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Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report

Fledermaus said:
Why do you feel the need to ignore what I say and instead imagine something very different?

I stated the child should not have to recite the pledge... But I believe he should have shown what used to be common courtesy....

I used placed where I showed respect to others as examples. Not a "comparison".

But, hey, twist it whatever way floats your boat.
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Going to church and performing symbolic activities is not a common courtesy. It is a choice you made all on your own. Unlike attendance to school - which is compulsory. You doing what you feel is up to you - people not performing symbolic activities has been protected by the government for nearly 80 years.

Which century did you use to have the common courtesy to tell kids at school what actions they must perform or face arrest?

Go for it, give us the old back in your day spiel.



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Hatuey said:
Going to church and performing symbolic activities is not a common courtesy. It is a choice you made all on your own. Unlike attendance to school - which is compulsory. You doing what you feel is up to you - people not performing symbolic activities has been protected by the government for nearly 80 years.

Which century did you use to have the common courtesy to tell kids at school what actions they must perform or face arrest?

Go for it, give us the old back in your day spiel.



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It is if you are not a member of that religion... I have visited Catholic, Shinto, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim mosques, temples and religious sites. I am not a member of any given religion. But I kneeled when asked. Shed my shoes when asked. Bowed when people bowed. Etc.

Common ****ing courtesy.

Too hard to ken?

And when did I state someone should go to jail?

Oh, that's right. Making **** up again....
 
mike2810 said:
Interesting view on freedom of speech, "officially approved". Are you ok with someone yelling "Fire" in a crowed movie theater when there is no fire? Or yelling "this is a hijack" on a airplane? Does having laws stating it is illegal to do so take away from a persons freedom of speech?
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He is free to speak or not. Right?
 
Integrityrespec said:
Sure is remarkable how some expect this country to provide them with so many things but then get upset when people expect to see them honor what the country does for them by pledging the flag, which is the symbol of those right, privileges and benefits. Gimme, Gimme, Gimme and expect nothing in return.
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i missed the information telling us this student was the beneficiary of unusual government largesse
would you please identify the unique government provisions given to this student who refused to stand and repeat the pledge of allegiance despite that you believe he is obligated to make the recitation
 
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JANFU said:
He is free to speak or not. Right?
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You didn't answer my questions.
I was responding to TU's statement of "Everyone has 100% total and complete freedom to say whatever is officially approved."

A person can say or not say anything they want. They should realize that their actions may have consequences.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report
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A Florida middle school student was arrested earlier this month after allegedly getting into a confrontation with school officials and a law enforcement officer following reports that he refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

The 11-year-old attends the sixth grade at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland. He has been charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without being violent, both misdemeanors. The Feb. 4 incident began when the boy allegedly told his substitute teacher he did not want to stand for the pledge because he viewed the American flag as racist against African-Americans.


In a handwritten statement to Polk County Public Schools, the teacher reported telling the boy, "Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live." She said he then said, "they brought me here," according to Bay News 9.

The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands and called school officials racists, reports said. He has not been identified by the school or police. A Lakeland police spokesperson declined to comment on the matter, The Ledger newspaper reported.

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Strangely enough, if the "adults" hadn't made a big fuss over this incident, there would have been no "disrupting a school function" and thus no need for police involvement and thus no "resisting arrest" - would there?

On the other hand, it IS the duty of "The State" to ensure that all of the children think and behave exactly alike - isn't it?

Well?

Isn't it?

I mean, we can't have conflicting opinions in a free, open, and democratic society - can we?
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The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands.

 That explains it. Blame his parents. It is one thing to refuse to recite the pledge, but another thing to become disruptive, ranting of his victimhood his parents embedded into him. He's another black child really messed up by the incessant race-baiting by the leftwing to do everything possible to try to convince blacks they never will and never should integrate into mainstream society.
 
mike2810 said:
You didn't answer my questions.
I was responding to TU's statement of "Everyone has 100% total and complete freedom to say whatever is officially approved."

A person can say or not say anything they want. They should realize that their actions may have consequences.
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Government mandated speech. Is that free speech?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From FOX News

Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report
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A Florida middle school student was arrested earlier this month after allegedly getting into a confrontation with school officials and a law enforcement officer following reports that he refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

The 11-year-old attends the sixth grade at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland. He has been charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without being violent, both misdemeanors. The Feb. 4 incident began when the boy allegedly told his substitute teacher he did not want to stand for the pledge because he viewed the American flag as racist against African-Americans.


In a handwritten statement to Polk County Public Schools, the teacher reported telling the boy, "Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live." She said he then said, "they brought me here," according to Bay News 9.

The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands and called school officials racists, reports said. He has not been identified by the school or police. A Lakeland police spokesperson declined to comment on the matter, The Ledger newspaper reported.

COMMENT:-

Strangely enough, if the "adults" hadn't made a big fuss over this incident, there would have been no "disrupting a school function" and thus no need for police involvement and thus no "resisting arrest" - would there?

On the other hand, it IS the duty of "The State" to ensure that all of the children think and behave exactly alike - isn't it?

Well?

Isn't it?

I mean, we can't have conflicting opinions in a free, open, and democratic society - can we?
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I hate lying misleading titles like this headline... he was not arrested for failing to say the Pledge... he was arrested for disrupting a school function and resisting arrest. :roll:
 
Fledermaus said:
It is if you are not a member of that religion......
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And this is clearly not what this is about - it is about a state funded school, not a religious building - so your story becomes irrelevant. This is actually so because religious denominations have argued that they cannot be compelled to perform symbolic gestures. How is it common courtesy to say people should ignore this fact, and just do it when the specific government law makes it clear that they do not have to.

Why do you insist in comparing this situations to what you choose to do in a church you could have ignored if you wanted to?

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PoS said:
Heck when I was in school, we'd just mumble the words mostly. One other kid I knew in junior high would change the words each and every time...
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We said it with pride and beat the **** outa anybody that did not stand, hand over heart with tears in their eyes and honor in their heart, reciting, the solemn beautiful Pledge of Allegiance.
 
year2late said:
I was thinking this was a call mommy moment, not police material.
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Alternatively, it could well have been a "Class, Bob has an objection to reciting the Pledge, let's find out what it is, and why he has it. Once we know that, let's discuss whether Bob SHOULD be required to recite it if he has a personal objection to doing so - REGARDLESS of what we, personally, think about his personal objection." moment.

Kids are a lot smarter than most adults give them credit for (lacking information they may well be - but that is NOT the same thing as lacking smarts).
 
Bodhisattva said:
We said it with pride and beat the **** outa anybody that did not stand, hand over heart with tears in their eyes and honor in their heart, reciting, the solemn beautiful Pledge of Allegiance.
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.... Proudly admitting to abusing people for exercising their first amendment rights.

Nice, Bodhi... And people wonder why you're not as respected as you feel you should be.

:)

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mike2810 said:
You didn't answer my questions.
I was responding to TU's statement of "Everyone has 100% total and complete freedom to say whatever is officially approved."

A person can say or not say anything they want. They should realize that their actions may have consequences.
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And, if their speech does not qualify as "criminal" then the "consequences" should be what? That the teacher loses it and calls the cops?
 
joko104 said:
The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands.

 That explains it. Blame his parents. It is one thing to refuse to recite the pledge, but another thing to become disruptive, ranting of his victimhood his parents embedded into him. He's another black child really messed up by the incessant race-baiting by the leftwing to do everything possible to try to convince blacks they never will and never should integrate into mainstream society.
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Indeed, "The Rule" in America today is - as it has always been from the time of the American Revolution -


"Do what 'The Authorities' tell you do to, regardless of whether they have the legal right to tell you to do it because if you don't you will be punished and that punishment will be all your own fault because you did not **O*B*E*Y**."
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- right?

BTW, that loud whirring sound you hear is the Founding Fathers turning over in their graves.
 
Hatuey said:
.... Proudly admitting to abusing people for exercising their first amendment rights.

Nice, Bodhi... And people wonder why you're not as respected as you feel you should be.

:)

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I am seriously respected... even by you. That is good.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I hate lying misleading titles like this headline... he was not arrested for failing to say the Pledge... he was arrested for disrupting a school function and resisting arrest. :roll:
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Did you happen to notice that the only cause of the "disruption" was that the boy failed to comply with an order that the teacher had no legal authority to issue and that the only "resisting" was when the boy objected to potential criminal sanctions being place on him for exercising his constitutional right?
 
Barnacle said:
I don't think the reciting was the problem ... he refused to stand when everybody else was told to stand ... "... he did not want to stand for the pledge ..."
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I would posit that refusal to stand is also protected expression.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Did you happen to notice that the only cause of the "disruption" was that the boy failed to comply with an order that the teacher had no legal authority to issue and that the only "resisting" was when the boy objected to potential criminal sanctions being place on him for exercising his constitutional right?
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He was also swearing at teachers and calling them racists in addition to resisting arrest from a police officer. Why are you leaving that out?
 
Bodhisattva said:
We said it with pride and beat the **** outa anybody that did not stand, hand over heart with tears in their eyes and honor in their heart, reciting, the solemn beautiful Pledge of Allegiance.
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And you did so in order to protect their constitutional right NOT to recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" - didn't you?

About 20 years ago, I was "in processing" and part of that process was to pledge allegiance. I objected to doing that on the grounds that I had done that about 30 years previously and was still bound by my word. As I told the processing personnel, if I wasn't still bound by my prior oath, then I sure as hell wasn't going to be bound by any subsequent one. Much hemming and hawing ensued BUT I was allowed to complete the "in processing" WITHOUT the "mandatory" oath.

Now I ask you this, if it is necessary to "pledge allegiance" every single day, how strong is that "pledge"? Is it one that is actually binding or is it mere formalist ritual?

If YOU do not recite the "Pledge of Allegiance" tomorrow, will that mean that you are no longer giving the same allegiance that you gave today?
 
Bodhisattva said:
He was also swearing at teachers and calling them racists in addition to resisting arrest from a police officer. Why are you leaving that out?
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Does one NOT have the right to resist violations of their constitutional rights?

Is all defence of personal rights REQUIRED to be peaceful and quite?

Tommy Paine would disagree with you - wouldn't he?

And so would every single signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America - wouldn't they?

PS - Now if you want to tell me that the boy was an ill-mannered little twerp, I won't disagree with you. But if either [a] being ill mannered, or being a twerp, are sufficient to justify being arrested, then I would guess that around 30% of the population of the United States of America is in danger of arrest at any given time (and that number would rise to close to 100% if "total lifetime behaviour" was considered).
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am seriously respected... even by you. That is good.
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I believe that the difference between you admitting to assaulting people for having different political views and guys who admit to dating teens while in their 20s...is...the amount of violence in the admission.

How much do you think I respect guys who date teens while in their 20s?

:)

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Fledermaus said:
It is if you are not a member of that religion... I have visited Catholic, Shinto, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim mosques, temples and religious sites. I am not a member of any given religion. But I kneeled when asked. Shed my shoes when asked. Bowed when people bowed. Etc.

Common ****ing courtesy.

Too hard to ken?

And when did I state someone should go to jail?

Oh, that's right. Making **** up again....
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FM - how is your experience at churches relevant to the constitutionally protected right to not partake in symbolic activity in a school? We get it - you lived during a time when this right wasn't as protected - it isn't the last 50 years... You know this - so you're trying to word salad your way out of it.

Are you clear that nobody is required to stand up to recite the pledge of allegiance or for that matter take the common sense failed podcast lectures from you, or a teacher?

Come on, say you are so we can all move along.

:)

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Barnacle said:
Very nice, but reciting was not the problem in your opening monologue ... standing was. Teacher told kids to stand ... 11-year old kid refused and declared: "You're a racist.".
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Very interesting choice of words. They suggest that the student said "you're a racist" immediately after the class was told to stand and say the pledge.

Now if the Fox "News" story is completely accurate, which is always a fair question, this is what he actually did:

The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands and called school officials racists, reports said.
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Note the plural of "officials." That's important for context here. Would be interested to know exactly how this escalated from a questionable request to an arrest. (hey, that rhymes!)
 
Phys251 said:
Very interesting choice of words. They suggest that the student said "you're a racist" immediately after the class was told to stand and say the pledge.

Now if the Fox "News" story is completely accurate, which is always a fair question, this is what he actually did:



Note the plural of "officials." That's important for context here. Would be interested to know exactly how this escalated from a questionable request to an arrest. (hey, that rhymes!)
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hope a video of the incident emerges
 
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