade at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland. He has been charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without being violent, both misdemeanors. The Feb. 4 incident began when the boy allegedly told his substitute teacher he did not want to stand for the pledge because he viewed the American flag as racist against African-Americans.


In a handwritten statement to Polk County Public Schools, the teacher reported telling the boy, "Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live." She said he then said, "they brought me here," according to Bay News 9.

The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands and called school officials racists, reports said. He has not been identified by the school or police. A Lakeland police spokesperson declined to comment on the matter, The Ledger newspaper reported.

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Strangely enough, if the "adults" hadn't made a big fuss over this incident, there would have been no "disrupting a school function" and thus no need for police involvement and thus no "resisting arrest" - would there?

On the other hand, it IS the duty of "The State" to ensure that all of the children think and behave exactly alike - isn't it?

Well?

Isn't it?

I mean, we can't have conflicting opinions in a free, open, and democratic society - can we?
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I think it's disgusting that a parent would create an environment where their child didn't think he should stand for the pledge of allegiance in school. Thanks Collin Kaepernick. There are so many quality black people who have attained great things in their lives and I bet 99.99% of them didn't get there by taking a knee during the national anthem or refusing to stand for their school's pledge of allegiance. This kid is going to grow up having a sorry ass life and will always think that everyone has it better than him and that white privelage and police brutality will always be staring him in the face and knocking him down. The greats rose up above this and made something out of their lives. Is this kid going to grow up being some black role model who achieved great things? Not likely. More than likely he will have 10 arrests before he is 18 and be shot packing a gun and shoving his finger in the noses and running away from white police officers after being caught stealing or dealing drugs for the eleventh time. His greatest opportunity is being a dead martyr against police brutality and racism. Isn't there a much better life he could have?
 
mike2810 said:
Old enough to know the kid has no respect. Yes, the SC ruled that one does not have to say the pledge. That is not what the kid got in trouble for.

Thanks for dodging the question asked.
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Save me the time of looking over 225 posts and give me the Cliff Note version.
What did the kid do to get in trouble?
 
Moderate Right said:
I think it's disgusting that a parent would create an environment where their child didn't think he should stand for the pledge of allegiance in school. Thanks Collin Kaepernick. There are so many quality black people who have attained great things in their lives and I bet 99.99% of them didn't get there by taking a knee during the national anthem or refusing to stand for their school's pledge of allegiance. This kid is going to grow up having a sorry ass life and will always think that everyone has it better than him and that white privelage and police brutality will always be staring him in the face and knocking him down. The greats rose up above this and made something out of their lives. Is this kid going to grow up being some black role model who achieved great things? Not likely. More than likely he will have 10 arrests before he is 18 and be shot packing a gun and shoving his finger in the noses and running away from white police officers after being caught stealing or dealing drugs for the eleventh time. His greatest opportunity is being a dead martyr against police brutality and racism. Isn't there a much better life he could have?
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...or he grows up to be a lawyer protecting people's constitutional rights; you never know.
 
Barnacle said:
I didn't know calling school officials "racists" has been officially approved.
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In one particular school district in Oregon, a kid can call their teacher a mother****er and not get in trouble for doing so.
It all depends on the school and their student code of conduct; rules and regulations.
 
Hatuey said:
Again, it isn't a matter of respect. It is a matter of what is constitutionally allowed and what isn't. The kid sitting and not being part of the pledge. Constitutionally allowed. The teacher escalating the situation to the point where a police officer was called - not constitutionally allowed.

The kid was sitting until escalation by the teacher. That's why the teacher got fired. That's why people sided with the kid, including the school board. Or... Are schools siding with kids a problem for you now?

Go on, let us know why.
:)

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It is noted you provided no sources to back up what you stated.


"A Florida school district said that a student who refused to take part in the Pledge of Allegiance was arrested for becoming disruptive, not for refusing to participate."
Florida student arrested for disturbance after he refused to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance - CNN

Do you have anything to disprove the above reported statement?
 
trixare4kids said:
Save me the time of looking over 225 posts and give me the Cliff Note version.
What did the kid do to get in trouble?
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"A school administrator and the officer asked the student to leave the class, but the 6th grader refused, Lakeland police said. Lakeland police said the student, who left the classroom, created another disturbance, and made threats as he was escorted to the office.
He was arrested for disrupting a school function and resisting an officer without violence and transported to the Juvenile Assessment Center, police said."s

Florida student arrested for disturbance after he refused to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance - CNN

I can agree that the sub should of handled the situation differently. What many here are doing is making it about the pledge and not the other actions of the student.
 
mike2810 said:
It is noted you provided no sources to back up what you stated.


"A Florida school district said that a student who refused to take part in the Pledge of Allegiance was arrested for becoming disruptive, not for refusing to participate."
Florida student arrested for disturbance after he refused to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance - CNN

Do you have anything to disprove the above reported statement?
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Yes and the disruption occurred when the teacher confronted the student about not performing the pledge of allegiance - which she did not know students did not have to perform.

This is why she was fired:

Florida student, 11, arrested after refusing Pledge of Allegiance

Alvarez no longer works as a substitute in the district, Kennedy said, adding that the teacher did not know students weren't required to participate in the pledge. The district will also review training for substitutes, Kennedy said.*

Mike, I know where you wish this went - but that's as clear as it gets, buddy. The teacher was fired - case closed.

Do you understand the problem with trying to make people perform symbolic gestures yet... Or not?

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Hatuey said:
Yes and the disruption occurred when the teacher confronted the student about not performing the pledge of allegiance - which she did not know students did not have to perform.

This is why she was fired:

Florida student, 11, arrested after refusing Pledge of Allegiance

Alvarez no longer works as a substitute in the district, Kennedy said, adding that the teacher did not know students weren't required to participate in the pledge. The district will also review training for substitutes, Kennedy said.*

Mike, I know where you wish this went - but that's as clear as it gets, buddy. The teacher was fired - case closed.

Do you understand the problem with trying to make people perform symbolic gestures yet... Or not?

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Yes,
Do you understand the growing problem of disrespect for ones country?

Just curious, do you ever stand when the National Anthem is played or ever say the pledge?
 
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mike2810 said:
"A school administrator and the officer asked the student to leave the class, but the 6th grader refused, Lakeland police said. Lakeland police said the student, who left the classroom, created another disturbance, and made threats as he was escorted to the office.
He was arrested for disrupting a school function and resisting an officer without violence and transported to the Juvenile Assessment Center, police said."s

Florida student arrested for disturbance after he refused to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance - CNN

I can agree that the sub should of handled the situation differently. What many here are doing is making it about the pledge and not the other actions of the student.
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Yeah, I've read some and I totally see that.
Everything depends on the code of conduct in place for students in this particular district.
He has a right not to say the pledge but bottom line is that he doesn't have the right to break school rules. If he is supposed to stand and remain silent while others choose to recite the pledge and he refuses that's on him.
Thanks for catching me up.
 
trixare4kids said:
Yeah, I've read some and I totally see that.
Everything depends on the code of conduct in place for students in this particular district.
He has a right not to say the pledge but bottom line is that he doesn't have the right to break school rules. If he is supposed to stand and remain silent while others choose to recite the pledge and he refuses that's on him.
Thanks for catching me up.
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This is not directed at you. It is added as merely a discussion point.
Let's play a what if: Know fact... the sub did not know that students do not have to participate in the pledge. So what if the student politely informed the sub of the rule and just sat their quietly and respectfully instead of making the comment that the flag/pledge is racist. If the sub called the campus cop and administrator to the room and the student was still acting with respect instead of refusing to leave the class room. What do you believe the results would have been?
 
mike2810 said:
Yes,
Do you understand the growing problem of disrespect for ones country?

Just curious, do you ever stand when the National Anthem is played or ever say the pledge?
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Not engaging in an activity you are not legally obliged to engage in is not disrespecting a person's country.

Are you going to start sniffing out Jehovah's Witnesses at school, Mike? Go knock door to door to check if every JW with school aged children has pledged allegiance or else you'll come on a forum and say really meany things?

Lol. You don't know enough history to understand why this law protecting the student exists, do you Mike?

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mike2810 said:
This is not directed at you. It is added as merely a discussion point.
Let's play a what if: Know fact... the sub did not know that students do not have to participate in the pledge. So what if the student politely informed the sub of the rule and just sat their quietly and respectfully instead of making the comment that the flag/pledge is racist. If the sub called the campus cop and administrator to the room and the student was still acting with respect instead of refusing to leave the class room. What do you believe the results would have been?
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As an employee of the district, she should have been informed that he didn't have to say the pledge. Was she informed? Who is to say..
Like many kids that age, they will take advantage of a sub. He should have just sat there and kept his mouth shut during the pledge.
Now to address your hypothetical, She didn't know through no fault of her own that he did not have to say the pledge...A nice kid would have informed her politely, Again, he choose to act like a jerk instead and imo, if he was helpful, she'd still have her job as a sub. Disappointed the school bureaucrats caved to parental pressure and threw her under the bus,
 
Walking away said:
God help the country if everyone didn't love it enough to pledge allegiance to it.
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part of the love of country is not being obligated to make a pledge to it
 
trixare4kids said:
Save me the time of looking over 225 posts and give me the Cliff Note version.
What did the kid do to get in trouble?
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he was sitting while black
 
Hatuey said:
Again, it isn't a matter of respect. It is a matter of what is constitutionally allowed and what isn't. The kid sitting and not being part of the pledge. Constitutionally allowed. The teacher escalating the situation to the point where a police officer was called - not constitutionally allowed.

The kid was sitting until escalation by the teacher.
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"Escalating the situation" isn't a violation of the constitution. And where did you read that the kid was just sitting there. The article says

"incident began when the boy allegedly told his substitute teacher he did not want to stand for the pledge because he viewed the American flag as racist against African-Americans."

I suspect the substitute probably said "lets all stand for the pledge of allegiance" and that prompted the kid to reply that he wouldn't stand for the pledge because he viewed "the American flag as racist against African-Americans." and that's probably a cleaned up and abbreviated version of what he said from the kid reported to the police
 
dixon01767 said:
"Escalating the situation" isn't a violation of the constitution. And where did you read that the kid was just sitting there. The article says

"incident began when the boy allegedly told his substitute teacher he did not want to stand for the pledge because he viewed the American flag as racist against African-Americans."

I suspect the substitute probably said "lets all stand for the pledge of allegiance" and that prompted the kid to reply that he wouldn't stand for the pledge because he viewed "the American flag as racist against African-Americans." and that's probably a cleaned up and abbreviated version of what he said from the kid reported to the police
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We know the teacher approached the student on the matter. The teacher is now fired for not understanding what is legal precedent and should be an important thing to remember moving forward.

What is she going to do? Sue for her right to force someone to say the pledge? I hope she finds employment somewhere else and learns from this lesson.

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Hatuey said:
We know the teacher approached the student on the matter.
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She verbally responded to him. You imagined that part about an approach


Hatuey said:
The teacher is now fired for not understanding what is legal precedent and should be an important thing to remember moving forward.
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You imagined that part. I suspect she was fired for her smart ass suggestion that he could move somewhere else.
 
dixon01767 said:
She verbally responded to him. You imagined that part about an approach
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Unless the teacher was yelling about this from the other side of the room, she needs to approach him for their initial conversation to take place.

You imagined that part. I suspect she was fired for her smart ass suggestion that he could move somewhere else.
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You imagined that part.




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TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report
​

A Florida middle school student was arrested earlier this month after allegedly getting into a confrontation with school officials and a law enforcement officer following reports that he refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

The 11-year-old attends the sixth grade at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland. He has been charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without being violent, both misdemeanors. The Feb. 4 incident began when the boy allegedly told his substitute teacher he did not want to stand for the pledge because he viewed the American flag as racist against African-Americans.


In a handwritten statement to Polk County Public Schools, the teacher reported telling the boy, "Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live." She said he then said, "they brought me here," according to Bay News 9.

The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands and called school officials racists, reports said. He has not been identified by the school or police. A Lakeland police spokesperson declined to comment on the matter, The Ledger newspaper reported.

COMMENT:-

Strangely enough, if the "adults" hadn't made a big fuss over this incident, there would have been no "disrupting a school function" and thus no need for police involvement and thus no "resisting arrest" - would there?

On the other hand, it IS the duty of "The State" to ensure that all of the children think and behave exactly alike - isn't it?

Well?

Isn't it?

I mean, we can't have conflicting opinions in a free, open, and democratic society - can we?
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far too many kids today are being taught by their parents to rebel against authority. I suspect that is why Michael Brown ended up dead, for being badly trained at home and not taught to respect authority.
 
The Mark said:
I don't think the responsibility lies solely on the officer, after all someone had to request their aid for something so unworthy of their time.
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The adults in the room escalated the whole thing, beginning with the substitute teacher not realizing what school policy was regarding the pledge of allegiance and as a result she mistakenly tried to punish the student.

It appears, instead of moving to calm the situation down, the adults in the room came at the kid, making him no doubt feel cornered, and thus more agitated.

All that mess because that ill-informed substitute teacher insisted on wishing to force that student to make a false oath.
 
Buzz62 said:
The flag is racist?
Who teaches kids this crap?
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According to reporting I have read regarding statements from the family the kid never said the American Flag was racist.

If some of the reporting I have read is correct it appears that the term "racist" was not used by the student but was perhaps the interpretation made, by the substitute teacher, of what the student actually did say.

But for the record it is definitely arguable that our Stars and Stripes are the colors that for far too long flew above and in the vanguard of a slave nation.
 
Hatuey said:
You imagined that part.
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Yes I did. Thus the preface "I suspect". In contrast to you who declares what you have imagined to be the facts.
 
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