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McConnell says Trump will sign funding bill, declare a national emergency

GDViking said:
The logical argument is spending eight billion that will not stop one ounce of anything from entering the country is a waste of money and sure as **** is not a national emergency.

As for people, do you think anyone travels hundreds of miles sees a wall and like the fish that Ran into a says dam and turns around?
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Another false claim?

Won’t stop one ounce eh?
 
GDViking said:
They have been doing exactly that, trump has done everything he can to make legal crossing as difficult as possible.
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How? I haven't heard or seen any news making it difficult, beyond his rhetoric, what has he done to make it so difficult?
 
Mongidig said:
I live in Arizona. You probably live in NY. I've seen it first hand. You haven't.
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Nope live in rural Wisconsin, spent time in Arizona tho, hope to never ever go back...

I come from a farm town worked at a canning factory. I have worked In the fields, factories and for a bit migrant camps.

I got to know many migrants, yes some were assholes but I never met one that I was afraid of.

Very hard working good family people for the vast majority.
Some partied as hard as they worked,.but they were always on time (unlike me).
 
Khalix said:
Amazing how 12 Russians can influence an election and the Democrats can’t even win a rigged election.
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Oh so you admit Russians were Involved, that is a good first step.

And if you think we identified everyone you would not be even close.

But I am not going to go into all the evidence that has been made public. Any logical person would conclude that Russia, Saudis and trump fixed an American election.
 
sjmay said:
How? I haven't heard or seen any news making it difficult, beyond his rhetoric, what has he done to make it so difficult?
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Well we can start with separating families, that they even admitted was meant as a deterrent.
 
The Senate voted 83-16 on a bill that didn't include funding for Trump's wall.
Others are arguing that Trump has the authority to do as he pleases, but I argue that authority hinges on a vote, which FAILED.
I'm still waiting to see how else he has such authority, OTHER THAN declaring a national emergency, which is laughable, because there is nothing approaching a national emergency.
There's an illegal entry problem which we have a Border Patrol for, and we can hire more agents and give them better resources.
They do a good job, and this wall diverts money from resources that actually work, which they need.
They built walls where it was already feasible to do so.
Where it is not feasible to do so, they are using other resources.

But it is not a national emergency.
 
GDViking said:
Oh so you admit Russians were Involved, that is a good first step.

And if you think we identified everyone you would not be even close.

But I am not going to go into all the evidence that has been made public. Any logical person would conclude that Russia, Saudis and trump fixed an American election.
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No I do not admit it.

I just made a comparison that the democrats suck and can’t even win a rigged game.

You’re the one who thanked them for the defeat of Hillary. I am still waiting for the non existent Russian collusion evidence.
 
GDViking said:
Well we can start with separating families, that they even admitted was meant as a deterrent.
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Their families broke the law. We generally separate adults from the children in that instance.

They don’t want to be separated they should follow the legal process.
 
GDViking said:
Well we can start with separating families, that they even admitted was meant as a deterrent.
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To cross illegally, and they stopped it enforcing the policy that way,

Are you arguing that they separated families of people who entered legally and claimed asylum?

Next?
 
This is the act of a dictator, he is bypassing Congress because he didn't get what he wanted.
 
This border wall fight is a political maneuver in an attempt by democrats to win back the Presidency. A small ammount, 5.6 billion out of Trillions of dollars we spend is not much. We waste money every day in the government. A wall would help as a part of the overall border security plan.
 
Khalix said:
Another false claim?

Won’t stop one ounce eh?
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Are we actually talking about MARIJUANA?
An ounce, or even a few pounds? Are you seriously believing that marijuana is smuggled in by the pound?
Sorry mate, that stuff gets smuggled in hundreds or thousands of pounds at a time.
Persons who attempt to smuggle in a few pounds aren't working for cartels.
They're also few in number, and the weed they're bring in across the border is crap compared to what we grow right here, and comparatively worthless in that small a quantity.

Nobody pays premium prices for brown Mexican dirt weed.

By the way, the biggest DETERRENT to that has been LEGALIZATION which allows us to grow, cultivate and distribute our own.
California pot is comparable to fine French wines.
You're talking about the cross border equivalent of hobo paper bag vino.
 
Integrityrespec said:
This border wall fight is a political maneuver in an attempt by democrats to win back the Presidency. A small ammount, 5.6 billion out of Trillions of dollars we spend is not much. We waste money every day in the government. A wall would help as a part of the overall border security plan.
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Probably not. Did you notice the the Republican legislators didn't really care for a wall either?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Why not just say that you don't feel like answering the questions?
Why would you say that asking questions in an effort to find out just how far you support so called "national emergency" tactics "hyperventilating"?
They're very simple questions about major issues.

Abortion, marijuana, Social Security, veteran's health care, the EPA and the Affordable Care Act?
What's the hyperventilation factor in asking questions about those issues?
Clearly, if some people, our president included, feel that illegal immigration is a national emergency, you feel that's not hyperventilating, yes?
I would just like to know if you think that is unique or if you feel that there is leeway and validity to act on other issues.
Is there something wrong, in YOUR OPINION, with asking about that, j-mac?

Are you implying that I am suffering from some kind of mental problems?
Are you attempting to make this about me instead of addressing (or choosing not to address) the issues and questions?
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You weren't asking any questions. What you were doing is trying, and failing I might add, to get conservatives in here to denounce the President from declaring a National Emergency to get funds to build his barriers on the Southern Border, by threatening that Democrats would use NE in the future should they run into friction from the house on their pet projects....To that I say, so what's different? Democrats would do that anyway...:shrug:

Now, here is a list of the previous President's National Emergencies declared, 13 in total, 11 of which are still in effect....

"President Barack Obama

April 12, 2010: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia was in respect to threats posed by Somali pirates.

February 25, 2011: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya froze the assets of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

July 25, 2011: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Transnational Criminals was in response to the rise in crime by specific organizations: Los Zetas (Mexico), The Brothers’ Circle (former Soviet Union countries), the Yakuza (Japan), and the Camorra (Italy).

May 16, 2012: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen addressed political unrest within the Yemen government.

March 16, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine was in response to the Russian invasion of Crimea.

April 3, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan was in response to the ongoing civil war.

May 12, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic was in response to violence towards humanitarian aid workers.

March 8, 2015: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela was in response to human rights violations.

April 1, 2015: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities was in response to Chinese cyber attacks on the U.S.

Nov 23, 2015: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi was declared after a failed coup."

Here'''s a list of the 31 national emergencies that have been in effect for years - ABC News

Now tell me which one of those with the exception of maybe one, was done for the benefit of America?

President Trump has so far declared 3 NE's, this would be the fourth, and this one is absolutely for Security of American's...So, you may not like it, but he has the power to do it...
 
Jack Hays said:
Here's the wall money.

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Not gonna happen because California will use it replace the natural disaster funds he also cut, from both California AND Puerto Rico.
Send your federal troops to get it if you think you can pull it off, we'll be waiting for you.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Are we actually talking about MARIJUANA?
An ounce, or even a few pounds? Are you seriously believing that marijuana is smuggled in by the pound?
Sorry mate, that stuff gets smuggled in hundreds or thousands of pounds at a time.
Persons who attempt to smuggle in a few pounds aren't working for cartels.
They're also few in number, and the weed they're bring in across the border is crap compared to what we grow right here, and comparatively worthless in that small a quantity.

Nobody pays premium prices for brown Mexican dirt weed.

By the way, the biggest DETERRENT to that has been LEGALIZATION which allows us to grow, cultivate and distribute our own.
California pot is comparable to fine French wines.
You're talking about the cross border equivalent of hobo paper bag vino.
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Yes we were talking about marijuana

Are you seriously denying it isn’t? If someone can make money be it an ounce or pound they will.

There’s plenty of law enforcement tv that documents drug trafficking accord the border. Amazing the same shows document the ports of entry to. Both are problems but scale may be different.

And people pay for anything smokable or injectable etc. be it bottom basement or premium grade.

And it’s not legal in any state at the federal level. Decriminalized is the word I think you mean to use. But it definitely hasn’t been legalized.
 
GDViking said:
Hands down the worst president In history!!!

This creates one of the most dangerous precedents in history...
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This talking point is so retarded

Number of National Emergencies Declared by recent Presidents:

Clinton - 17

W. Bush -13

Obama - 12

Trump - 1

Plus, Obama didn't need a precedent to shove DACA down our throats
 
j-mac said:
You weren't asking any questions.
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Don't put words in my mouth.
I asked how many Trump supporters would back him up in response to national emergency declarations on the following issues:

Abortion, marijuana, EPA, Social Security, the VA, and the ACA, and the notion of canceling the 2020 elections.
Just because you don't like the questions, doesn't mean a thing, it just means you don't like the questions.
You have neither the right nor invitation to redefine my post, or my questions, ask your own.
You do you, I'll do me.
Step off, and quit being a jerk. (DBAJ)

Checkerboard Strangler said:
How many of you Trump supporters would back him up if said he was declaring abortion illegal due to "national emergency"?
All marijuana legalization laws cancelled and pot declared a major felony due to a "national emergency"
Social Security permanently suspended due to "national emergency"?
VA hospitals shut down permanently due to "national emergency"?
What about striking ALL EPA pollution regulations due to "national emergency"?
Full repeal and cancellation of all aspects of the ACA due to "national emergency?
What if he decided to cancel the 2020 elections on "national emergency" grounds?
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
Not gonna happen because California will use it replace the natural disaster funds he also cut, from both California AND Puerto Rico.
Send your federal troops to get it if you think you can pull it off, we'll be waiting for you.
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Be careful what you wish for.

 
Khalix said:
Yes we were talking about marijuana

Are you seriously denying it isn’t? If someone can make money be it an ounce or pound they will.

There’s plenty of law enforcement tv that documents drug trafficking accord the border. Amazing the same shows document the ports of entry to. Both are problems but scale may be different.

And people pay for anything smokable or injectable etc. be it bottom basement or premium grade.

And it’s not legal in any state at the federal level. Decriminalized is the word I think you mean to use. But it definitely hasn’t been legalized.
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Your post shows true ignorance of where marijuana in the states comes from.

70% is grown in California and 80% of that comes from Humboldt county.

Total and complete idiocy.
 
Khalix said:
Yes we were talking about marijuana

Are you seriously denying it isn’t? If someone can make money be it an ounce or pound they will.

There’s plenty of law enforcement tv that documents drug trafficking accord the border. Amazing the same shows document the ports of entry to. Both are problems but scale may be different.

And people pay for anything smokable or injectable etc. be it bottom basement or premium grade.

And it’s not legal in any state at the federal level. Decriminalized is the word I think you mean to use. But it definitely hasn’t been legalized.
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The scale is different, and it matters, and a few amateurs backpacking a couple of pounds of dirt weed isn't a national emergency, it's a law enforcement problem with the Border Patrol getting involved if they are illegals, big deal.

One does not inject marijuana. If you want to talk about heroin, let's talk about heroin. It's a different issue.

And pot is absolutely legal at the state level, not decriminalized...LEGAL.
The federal government is fighting a war against states to support worthless jobs for DEA pot agents, and to fill beds in private prisons, at this point. because NOTHING being done at the federal level against pot ever has or ever will get rid of it.

Legalization is a FACT, and it is coming to ALL FIFTY STATES, sooner than you think.
 
j-mac said:
You weren't asking any questions. What you were doing is trying, and failing I might add, to get conservatives in here to denounce the President from declaring a National Emergency to get funds to build his barriers on the Southern Border, by threatening that Democrats would use NE in the future should they run into friction from the house on their pet projects....To that I say, so what's different? Democrats would do that anyway...:shrug:

Now, here is a list of the previous President's National Emergencies declared, 13 in total, 11 of which are still in effect....

"President Barack Obama

April 12, 2010: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia was in respect to threats posed by Somali pirates.

February 25, 2011: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya froze the assets of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

July 25, 2011: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Transnational Criminals was in response to the rise in crime by specific organizations: Los Zetas (Mexico), The Brothers’ Circle (former Soviet Union countries), the Yakuza (Japan), and the Camorra (Italy).

May 16, 2012: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen addressed political unrest within the Yemen government.

March 16, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine was in response to the Russian invasion of Crimea.

April 3, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan was in response to the ongoing civil war.

May 12, 2014: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic was in response to violence towards humanitarian aid workers.

March 8, 2015: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela was in response to human rights violations.

April 1, 2015: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities was in response to Chinese cyber attacks on the U.S.

Nov 23, 2015: The National Emergency With Respect to Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi was declared after a failed coup."

Here'''s a list of the 31 national emergencies that have been in effect for years - ABC News

Now tell me which one of those with the exception of maybe one, was done for the benefit of America?

President Trump has so far declared 3 NE's, this would be the fourth, and this one is absolutely for Security of American's...So, you may not like it, but he has the power to do it...
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Well argued.
One has to remember that when it comes to Democratic presidents using the power of the national emergency there are different rules. Obama was granted power given by an act of congress to pronounce a national emergency when he deemed it appropriate, not once but thirteen times! The 1976 act listed NO exclusions to what constitutes a national emergency. Oh but Trump!
The hypocrisy is stunning.
 
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