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McConnell says Trump will sign funding bill, declare a national emergency

Two good links describing the complicated issue of emergency powers and national emergency


What Can a President Do During a State of Emergency? - The Atlantic

Emergency Powers | Brennan Center for Justice


Here is scenario which is technically legal according to the author based on the current law (a small part from the conclusion of the very long text in the first link)

Imagine that it’s late 2019. Trump’s approval ratings are at an all-time low. A disgruntled former employee has leaked documents showing that the Trump Organization was involved in illegal business dealings with Russian oligarchs. The trade war with China and other countries has taken a significant toll on the economy. Trump has been caught once again disclosing classified information to Russian officials, and his international gaffes are becoming impossible for lawmakers concerned about national security to ignore. A few of his Republican supporters in Congress begin to distance themselves from his administration. Support for impeachment spreads on Capitol Hill. In straw polls pitting Trump against various potential Democratic presidential candidates, the Democrat consistently wins.

Trump reacts. Unfazed by his own brazen hypocrisy, he tweets that Iran is planning a cyber operation to interfere with the 2020 election. His national-security adviser, John Bolton, claims to have seen ironclad (but highly classified) evidence of this planned assault on U.S. democracy. Trump’s inflammatory tweets provoke predictable saber rattling by Iranian leaders; he responds by threatening preemptive military strikes. Some Defense Department officials have misgivings, but others have been waiting for such an opportunity. As Iran’s statements grow more warlike, “Iranophobia” takes hold among the American public.

Proclaiming a threat of war, Trump invokes Section 706 of the Communications Act to assume government control over internet traffic inside the United States, in order to prevent the spread of Iranian disinformation and propaganda. He also declares a national emergency under ieepa, authorizing the Treasury Department to freeze the assets of any person or organization suspected of supporting Iran’s activities against the United States. Wielding the authority conferred by these laws, the government shuts down several left-leaning websites and domestic civil-society organizations, based on government determinations (classified, of course) that they are subject to Iranian influence. These include websites and organizations that are focused on getting out the vote.


Lawsuits follow. Several judges issue orders declaring Trump’s actions unconstitutional, but a handful of judges appointed by the president side with the administration. On the eve of the election, the cases reach the Supreme Court. In a 5–4 opinion written by Justice Brett Kavanaugh, the Court observes that the president’s powers are at their zenith when he is using authority granted by Congress to protect national security. Setting new precedent, the Court holds that the First Amendment does not protect Iranian propaganda and that the government needs no warrant to freeze Americans’ assets if its goal is to mitigate a foreign threat.

Protests erupt. On Twitter, Trump calls the protesters traitors and suggests (in capital letters) that they could use a good beating. When counterprotesters oblige, Trump blames the original protesters for sparking the violent confrontations and deploys the Insurrection Act to federalize the National Guard in several states. Using the Presidential Alert system first tested in October 2018, the president sends a text message to every American’s cellphone, warning that there is “a risk of violence at polling stations” and that “troops will be deployed as necessary” to keep order. Some members of opposition groups are frightened into staying home on Election Day; other people simply can’t find accurate information online about voting. With turnout at a historical low, a president who was facing impeachment just months earlier handily wins reelection—and marks his victory by renewing the state of emergency.






All the presidential actions mentioned in the above scenario are based on some of the 123 statutory powers that may become available to the president when de declares a national emergency. The links provide a more in depth analysis of these powers.
Conclusion: Following the letter and ignoring the spirit of the law provides a clear path to authoritarianism. The words of the Constitution have no power if the people themselves are not willing to defend their freedom and hold usurpers accountable.
 
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Worth pointing out: The wailing and gnashing of teeth of this supposedly unprecedented move by Trump seems to miss that it will join 31 other current, active national emergency declarations...

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How many of you Trump supporters would back him up if said he was declaring abortion illegal due to "national emergency"?
All marijuana legalization laws cancelled and pot declared a major felony due to a "national emergency"
Social Security permanently suspended due to "national emergency"?
VA hospitals shut down permanently due to "national emergency"?
What about striking ALL EPA pollution regulations due to "national emergency"?
Full repeal and cancellation of all aspects of the ACA due to "national emergency?
What if he decided to cancel the 2020 elections on "national emergency" grounds?
Better get a paper bag, you're hyperventilating....

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Two good links describing the complicated issue of emergency powers and national emergency

All the presidential actions mentioned in the above scenario are based on some of the 123 statutory powers that may become available to the president when de declares a national emergency. The links provide a more in depth analysis of these powers.
Conclusion: Following the letter and ignoring the spirit of the law provides a clear path to authoritarianism. The words of the Constitution have no power if the people themselves are not willing to defend their freedom and hold usurpers accountable.

Well, to the Brennan Center for Justice :)roll:) I say: Duh.

I mean, is it news to anyone that the president has had the power to declare martial law forever?
 
How many of you Trump supporters would back him up if said he was declaring abortion illegal due to "national emergency"?
All marijuana legalization laws cancelled and pot declared a major felony due to a "national emergency"
Social Security permanently suspended due to "national emergency"?
VA hospitals shut down permanently due to "national emergency"?
What about striking ALL EPA pollution regulations due to "national emergency"?
Full repeal and cancellation of all aspects of the ACA due to "national emergency?
What if he decided to cancel the 2020 elections on "national emergency" grounds?

OMG!! Nobody has EVER declared a National Emergency before! What will we doooooooo!!!

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Worth pointing out: The wailing and gnashing of teeth of this supposedly unprecedented move by Trump seems to miss that it will join 31 other current, active national emergency declarations...

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Worth pointing out

Trump’s Face-Saving Way Out of Crisis Raises Fears Over Rule of Law - The New York Times

While presidents in the modern era have declared dozens of emergencies to address various problems, none has been remotely as disputed as the one Mr. Trump is contemplating. Mr. Banks said he had found no examples of a lawsuit in which someone tried to challenge the factual basis for a president’s determination that an emergency existed, leaving scant guideposts for what courts might do with any legal challenge.

Apparently you miss the point...
 
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Worth pointing out

Trump’s Face-Saving Way Out of Crisis Raises Fears Over Rule of Law - The New York Times

While presidents in the modern era have declared dozens of emergencies to address various problems, none has been remotely as disputed as the one Mr. Trump is contemplating. Mr. Banks said he had found no examples of a lawsuit in which someone tried to challenge the factual basis for a president’s determination that an emergency existed, leaving scant guideposts for what courts might do with any legal challenge.

Apparently you miss the point...

The reason they see it as "most disputed" is that their left wing rag gave a blank check to Obama on presidential overreach. "EO for DACA? You go, Mr. President!!" :roll:

I mean, take Obama's "national emergecy" declaration that he used on April 12, 2010 to block assets of people contributing to the war in Somalia (EO 13536)... can you tell me how the war in Somalia constituted a national emergency in the US?

Or EO 13611 (pdf) where Obama declared a National Emergency to block assets because of... the war in Yemen?

Obama did this 7 times during his presidency... not a peep.
 
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Heh, and NYT with the logical fallacy. The reason they see it as "most disputed" is that they left wing rag gave a blank check to Obama on presidential overreach. "EO for DACA? You go, Mr. President!!" :roll:

I mean, take Obama's "national emergecy" declaration that he used on April 12, 2010 to block assets of people contributing to the war in Somalia... can you tell me how the war in Somalia constituted a national emergency in the US?

An EO on DACA is not the same as declaring "national emergency"

As for Somalia, I do not recall the intelligence chiefs of the time contradicting the president. On the other hand, with the case in the southern border, we see a disconnect even within the executive branch

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...24486280311_story.html?utm_term=.d0fae8d9358e

None of the officials said there is a security crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border, where Trump has considered declaring a national emergency so that he can build a wall.
 
Holy hell, you are like a dog with a bone,

Question, did you actually catch Hatuey saying that Trump's border security policy is based on what Democrats have done in the past? If you didn't, might wanna do that first, because you both can't be right on that, either it is, or it isn't.

As far as Democrats voting to fund barriers/walls/fences/daisies, could care less what you call it, you can dress up with it and call it snowflakes......you said it yourself, there is 700 miles of fencing already built.....democrats voted for that, you realize that right? So, they voted for it before....but now...because it's Trump...and politics in general is more my side vs other side, they are voting against it,

No one on earth, hopefully, believes that it was going to be 1,000 miles of concrete wall, you like to spout that because that's a helluva sound bite, (that's another interesting thought, why are you worried about spouting off sound bites in a message forum)

You are taking his words from a campaign, and stump speech, and using them like they are the be all end all of what was 2 years ago, Let's say holy crap, you were right, he wanted 1,000 miles of concrete wall 50 feet tall, decked with barbed wire and machine guns.....are you saying that he couldn't possibly have deviated from that? That he couldn't have rounded out his thinking and evolved his policy?

Sounds like you are saying that...

When you lie, as you just did, you make your posts nothing but lies.

Half of the Democrats in the Senate voted for it.

H.R. 6061 (109th): Secure Fence Act of 2006 -- GovTrack.us

Most of the Democrats in the House voted against it. Including House Leader Nancy Pelosi.

H.R. 6061 (109th): Secure Fence Act of 2006 -- GovTrack.us

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An EO on DACA is not the same as declaring "national emergency"

As for Somalia, I do not recall the intelligence chiefs of the time contradicting the president. On the other hand, with the case in the southern border, we see a disconnect even within the executive branch

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...24486280311_story.html?utm_term=.d0fae8d9358e

None of the officials said there is a security crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border, where Trump has considered declaring a national emergency so that he can build a wall.

Heh, and by "contradicting" you mean, not contradicting? The contradiction is a falsehood create by the author of that piece. Where did they contradict Trump?
 
Yes. Which he did not have authority to do, as even he admitted, before he did it.

However, the question wasn't over the Wall Emergency, but rather over whether Trump decided to radically expand the power of the Presidency. That is comparable to Obama's doing so, and why I drew the comparison.

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So let's take Obama out of the conversation, because you agreed he didn't declare a fake national emergency to deal with DACA. We aren't talking about the same thing.

There is no national emergency at the border. This is Trump trying to fulfill a campaign promise.
 
When you lie, as you just did, you make your posts nothing but lies.

Half of the Democrats in the Senate voted for it.

H.R. 6061 (109th): Secure Fence Act of 2006 -- GovTrack.us

Most of the Democrats in the House voted against it. Including House Leader Nancy Pelosi.

H.R. 6061 (109th): Secure Fence Act of 2006 -- GovTrack.us

We recommend knowing facts when posting on DP.

So when he said "democrats voted for" it you call it a "lie" and prove that by showing that... democrats voted for it.

You realize that you post, not theirs, is the lie?
 
So let's take Obama out of the conversation, because you agreed he didn't declare a fake national emergency to deal with DACA. We aren't talking about the same thing.

There is no national emergency at the border. This is Trump trying to fulfill a campaign promise.

Why take Obama out of the conversation when he declared 7 "national emergencies" related to foreign wars that were not national emergencies?

Can you tell me how the war in Yemen, Somalia or Ukraine, for example, are or were national emergencies? If they were, why can't we declare the declining state of central America or the rise of the drug cartels a "national emergency"?
 
So when he said "democrats voted for" it you call it a "lie" and prove that by showing that... democrats voted for it.

You realize that you post, not theirs, is the lie?
Sometimes I think she posts things just so she can get her passive aggressive snark out there....

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Heh, and by "contradicting" you mean, not contradicting? The contradiction is a falsehood create by the author of that piece. Where did they contradict Trump?

When the intelligence Chiefs do not mention any security concerns at the borders, this contradicts Trump's narrative

By contrast, since you mentioned Obama's EO 13611 using emergency Powers against Yemen....

The date of the EO 13611 is May 16, 2012

Now pay attention to the dates mentioned in the next link

Why The U.S. Is Aggressively Targeting Yemen : NPR




May 16, 2012 4:49 PM ET


U.S. intelligence officials announced last week that they had broken up a plan by al-Qaida's affiliate in Yemen to blow up a plane headed toward the United States.[I][/I]
 
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So when he said "democrats voted for" it you call it a "lie" and prove that by showing that... democrats voted for it.

You realize that you post, not theirs, is the lie?

My post is a lie? Really. Show me how it's a lie since most Democrats didn't vote for it, including Nancy Pelosi.
 
Why take Obama out of the conversation when he declared 7 "national emergencies" related to foreign wars that were not national emergencies?

Can you tell me how the war in Yemen, Somalia or Ukraine, for example, are or were national emergencies? If they were, why can't we declare the declining state of central America or the rise of the drug cartels a "national emergency"?

You have to ask Obama those questions. Why are you asking me? I'm not Obama.

We don't have a national emergency at the border. Illegal immigration is at a decades low number.

Why weren't you screaming about the national emergency for the last 2 years on this board, insisting we had one and bemoaning the fact that the GOP didn't declare one? Because you also didn't think it was a national emergency, until President Jim Jones didn't get his big beautiful border wall money, and you realized Mexico wasn't going to pay for it, like he promised you.
 
So much for separation of powers.

This move, like Harry Reid's move to obliterate normal rules in the Senate, will come back to destroy the Republicans.

This is an egregious move that is a disgusting and vulgar display of power.
 
The reason they see it as "most disputed" is that their left wing rag gave a blank check to Obama on presidential overreach. "EO for DACA? You go, Mr. President!!" :roll:

I mean, take Obama's "national emergecy" declaration that he used on April 12, 2010 to block assets of people contributing to the war in Somalia (EO 13536)... can you tell me how the war in Somalia constituted a national emergency in the US?

Or EO 13611 (pdf) where Obama declared a National Emergency to block assets because of... the war in Yemen?

Obama did this 7 times during his presidency... not a peep.

Because those were terrorist hot spots and he cut off the funding to terrorists. Those made sense.

We have gone centuries without this wall, and we are at a decades low level of border crossings.
We don't need to waste money on a problem that is receding not expanding.

Its a waste of money to create an emergency, then spend billions on a crisis that does not exist...
 
I love it, just another notch in the "Republicans will never have any high ground" belt. The epitome of hypocrisy. They constantly went on and on about Obama and his executive oders. president can't have that power, and they let Trump do nothing but executive orders that gets tied up in courts.

I can't wait until the dems declare climate change a national emergency (which is a real, actual threat), or how about another real emergency, the insane amount of gun violence we have> or better yet, pull funding from red states or FEMA to red state areas to pay for their pet projects.

republicans and their supporter, permanently earning a seat on the STFU ship. They have showed they are nothing but giant phony hypocrites, so next time you want to whine about something a dem does, STFU, you have no credibility
 
I have to hand it to him, his idiocy is often unforeseeable.

The most amazing thing is not tha tTrump is an idiot, its how big of partisan hacks republicans are. They are so firmly in the pocket of their rich donors, who trump is pretty much giving the entire country and treasury away to, that they are actually supporting the worst president ever. McConnel is the biggest scumbag ever
 
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Oh you're so full of it.

Here are the 28 active national emergencies - CNNPolitics

There are currently 28 active national emergencies.
ZERO have been declared by Trump so far.
The mulatto savior, Obama enacted 13.

So don't say dopy crap.

“Mulatto savior”? Classy as always, Buzz.


How many of those emergencies were declared because the president couldn’t secure funding for his useless vanity project?
 
Because those were terrorist hot spots and he cut off the funding to terrorists. Those made sense.

We have gone centuries without this wall, and we are at a decades low level of border crossings.
We don't need to waste money on a problem that is receding not expanding.

Its a waste of money to create an emergency, then spend billions on a crisis that does not exist...

Yep,

I even gave him the link with the CIA discovering a plot in Yemen to blow up a plane coming to the US. This was just a week before Obama's action to use Emergency Powers
 
Overall this seems like a lose-lose move for Republicans. Democrats are guaranteed to challenge the emergency declaration in court. If the courts decide Trump can't do this, it's another embarrassing black eye for Trump and the Republican party. If the courts decide it's okay, then that opens up the doors for future Democratic presidents to declare national emergencies to deal with similar "slow burn" issues like gun violence or climate change.

I'm kind of surprised we aren't seeing more Republicans outspokenly against this idea, especially given how little most of them seem to care about Trump's wall.
 
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