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Ocasio-Cortez, Joaquin Castro Plan Bill to Block Trump's Emergency Declaration

it will be fun to observe which "conservatives" support Trump's end run around congress.
 
apdst said:
I'm saying the Left wants open borders. The funding bill takes us a little closer.
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Do we have open borders now?
 
Anagram said:
I think this is likely unconstitutional after INS v. Chadha. It likely violates the Presentment Clause.
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Cortez/Castro can introduce all the bills they want to and I hope they introduce a lot of them that will be useful for campaign ads that will serve as reminders to the common sense and working class folks who don't want the kind of government tyranny and/or wrong headed theory/philosophy that people like those two propose.

Whatever bills they manage to get passed in the House still have to be passed in the Senate before they have any effect whatsoever. What are the chances that the Senate will pass a bill that undermines the President's entirely lawful action whether or not they agree that it is an appropriate action in that particular circumstance?

President Trump May Be On Solid Legal Ground Declaring An Emergency At The Border
 
nota bene said:
Many more thanks are due to Twitter. :roll:
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Her Twitter game is on point, but Fox et al are giving huge additional exposure of her platform.
 
apdst said:
Half-way open.
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Ahh, so "open borders" isn't a binary.

I guess "liberals want slightly more open borders than I do" doesn't really gin up the base.
 
Deuce said:
Ahh, so "open borders" isn't a binary.

I guess "liberals want slightly more open borders than I do" doesn't really gin up the base.
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I oppose any degree of open borders.
 
Bucky said:
Castro and Cortez... this sounds like a headline you would see in South America.
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But strangely enough, it's the moron and racist Trump who you would expect to see running a tinpot dictatorship. Hmmmm, and he's apparently trying to turn the USA into one.
 
apdst said:
I oppose any degree of open borders.
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I oppose any degree of poverty. If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
 
Superfly said:
Especially considering AOC is of Puerto Rican descent. Unfortunately, some people consider Puerto Rico as the piece of toilet paper that hangs out the back of the pants of America.
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Yup. Donald Trump, Stephen Miller, and the entire population of Trump Fan Nation.
 
 
Deuce said:
Do we have open borders now?
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This chart indicates the actual arrests and turn backs in recent years:
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That number doesn't count all those who were not apprehended at the border which some border patrol agents have said probably total more than those who are apprehended at the border.

At any rate the number is tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands every year. And a small but significant number of those will commit serious crimes, many of those doing so or intending to do so as they cross.

The numbers were far larger during the Bush 43 years in which little attention was paid to the problem. The numbers were drastically reduced in the Obama Administration that did a much better job of putting up physical barriers and stepping up apprehensions and deportations. Obama was of course aided and abetted and supported by the Democrats who now call such measures immoral and 'hating brown people.' And that of course is encouraging new groundswells of illegals who expect to be protected if they can just get in.

So yes, given the extreme length of our Southern Border and the limitation on funds and personnel to guard it all, I would say yes. We have a lot of open border now.
 
AlbqOwl said:
This chart indicates the actual arrests and turn backs in recent years:
FY19_JAN_SWB_Migration%20graphic.jpg


That number doesn't count those who have been assigned court dates and released into the general U.S. population, and that does not count all those who were not apprehended at the border which added together some border patrol agents have said probably total more than those who were apprehended at the border.

At any rate the number is tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands every year. And a small but significant number of those will commit serious crimes, many of those doing so or intending to do so as they cross.

The numbers were far larger during the Bush 43 years in which little attention was paid to the problem. The number were drastically reduced in the Obama Administration that did a much better job of putting up physical barriers and stepping up apprehensions and deportations. Obama was of course aided and abetted and supported by the Democrats who now call such measures immoral and 'hating brown people.' And that of course is encouraging new groundswells of illegals who expect to be protected if they can just get in.

So yes, given the extreme length of our Southern Border and the limitation on funds and personnel to guard it all, I would say yes. We have a lot of open border now.
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apdst says half. What's your percentage?
 
JustHanging said:
I suppose that's why Trump bases his campaign strategy on his base being largely composed of racists.


Trump’s Midterm Closing Argument: Pure Racial Fear

Trump and G.O.P. Candidates Escalate Race and Fear as Election Ploys

There is no denying he knows how to excite his base.
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Hey thanks for the reminder. Where is that skeery caravan that the GOP and Trump couldn't stop yakking about in November? i assume they're raped and murdered hundreds of my fellow Americans at this point, right?
 
AlbqOwl said:
This chart indicates the actual arrests and turn backs in recent years:


That number doesn't count all those who were not apprehended at the border which some border patrol agents have said probably total more than those who are apprehended at the border.

At any rate the number is tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands every year. And a small but significant number of those will commit serious crimes, many of those doing so or intending to do so as they cross.

The numbers were far larger during the Bush 43 years in which little attention was paid to the problem. The numbers were drastically reduced in the Obama Administration that did a much better job of putting up physical barriers and stepping up apprehensions and deportations. Obama was of course aided and abetted and supported by the Democrats who now call such measures immoral and 'hating brown people.' And that of course is encouraging new groundswells of illegals who expect to be protected if they can just get in.

So yes, given the extreme length of our Southern Border and the limitation on funds and personnel to guard it all, I would say yes. We have a lot of open border now.
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Here's another chart:
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I'm not seeing the emergency.
 
noonereal said:
She has had the worse week a freshman representative has had in the history of Congress. She needs to shut the **** up, grow up and take some basic college courses that pertain to business and government.
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NEVER HAS ANYONE represented those who elected them so poorly!
Amazon was going to pay $27 B in taxes and NY was going to reduce that by $3 B to $24 B. Now no
$24 B no jobs not nothing. There never was $3 B in cash it was a tax reduction. She's an idiot.

"Sandy" (for brains) is so sure that the 3 billion in promised Amazon tax rebates could be better spent elsewhere....
(No one told her that the rebates don't exist if Amazon isn't there. The Barkeep with an Econ "degree" couldn't
reason that out on her own either.)

Future Boston U graduates will wonder why no one wants to hire them..........
 
Deuce said:
He says the border is half open. He did not elaborate further.
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I've never done a full analysis and have no means to do so. I do know some places along the border don't need an additional barrier as the topography of the terrain serves the purpose of a physical barrier pretty well, and some remote areas haven't been laid out as routes for the groups geared up to make an assault on our border yet. But 'half' is as good a guess as anybody's when we aren't in a position to know. And pretty much the entire northern border is an open border, but we have at most a handful of folks who come into our country illegally from that direction. If that was the case at the southern border we wouldn't have an emergency.
 
Lakryte said:
Here's another chart:
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I'm not seeing the emergency.
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You don't see the invasion of 310,511 illegal people in a single year, most who have or will be found to have no claim for asylum, and God knows how many others who weren't apprehended as an emergency situation? I wonder what you would consider an emergency.
 
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