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Trump quotes Alan Dershowitz saying consideration of 25th Amendment ‘despicable’

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Trump quotes Alan Dershowitz saying consideration of 25th Amendment ‘despicable’

What Trump said was that using the 25th was that it is.... "unconstitutional powergrabbing"... if he gets to invent the reason.

Investigating a sitting goresident for crimes has happened under practically every administration. I would concede that if every president before Trump has come out as innocent, it's because they are or were pardonned before the investigations got too close...you know, like Nixon. Others I would still have reservations about and believe they are probably guilty, just unproven.

What is more interesting is that both Trump and Dershowitz make serious mistakes in their arguments. Dershowitz invents an interpretation of the 25th accepted by absolutely no one else and Trump unilaterally declares that using an amendment is unconstitutional.

Horrifying.
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Hatuey said:
...Trump unilaterally declares that using an amendment is unconstitutional...
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Oh...my...god...

What is worse is that people will defend him for saying it...
 
Hatuey said:
Trump quotes Alan Dershowitz saying consideration of 25th Amendment ‘despicable’

What Trump said was that using the 25th was that it is unconstitutional powergrabing. What is most interesting is that both Trump and Dershowitz make serious mistakes in their arguments. Dershowitz invents an interpretation of the 25th accepted by absolutely no one else and Trump unilaterally declares that using an amendment is unconstitutional.

Horrifying. ...
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-c...onal-trump-retweets.html?highlight=dershowitz
 
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Yeah, that's ****ing insane and Dershowitz is inventing reasons why an amendment shouldn't be used that don't exist. Projection is a horrible thing when what you wish happened to others is actually happening to you. We are seeing an American president claim that using an amendment on them is unconstitutional because he believes it will circumvent an election. Elections don't grant protection from amendments, guys.

Time to wake up guys.

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Redress said:
Oh...my...god...

What is worse is that people will defend him for saying it...
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Well, that would happen anyways - I really want to see where all of these people go when he is no longer in power. Do they think liberals won't be able to require their defenses of the crazy things they've defended?

2020 gon be lit.

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Hatuey said:
Trump quotes Alan Dershowitz saying consideration of 25th Amendment ‘despicable’

What Trump said was that using the 25th was that it is.... "unconstitutional powergrabbing"... if he gets to invent the reason.

Investigating a sitting goresident for crimes has happened under practically every administration. I would concede that if every president before Trump has come out as innocent, it's because they are or were pardonned before the investigations got too close...you know, like Nixon. Others I would still have reservations about and believe they are probably guilty, just unproven.

What is more interesting is that both Trump and Dershowitz make serious mistakes in their arguments. Dershowitz invents an interpretation of the 25th accepted by absolutely no one else and Trump unilaterally declares that using an amendment is unconstitutional.

Horrifying.
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I fail to see how the 25th amendment can be justified to remove President Trump. It doesn't make any sense.
 
Hatuey said:
Well, that would happen anyways - I really want to see where all of these people go when he is no longer in power. Do they think liberals won't be able to require their defenses of the crazy things they've defended?

2020 gon be lit.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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You know, some people actually care about the Constitution and respecting Democracy. Not some power grab. This is America for goodness sakes. Not Venezuela.
 
What exactly is wrong with what was tweeted?

Let's parse this out shall we?

Trying to use the 25th Amendment to try and circumvent the election...
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Well that part is true, as the purpose of the 25th Amendment is NOT to circumvent an election, but rather to establish and validate the succession in the event of the death or incapacitation of the President, fill Vice-Presidential vacancies by the VP's death or incapacitation, and have the VP take over in the event the President is determined unable to discharge the duties of his office. That usually means serious illness, injury, or clear mental incapacity.

It is not set up to allow a "palace coup" of disgruntled officials who don't like the results of an election.


is a despicable act of unconstitutional power grabbing...
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This also sounds right if the sole purpose is to depose an elected official simply because you disagree with his policies, or have a personal animus, and want someone else in the office instead.

which happens in Third World countries...
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Well this seems historically accurate, at least as far back in the 50's - 70's...although it is not that unusual these days either IMO.
 
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The language is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." A president compromised by a hostile foreign power would certainly fall into that bucket.
 
So they did not like the election results and decided to attempt this? FAIL

Former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe in a new interview reveals fresh details of the investigations into President Trump, telling CBS that there were conversations about the possibility of removing Trump under the 25th Amendment and confirming that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had offered to wear a wire around the president.


Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired Andrew McCabe!

The Justice Department inspector general referred his finding that former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe repeatedly misled investigators to Washington’s top federal prosecutor, who will determine whether McCabe should be charged with a crime, according to people familiar with the matter.

The referral to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia occurred some time ago, after the inspector general concluded McCabe had lied to investigators or his boss, then-FBI Director James B. Comey, on four occasions, three of them under oath.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inspector-general-referred-findings-on-mccabe-to-us-attorney-for-consideration-of-criminal-charges/2018/04/19/a200cabc-43f3-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.29f2657ff64f
 
Bucky said:
I fail to see how the 25th amendment can be justified to remove President Trump. It doesn't make any sense.
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Just let the children vent. Hell this whole Trump/Russia collusion thing has gone down in smoke and all they have now are their little temper tantrums.

Just get them a toy and pick their asses up out of the isle afterwards.
 
Hatuey said:
Trump quotes Alan Dershowitz saying consideration of 25th Amendment ‘despicable’

What Trump said was that using the 25th was that it is.... "unconstitutional powergrabbing"... if he gets to invent the reason.

Investigating a sitting goresident for crimes has happened under practically every administration. I would concede that if every president before Trump has come out as innocent, it's because they are or were pardonned before the investigations got too close...you know, like Nixon. Others I would still have reservations about and believe they are probably guilty, just unproven.

What is more interesting is that both Trump and Dershowitz make serious mistakes in their arguments. Dershowitz invents an interpretation of the 25th accepted by absolutely no one else and Trump unilaterally declares that using an amendment is unconstitutional.

Horrifying.
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Great, another damn troll thread and I thought I'd seen more than enough of those today.

So, can anyone here tell me how the 25th amendment can be used to remove Trump?
 
Bucky said:
You know, some people actually care about the Constitution and respecting Democracy. Not some power grab. This is America for goodness sakes. Not Venezuela.
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Is using a constitutional amendment unconstitutional, Bucky, my boy?

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Bucky said:
I fail to see how the 25th amendment can be justified to remove President Trump. It doesn't make any sense.
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We know Bucky, stay on the bleachers. Nobody is asking you to join the debate team.

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Lol, watching all of Trump's supporters claim the president can make up reasons as to why an amendment is being applied is hilarious.


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Bucky said:
I fail to see how the 25th amendment can be justified to remove President Trump. It doesn't make any sense.
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Let me help you—they think he might be nuts.
 
Hatuey said:
Is using a constitutional amendment unconstitutional, Bucky, my boy?

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I would argue it is, if you're trying to misuse it for a purpose in which it wasn't intended.
 
Oborosen said:
I would argue it is, if you're trying to misuse it for a purpose in which it wasn't intended.
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And you're saying you can read minds? Lol, does the president get to determine whether there is just cause to use the 25th amendment? Double down on those ridiculous reasoning powers of yours.

Come on, we know the silly conclusion you want to reach: Trump gets to determine the constitutionality of investigations and any punishment placed on him.

:)

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Hatuey said:
Yeah, that's ****ing insane and Dershowitz is inventing reasons why an amendment shouldn't be used that don't exist. Projection is a horrible thing when what you wish happened to others is actually happening to you. We are seeing an American president claim that using an amendment on them is unconstitutional because he believes it will circumvent an election. Elections don't grant protection from amendments, guys.

Time to wake up guys.

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Yes it seems they are claiming that a candidate can break any laws he wants as long as he wins. How insane is that? The President is our servant and he serves at our pleasure. The Constitution provides many ways to remove a President for good reason. A criminal in that office can do immeasurable damage to the country. Personally I think Trumps's rambling mostly incoherent speech on Friday is a reason enough to consider him a candidate for the 25th amendment. I don't think I am alone in that thought either.
 
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The language is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office." A president compromised by a hostile foreign power would certainly fall into that bucket.
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"hostile foreign power"

 
iguanaman said:
Yes it seems they are claiming that a candidate can break any laws he wants as long as he wins. How insane is that? The President is our servant and he serves at our pleasure. The Constitution provides many ways to remove a President for good reason. A criminal in that office can do immeasurable damage to the country. Personally I think Trumps's rambling mostly incoherent speech on Friday is a reason enough to consider him a candidate for the 25th amendment. I don't think I am alone in that thought either.
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I just laughed at how quickly they all showed up to claim that the president couldn't be removed to circumvent an election - completely ignoring that the only person who has most to gain from stating that it would be done for this reason is the person under investigation.

It's like me saying a specific police officer cant investigate me for murder because I dated and dumped their sister.

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Hatuey said:
And you're saying you can read minds? Lol, does the president get to determine whether there is just cause to use the 25th amendment? Double down on those ridiculous reasoning powers of yours.

Come on, we know the silly conclusion you want to reach: Trump gets to determine the constitutionality of investigations and any punishment placed on him.

:)

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Given the amount of things that have been leveled at Trump for the last three years. It would be very understandable to believe, that this action isn't exactly legitimate.

Then again, someone would actually have to address that first. Instead of running from the question.
 
Oborosen said:
Given the amount of things that have been leveled at Trump for the last three years. It would be very understandable to, believe, that this action isn't exactly legitimate.

Then again, someone would actually have to address that first. Instead of running from the question.
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Again: Who gets to determine the constitutionality when measures in an amendment are applied? Is it the executive?

Go for it. Take your best shot. Use those silly powers of reasoning. Let everyone know exactly what your ideology has been leading to.

There aren't enough acrobatic movements in the world for anyone to claim the executive gets to mind read and determine the constitutionality of an amendment's application.

You know this, but you're stalling.

:)

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Hatuey said:
Again: Who gets to determine the constitutionality when measures in an amendment are applied? Is it the executive?

Go for it. Take your best shot. Use those silly powers of reasoning. Let everyone know exactly what your ideology has been leading to.

There aren't enough acrobatic movements in the world for anyone to claim the executive gets to mind read and determine the constitutionality of an amendment's application.

You know this, but you're stalling.

:)

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If all you can do is attribute motive and make vague accusations. I'll just ask someone on the thread who doesn't want to keep running from the question.

How can the 25th amendment be justified in removing a sitting president?
 
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